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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
Itssosunny · 10/03/2019 09:04

OP, don't marry him!!!

NannyRed · 10/03/2019 09:04

Over 140 messages and not one person telling you this wedding is a good idea!

I don’t think I need to weigh in too.

Flowers Wine it’s going to be hard CambridgeKat25 but marrying the manchild you love and then having balliffes coming knocking or divorce will be even harder.

I do hope you’ve read all the replies. Show them to your fiancé too and say it’s why you’re moving out and cancelling your wedding.

sonjadog · 10/03/2019 09:06

This is a situation where you really have to look at what he is doing more than what he is saying. He is saying all the right things to keep you on his side and supporting him, while he is doing exactly what he wants. Him getting too upset to talk about it is bollocks. It´s just a way to keep you off his back.

Itssosunny · 10/03/2019 09:07

I have known a few families who didn't have a big wedding just went to a registar and a restaurant after that for a meal.

diddl · 10/03/2019 09:07

" I completely love him "

But look at how he treats you.

LazyLizzy · 10/03/2019 09:07

Why on earth are you having a wedding that you can't afford?

He must resent you for all this. He is skint, you are both so financially out of kilter. But hey, let's have a big wedding. I don't get why on earth it would be a priority.

I have seen this before, the dad ended up paying for everything. The fiance felt more and more inadequate so rebelled and drank a lot, while the bride just wanted her 'big day'.

YogaDrone · 10/03/2019 09:08

If he really wanted to deal with this he would sit down with you and ask you to help him manage his money. He hasn't. I agree with everyone else that you should cancel the wedding. If you don't feel strong enough to do that then at least postpone it indefinitely.

I have a friend whose partner is awful with money. Difference is that he acknowledged it. He pays his salary into their joint account but doesn't have internet access, a credit card or even a debit card. Despite being named on the account he effectively has no access to it and this is by choice.

My friend gives him an amount of money each week for spending in cash (they have the same before anyone accuses her of financial abuse!)

They've been together 20+ years and it works for them but many would just say it's controlling behaviour. I couldn't live like this, but then I'm not financially irresponsible.

If you suggested that you control all money/spends/outgoings how would your partner react? I think that will be a litmus test.

BoomTish · 10/03/2019 09:10

He’s manipulating you. I bet he tells you’re nagging him about money and he deflects conversations with those accusations, and by crying.

Cut him loose before he sinks you.

XXcstatic · 10/03/2019 09:11

You only have one life. You only have one youth. Don't throw them away on this man.

JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth · 10/03/2019 09:12

I have debts, I've pushed to get a high salary job to pay them back. My dh has done the same, secured a new job after lots of interviews. What has your fiance done to improve your circumstances?

Rosenspants · 10/03/2019 09:12

Even if you decide to take full control of finances there will always be a trust issue, and that is not a basis for a successful relationship. He’s got holes in his pockets, or he’s gambling or both. Any love you may have for him will die under the pressure that this puts on you. Take it from one who has been there. Leave him, he won’t change, and find a kind, responsible partner who has a similar attitude to finances as you. Harden yourself to the complaints and tears. I feel for you OP. You deserve better.

IdaBWells · 10/03/2019 09:14

Agree. Love is an action, it’s what you DO not just what you say. While you are deeply committed by your actions he is NOT but happy to take whatever you are offering what giving anything back.

Once legally married you are in a contract which entitles him to half of everything you have, So while you struggle to stay afloat he keeps spending until you can’t take it any more and decide get a divorce.Then he takes half of anything you have managed to scrape together. In this scenario he is a scam artist and you are a mug,

CoolJule43 · 10/03/2019 09:15

"I'd hate to lose my best friend over money"

This is a very telling statement. I would cancel the wedding because:

  1. You don"t marry your best friend. It's great if your love is your best friend too but this sounds like that is all he is.
  2. You are financially incompatible. His irresponsibility will not vanish with a wedding. You will spend your life coping with his irresponsible financial behaviour and clearing debts which he will build up again and again.
  3. He really should be invested in your wedding and want to contribute so he should be cutting back on other spending to finance it. e.g. Cut up credit card(s) so he can't get further into debt. Lots of marital problems are caused by money.

It really doesn't sound like he wants to get married in view of not changing his behaviour.

His DF contributing the house deposit is not his contribution. He has contributed nothing/zero/zilch.

What will he contribute when you have children in terms of money, time, effort and love? Will you have to take care of it all while he lives the life of a single man? He isn't ready to settle down yet.

Supersimpkin · 10/03/2019 09:16

Do you want kids whose father never fed or housed them for a second?

This will only get worse.

SparklySneakers · 10/03/2019 09:16

Marrying him will be the biggest most expensive mistake of your life. And then the divorce will cost you a fortune too.

Don't marry him.

I married someone like this. Took 6 years to divorce the bastard.

You've had some great advice on here.

LTB and get your money back. Otherwise this is your life.

ResistanceIsNecessary · 10/03/2019 09:16

Dump him.

You're in love with what you think he should be, rather than what he actually is.

You see a man that is perfect apart from one small financial issue. What he is, is a man who cares so little about financial matters that he's happy for you to pay for everything whilst he pisses away his cash on a night out.

Dump him. Cheaper, quicker and easier to do it now rather than after you've married.

Motherofcreek · 10/03/2019 09:17

OP will marry this man because the need to push through with her wedding will be greater than the need to protect herself.

See you in a years time OP on here complaining that he is actually worse, completely tied up legally in his debt and bitterly regretting what you have done.

altiara · 10/03/2019 09:18

Cancel the wedding, don’t legally tie yourself to him financially.
And when you give an ultimatum - you need to follow through, not say he wasn’t listening. He was listening! He just doesn’t need to change, he knows you’re a mug that’s prepared to get a third job.
I don’t think I could stay in a relationship like this.

Iggly · 10/03/2019 09:18

The thing is he has contributed equally in all other things except those which need big lumps of cash. So I’m not entirely convinced he’s a sponger.

Depends what the debt is for?

Fishwifecalling · 10/03/2019 09:23

I think the op is possibly as much to blame as the partner tbh.

If the budget shows he has no spare money, how on earth did you think he was going to be able to afford a big wedding. He can't manage to magic money out of thin air.

How you were going to afford/pay for/split the costs of this should have been discussed before this wedding was planned. It sounds as if neither of you can afford it.

oldmum22 · 10/03/2019 09:23

Postpone the wedding .

Serious talk about finances -include both sets of parents .

Plan for the future, with or without him

Mookatron · 10/03/2019 09:24

OP I suppose you've left the thread - all this must be v painful to read - but if you are here, just remember who the people giving you this advice are. They are basically you in 10 or 20 years' time. People with marriages and children and jobs, who know how hard those three things are to balance even when both of you are contributing financially. Please listen. Flowers

NeverTwerkNaked · 10/03/2019 09:24

I’m very close to saying cancel the wedding, but have a couple of questions first:

  • when you moved in to the house, did it really need all that money spent on decorating, or was that your personal choice? I know people who redecorate houses that look perfectly fine already ... if so, he shouldn’t feel bad about not contributing
  • what discussions did you have when you agreed a wedding budget etc? A wedding doesn’t have to cost very much at all, most stuff is optional. Was he upfront that he wouldn’t be able to contribute much? I wouldn’t want to miss out on time with friends and little treats just to pay for the kind of pointless stuff the wedding industry makes us feel we “must” have.
  • what are his debts from? I had big debts but they were from taking my abusive ex to court to get myself safe. DP has always totally understood that my ability to contribute is less because of these.
Musti · 10/03/2019 09:25

Why is he in debt? You say he contributes equally to all bills except the wedding?

NameChange992 · 10/03/2019 09:31

There are some unknowns from your post the answers to which affect what I think. So i’m not saying you did/not do the following, just asking the questions.

Did you sit down before starting to plan the wedding and work out what you could jointly afford And from where in your joint budget the money would come?

if you can’t jointly as a couple afford the wedding you’ve planned then you should have planned a different wedding. If you unilaterally decided upon the kind of wedding you were having then perhaps he resents having to pay for it and i don’t think you’re being fair expecting him to when he’s in debt already.

That being said, however you got to where you are now, not being able to discuss it with him is a problem. Whether the problem is solely him or due to you only you can really answer. If it really is him then I think you do need to reconsider the relationship. Not being able to discuss issues will be a massive problem long term