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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
WhoKnewBeefStew · 10/03/2019 09:32

He will bleed you dry.

You’ll marry him
He’ll continue in this current financial vein
You’ll get so pissed off having to be the adult and pay for everything
You’ll divorce him
He’ll swan off with half of all your hard earned money

Tighnabruaich · 10/03/2019 09:41

I wouldn’t say your love is blinding you, as you can clearly see the problem. But you must look ahead. Will you be paying for all the baby things, will you be able to afford a decent maternity leave, holidays, etc etc? I think resentment would build and build and kill your love. It’s a hard decision.

LadyB49 · 10/03/2019 09:45

I can add nothing to the above posts. They are very wise.

Love will turn to resentment which could turn to hatred.

Don't worry what folk might think because you cancel a wedding.

You must take care of your own future. Your partner certainly will not.partner

Do not marry this man. He is irresponsible.
You will live in misery and mistrust.

Dvg · 10/03/2019 09:45

Could you imagine having kids with this man? Is he going to make you pay for all of there toys or clothes or furniture or everything else? Sorry but I wouldn't be marrying someone like him, it seems like he has it good, he gets to just sit back and have his wife/fiance sort out everything.

It's embarrassing that he is so okay with your dad paying more than him..

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/03/2019 09:45

Adding my voice to the hundreds of others. Cancel the wedding, end the relationship and recoup whatever money you can from the house. You're 25, there are so many opportunities open to you - please don't commit to carrying a dead weight around with you.

Purplecatshopaholic · 10/03/2019 09:47

This may be Scots law rather than English but, bear in mind if you marry him, regardless of whether he contributed if (when) you split, financially he will be entitled to half the property and half your pension.... take it from one who knows ....

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/03/2019 09:53

Just reread your first post. . He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. ** So basically his contribution to the house has been living it it? And his contribution to the wedding will be turning up. If you have a child his contribution will be ejaculating.

seven201 · 10/03/2019 09:58

When you booked the wedding and set a budget how did you agree to save for it? It doesn't sound like you had a proper discussion about how the wedding was going to be paid for. He does sound pretty shit though. If you give an ultimatum you need to mean it. Ask him to move out for a few weeks while you think about things and then take time to decide if you do want to be with him. Doesn't sound like he'll ever change.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/03/2019 10:00

When you are in love, even if you can clearly see the problem, the whole culture of Love Conquers All tends to sway you into giving the person that you love the benefit of the doubt.
But given the problems you are facing, I think that Limpshade was completely right.
You are taking over the job of caring for him from his parents. He will be your eldest child and won't have to grow up because you are there to bail him out with love and support. That can be satisfying and you may feel like you are being a kind and loving partner. But that is just it. You won't be partners and you will always have to be the Adult in this relationship and that is not going to be good for either of you. It really isn't.
I can understand that everything falls back on his situation. He has no room for manoever - not enough money left over after outgoings and debt to realisically make any contribution. The question is, if it wasn't for his financial situation... would things be any different? Or would he still expect you to be the Adult?
At the same time, it doesn't seem like asking for much to have a night out and its hard for you to deny that - even though it just makes the situation worse in real terms and puts more pressure on you making you be the sensible one whilst he is the "spontaneous" one. Have you heard of Mary and Martha. Mary had all the fun at parties whilst Martha did all the work. Do you want to be cast in the role of Martha for the next 30 years?
. Can you see how that is only going to get worse as time goes on? You can make these sacrifices at the moment because you love him and of course Love Conquers All. ?
If he really wants to sort things out.. he wouldn't just give up. He would go and see a debt councillor to see if he can find a way of sorting it all out. He could speak to his father and ask for help (even if its just advice) but most off the top of the head advice about debt is useless.. A debt councillor which he takes the responsibility for and actually makes the appointment and has the conversations with ..
If he can do that.. he will be more able to have a conversation with you. He could look for another job, ask for a pay rise, apply for better jobs within his company, take an evening bar job as both my husband and I did in the run up to our wedding/flat purchase. He does have more options but he's just given up and is waiting for someone to save him from his situation. In the meantime you are thinking of taking a 3rd job and have already used all your savings and pay for everything because for no effort on his part, his dad contributed to your deposit.. so that means he needs to contribute nothing and this is held over your head to make you continue to pay for everything. Its not right and it is definately not a partnership. What is he? a Silent investor/shareholder.. would you want to run a business on that basis?

I also think you should both go for pre wedding councilling. Sometimes it is an eye opener.
I won't say cancel your wedding, we don't know all the ins and outs of your relationship.... postpone maybe.. but recognise that the wedding is a deadline that you are zooming in less than 3 months (3 paydays) towards and will inevitably cost more than you expect.
So he needs to discuss it. I'd make an appointment for him to see a debt councillor and take it from there. See how he reacts to that. But with a June wedding you both need to make some decisions soon.Good luck xx

gassylady · 10/03/2019 10:04

Actually ultimatums are only useless if you are not serious about carrying them out!! (Rather than him not listening) This isn’t about whether you are willing to pay for the wedding this is about whether you are willing to pay for everything forever. Defer the wedding better to perhaps lose some money now than all your money later. There are a couple of secret debt threads running at the moment check them out and see into your future

Bananalanacake · 10/03/2019 10:05

Why do you have to marry him. If you like him you can have a relationship and live separately. I don't understand the desperation to combine lives and finances.

BloomsButtons · 10/03/2019 10:07

If he is so poor with money, and you are very aware of that, why have you chosen to have a costly wedding? Wouldn't a lower key wedding made more sense?

Personally I wouldn't be going ahead with the wedding.

MadeForThis · 10/03/2019 10:08

He can't afford a wedding. He won't be able to afford a baby.

Who will pay for holidays, Christmas presents, house repairs?

He only has a small amount of money left each month and is presumably still accruing debts, at least to family members.

Is this likely to change? Is he retraining or on a career path to earn more?

He clearly doesn't prioritise the wedding. Probably because he knows that ultimately you will pay for it. Even if you do moan a bit.

Figgygal · 10/03/2019 10:08

Does he actually want to get married ?

His lack of investment in the wedding speaks volumes!!

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/03/2019 10:15

You are taking over the job of caring for him from his parents. And by contributing the house deposit they've basically paid you to take him off their hands. They know he's not going to change.

Feb2018mumma · 10/03/2019 10:15

Have a small cheap wedding, don't spend more than you have. If he only offers £100 then you can have a registery office wedding which is around £400? If he prefers a night out to a big wedding, that's the man you are marrying and you will need to leave or make your peace with it. It is honestly not worth getting into debt over. My wedding cost 10,000 altogether I think and wiped my savings, I loved the day but it was ONE DAY, such a waste of money I could now have had and spent on my son and our future, whenever I am running out of money I think back and regret spending so much!

frenchknitting · 10/03/2019 10:16

Cancel the wedding, because you simply can't afford it.

To be fair to the DP, he can't give you money he doesn't have. The odd £50 here and there isn't enough, but you say that is all he has. I certainly wouldn't be saving for a wedding that meant that I didn't have a single penny to spend.

You also don't say how he ran up the credit card debt and overdraft. It makes a massive difference whether it is due to unemployment/gambling/due poor money management.

If you want to be a partnership with this man, it would mean cancelling the wedding, a cheap registry office do, and channelling all your money into clearing his debt.

Or if you would resent that, or think he would run up debts again and this would be your life, then walk away now.

jamiecooks · 10/03/2019 10:18

I wouldn’t marry him. Do you want kids? If so, how is he ever going to be responsible enough to ensure he helps with all they need? It’s a lot for you to be carrying by yourself.

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/03/2019 10:30

Feb2018mumma

I think the op has bigger problems than the size of the wedding.

Even you are saying that he couldn’t even be bothered to save and pay his half of a £400 wedding.

Holidayshopping · 10/03/2019 10:35

He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. So basically his contribution to the house has been living it it? And his contribution to the wedding will be turning up. If you have a child his contribution will be ejaculating.

I have to say, I agree!

OP-don’t marry this man.

WelcomeToShootingStars · 10/03/2019 10:35

What is his debt from? Has he actively participated in the planning of the wedding, and thus the build up of costs?

Do you not think it'd be a better use of money to get married if you feel the desire to be married in a low key way and channel the money to paying off the debt instead??

Honestly, neither of you sound particularly great with money, or living to within your means. I wouldn't want to tie myself to someone like that.

snowone · 10/03/2019 10:56

Why are you having a wedding if you can't afford it?? If you love each other as much as you say you do then surely a registry office marriage for £250 would suffice?

Me and DH has the smallest, most intimate wedding we could, followed by a small 'night do' to which we invited extended family and close friends.

It was perfect and cost us much less than any other wedding package we could find.

dontdoxmeeither · 10/03/2019 11:10

Yup. I'd cut my losses and run. You're being given a clear picture of how your life with him will pan out.

You will pay for everything, he'll rely on the fact you've overlooked it so far because you love him, he'll take full advantage, get further in debt, you'll spend more, save nothing, eventually see the light, divorce, end up with less than nothing other than a gorgeous child/children, not be able to afford much house wise so end up in goodnesses knows where working your arse off to provide while wishing you'd listened years ago. He will walk with nothing of his own, half of yours, less responsibility, meet someone else who'll swallow his sob story that his ex wife took him for all that he had and find another lodge for his cock. The end.

CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 11:12

Thank you everybody for your responses. I must say, I’m taken aback by the unanimous decision but I think that says a lot! I appreciate every one of you who are concerned and have put the time into helping.

Perhaps I was too quick to post the original thread and should have put some more info in there. I’m not editing to make excuses for him - although obviously I am looking for a positive outcome - but aside from finances, he’s genuinely the best partner I could ask for. He works incredibly hard at his job, genuinely cares about me, is completely unselfish and is a really confident, genuine guy.

That being said, this is all contradicted when money comes into the picture. His debt is down to teenage bad decisions (new car, when I was saving. Drinking, when I was working hard). We didn’t know each other then, so it’s not my business. But the repercussions of his bad decisions are now my problem - but he won’t accept my help. He’s embarrassed about his immature decisions at 18.

He sees his debts as ‘unavoidable’ now - part of his life. To be fair to him, although he’s not making an effort to come out of his overdraft, he is keeping above water and paying his long term debts at the same time as still enjoying his life. I love that he can do both. I genuinely want him to be happy!

However, our joint ventures are not part of his equation, despite him proposing, wanting the wedding this year, and wanting a medium sized wedding despite me being openly worried about him affording it. He promised he could pay half, even if it meant taking another job. His intentions seemed great.

He’s not kept up with that promise. Now I am left with the decision that you at MumsNet have been kindly advising on - find someone in a better financial situation, or try and find a way to get round his block to it and discuss this with him, whether it’s councilling, or taking the wedding out of his hands and postponing/cancelling it, but maintain our relationship.

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MadeForThis · 10/03/2019 11:17

You need to have an honest look at his finances. You need to understand exactly how much debt he has and ensure he is prioritising paying the right ones. Can the debt be moved to lower/zero interest?

If he really is perfect then the finances can be fixed. As long as he is willing to stop ignoring the problem.

The wedding might need to be postponed. You can only decide this after you understand his finances.

He needs to face up to the situation he is in. It's not fair to you to have to support him indefinitely.