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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
OrchidInTheSun · 10/03/2019 11:18

If he genuinely cared about you and was completely unselfish, you wouldn't be in this position. He's telling you who he is but you're not listening.

You're a fool if you marry him.

poppingoff · 10/03/2019 11:20

genuinely cares about me, is completely unselfish and is a really confident, genuine guy.

He obviously cares more about himself, there's no denying he is selfish, and he pleads poverty yet has money for clubbing and take away. I'm struggling to see how that's a genuine guy?

flowery · 10/03/2019 11:21

”To be fair to the DP, he can't give you money he doesn't have. The odd £50 here and there isn't enough, but you say that is all he has. I certainly wouldn't be saving for a wedding that meant that I didn't have a single penny to spend.”

This. A wedding which requires either or both of you to take on second or third jobs to pay for it and makes the odd night out completely unaffordable is not a wedding you can afford.

Itssosunny · 10/03/2019 11:25

Just cancel the wedding and have something small instead. It will save you lots of money and take pressure from your relationship.

DawgLover · 10/03/2019 11:26

Based on your update I would also cancel the wedding, and suggest he moves back to his parents (if they'll have him) to save money and pay off his debts. He should contact either CAP, his local CAB or Stepchange to get some help in terms of managing his repayments and financial advice - even if he's meeting the monthly minimum he may be able to find an interest free offer that allows him to pay off bigger chunks.

That aside, his promises to you have resulted in no sacrifice from him, lead to you taking a loan from your father and working a second job to cover the funds he said he would give you but has not - that would be a dealbreaker for me. These are not the actions of an unselfish caring guy. He's happy for you to stretch yourself instead of getting a Saturday job and thats very revealing about him and his priorities.

FizzyGreenWater · 10/03/2019 11:37

obviously I am looking for a positive outcome

THIS is what is going to be your undoing.

You want him to be what you have him as in your head, and he's just not that. He may be overall a nice guy who you have a good relationship with in an everyday sense, but he is NOT unselfish, he is NOT in fact genuine and he is NOT, NOT, NOT the kind of man you should marry if you want a happy life.

Make no mistake - the worst thing you can ever do is make excuses for financial instability. It is not only a sure-fire marriage killer, it's a one-way ticket to a shit life in every other respect, even after you leave him. This guy will bleed you dry.

He is playing you like a bloody violin, and you need to wake up and see it. He's soooo upset about his finances, and so unselfish... but he's happy to weasel out of payments he'd promised to make and then go clubbing and blow cash on himself. THAT ISN'T UNSELFISH, IT IS 100% SELFISH, CALCULATING USER. But hey, afterwards he will cry if you bring it up... because he's soooo not manipulative at all...

And this on top of him pushing for more wedding spend? He HASN'T changed from what you've managed to frame as his wayward teenage phase. This IS HIM. He's still doing it. Blowing cash on himself and making false promises. Not paying debts and sponging off other people.

Yes he sounds a nice guy overall. That does not make up for this issue.

Yes, if you marry him you are in for a life of fucking misery and hardship and you will eventually grow to hate him and really regret ending up in a bad financial position because of him even though you're a hard worker yourself.

If you have kids it will be AWFUL.

You will split because of money.

You've had over 200 responses on here all saying the same thing.

If you go ahead with this you are an absolute fool.

SandAndSea · 10/03/2019 11:39

I met a young man not that long ago and got chatting to him. He told me that he and his girlfriend wanted to move in together, but he couldn't because he'd stupidly (his word) got into debt as a teenager (much like your DF I imagine). He was now working hard to clear the debt so that he could move on with his life. He reckoned he had another couple of years to go and then they'd be able to get a place together. Tbh, I was really impressed with him.

The problem here is not that your DF got into debt as a teenager. (Shit happens!) The problem is with how he is dealing with it now and the impact it is having and will continue to have, on you.

I think you both could benefit from living apart for a period of time. Let him get on his feet before you take this any further.

MyOtherProfile · 10/03/2019 11:40

He promised he could pay half, even if it meant taking another job.

So what's he doing about getting another job?

UnspiritualHome · 10/03/2019 11:40

His debt is down to teenage bad decisions

Why not adult bad decisions, like going out clubbing when he can't afford it, and pushing for a bigger wedding when he can't or won't contribute to the cost?

SeeYouLaterUserData · 10/03/2019 11:45

He's simply not ready or willing to commit to the notion of an equal partnership. Breaking off an engagement is hard (I've done it myself) but would allow him the chance to prove his suitability as a life partner if that's what the end goal is for you both.

His actions thus far suggest he doesn't take that very seriously so I'd definitely not proceed with marriage under the current circumstances.

Nanny0gg · 10/03/2019 11:47

What is your house situation? Is it jointly owned? Is he paying anything towards it?

You must cancel the wedding.

FinallyHere · 10/03/2019 11:54

useless if he doesn’t listen.

Really, they are pointless unless you follow through. If you carry on with this, this is what your life will be .

You will sacrifice and pay, he will ... go clubbing. Look at the sunken costs fallacy. The money you loose cancelling the wedding is the cost of not being stuck with him for the rest of your life. The earlier you get rid of him, the better your life will be.

Oh, and set the minimum bar at someone who can talk about things and take responsibility.

Dirtybadger · 10/03/2019 11:57

Does he have a 2nd job now? If not he needs to get off his arse and sort it. He only need to do a few hours a couple of times a week in the evening or a Saturday at the local shop. Or something equally low stress where he doesn't take any work home with him. Minimum wage 5 or 6 hours a week is sustainable in the medium term to make a bigger dent into his debt. And he needs advice, as a previous poster suggested, to help him manage them.

It's a bit worrying he hasn't bothered to do any of those things.

Do you own the house? Could you sell it without losing money? He can use any money from (his 50%) of the sale to pay off his debts. Then start saving all the money he was previously paying towards those debts back towards building a deposit again. Admit what's happened to his dad (who he was living with before presumably?) and postpone the wedding.

Don't get married if he is likely to create further debt which you'll be liable to paying.

Bottom line is you would be bonkers to get married right now. And double bonkers to have anything but a bare minimum wedding. You can't afford it, and he certainly can't.

TillyTheTiger · 10/03/2019 12:01

My Nan gave me some very good advice when I was single and looking for a partner. She said choosing someone to marry is the most important decision you will ever make in your life, and the two values that you absolutely must share are a) how to manage money and b) wanting children or not. Very wise woman.

BreevandercampLGJ · 10/03/2019 12:06

When poverty comes in at the door, love flies out of the window.

bengalcat · 10/03/2019 12:11

How do you two own the house - if you split will his father want his investment/deposit back ?

goldengummybear · 10/03/2019 12:13

How long until he's paid his debts?

You need to cancel the wedding. If you still want to marry (I think you'll be crazy to) then it needs to be a cheap registry office do. You can't afford more.

He doesn't want to discuss finances with you. Major red flag. He allows you and his Dad to finance his wreckless ways. When his debts are paid off do you think he'll pay you back or will he go clubbing more often and rack up the debt again? Financially I think you're very incompatible and I think that you'll be very resentful not to be able to take maternity leave should you decide to have kids. What would he do if you became too ill to work?

BoomTish · 10/03/2019 12:14

genuinely cares about me

He doesn’t even care about you enough to give you a nice wedding day.

frazzledasarock · 10/03/2019 12:17

Don't marry him fgs!

You marry him half your assets are his and half his debts are yours!

You’d be insane to become financially linked to someone who has no concept of money management.

Don’t do it.

I wouldn’t even remain in a relationship with him in your shoes.

goldengummybear · 10/03/2019 12:18

He won't help because it's not a priority for him and he's clearly happy with you paying. 🚩

tararabumdeay · 10/03/2019 12:21

Quote from pp fizzy"..if you marry him you are in for a life of fucking misery and hardship and you will eventually grow to hate him and really regret ending up in a bad financial position because of him even though you're a hard worker yourself."

Wish I'd known that when I was 25. Now, years later, it's all true.

He didn't change. When he got 'his' inheritance it went on cars, bikes and some dodgy family property investments which we never saw a bean from (though his family did). We're now penniless, even though I've always had a good job it all goes on rent and bills, and we have nothing to be able to help our grown up DCs get on the ladder.

When he was working he was out every night and getting housekeeping out of him was a constant nag. He hasn't worked since the blown inheritance and lives entirely for free - off me.

BlackCatSleeping · 10/03/2019 12:22

I think you've had a lot of advice on this thread and it all must be quite overwhelming.

My last thought is that words are easy and words are cheap. Anyone can say that they are going to do x, y and z, but actually doing it is a different thing altogether.

If you want to see what kind of man he really is, look at his actions not his words.

Happynow001 · 10/03/2019 12:24

OP sounds like only one of you (You!) is properly invested in this relationship, wedding planning/financing. Words are cheap - positive actions and both of you being realistic are better.

You are the one dipping into savings (he has none), taking a second job, borrowing from your father (really a bad idea taking on more debt for one day when there'll be so many days after where you will need financial stability - eg when you have a child and on maternity leave and after, when you need to reduce your work hours and/or pay for childcare and everything else.

The one financial positive I can see at the moment is that you are NOT yet married as yes you will take on his current and future debt once married.

Do please give yourself some breathing space and, if you don't want to cancel outright for now, at the very least postpone the wedding for at least a year whilst you BOTH sit down and work this through. Be honest with yourself and with him. I hear you love him but, frankly, love does not pay the bills or help you sleep at night because you are so worried about how you can clear your debts.

Good luck OP - I hope you are brave enough to make the sensible decision.

losingfaith · 10/03/2019 12:25

he is currently prioritising other things such as clubbing over honouring a promise he made to you to pay 50% wedding costs and makes you feel bad if you ask him to contribute.

Apologies if anyone has already said this, but what happens when you have a baby and are on mat leave? You've already established his assurances cannot be relied upon.

To be honest at the very least I'd be postponing the wedding and likely cancelling it. You need an equal not a dead weight who isn't prepared to help dragging you down.

Notcoolmum · 10/03/2019 12:28

I don’t really care how much money my imaginary partner may or may. It have. But what strikes me from your post is that you aren’t working together. You don’t want the same things. You are working to pay for a wedding and he isn’t motivated at all by this. That would upset me greatly

I think you should call off or postpone the wedding. It sounds like the wedding plans are steam rolling ahead and I don’t think it’s the right thing for either of you. Or should be your priority. Work on your relationship and out getting married on the back burner.