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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

OP posts:
Petalflowers · 10/03/2019 16:30

You need to sort this before the wedding, or you will end up resenting him.

Regarding the debts, are they on a credit card. If so, transfer them with a balance transfer offer, or even bank loan. The payments will be cheaper.

You need to talk to him and get this resolved before the wedding. If he cries, don’t use that as an excuse to stop. Wait to he composes himself, and then carry on. Write out a payment plan. Get him tomagree tomit.

Do you rely on him to transfer money to pay of his debts. If so, set up direct debits to payoff the money automatically each month.

Horsemenoftheaclopalypse · 10/03/2019 16:31

You really should call off/postpone the wedding and rethink your choice of lifepartner.

“He’s wonderful in every way except for this he is perfect ” is like me saying a have the most amazingly cool car... the only thing is it breaks down at least 3 times a week.

What I’ve actually got is a vehicle that doesn’t work reliably, can’t be trusted and makes my life uncomfortable and inconvenient. This is not a good car!!!

Now if he can rehabilitate (almost none of them can - especially given he won’t acknowledge it) that one thing but your situation sounds chronic

Also if it was when he was a teenager, he’s had 5 years plus.
What dent has he made in the meantime. And how much have you saved in that same time?

WizardOfAus · 10/03/2019 17:04

Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope.
Even after reading your update, I’ll be the 1735th person to say CANCEL or POSTPONE this wedding until he gets his shit together. (But, I wouldn’t hold my breath, OP).

Please don’t make the mistake of ploughing ahead with the wedding...then coming across this thread 6 years from now, wishing you’d taken all this genuine, lived-through-it, thoughtful advice.

LannieDuck · 10/03/2019 17:25

Don't tie yourself to him financially.

Anerak · 10/03/2019 17:33

It's likely to only get worse. I doubt you will cancel things but in the future I would bet good money that you will think back to this thread and think, "why did I not take their advice".

PiebaldHamster · 10/03/2019 17:43

This 'positive outcome' you want is for people to validate your fantasy that this man changes his attitude towards money and finances to a mature one. That is not going to happen. He's already into adulthood and his actions are speaking louder than words. If you chose not to listen, then poverty is yours to have on a plate.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 10/03/2019 17:54

"he just can’t talk about it ... he gets so upset about his finances that he can end up in tears"
I am so sorry to labour this point.
He can't talk about it/gets upset so he runs away from it because the debts are out of contol - so he needs to see a debt councillor as many have suggested to take stock of these debts to make sure he's paying as little interest as possible and has a repayment plan however modest.
This would be a big step towards taking responsibility for Himself. Its just not good enough to say that this is how his life has to be???? wtf?

I don't doubt that you both have a real affection for each other and I don't think he's doing this deliberately to defraud you, but if he carries on sticking his head in the sand and letting you bear all the burdens for him, then the effect in a decade's time, will be the same.
You would be doing him a kindness and helping him to grow up to make him face this now.

Whereareyouspot · 10/03/2019 18:00

His debts do need him to be grown up about it and start finding a way to pay them off. He may be a chronic bury his head type person which you need to be honest with yourself and him about whether this is something you can stand long term (I couldnt)

But tbh the whole wedding thing- sounds like he has been going along with it to make you happy when actually it’s the last thing he needs. Yes he should be honest but we all know how an eager bride can get.

And never being allowed a night out on a whim when you are young and have no kids- that’s a bit grim.

Stop the wedding.
Tbh you need longer to work out if you are compatible financially anyway.
Stop covering for him financially. He pays half of everything he shares and he has to budget for this.

Ask him to sort out his debts before you reconsider marriage. What he does will tell you how he feels both about the debt and marrying you....

Al2O3 · 10/03/2019 18:04

He's just not that into you. After all, he is just a little boy.

PiebaldHamster · 10/03/2019 18:12

The 'can't talk about it' and tears are indicative of someone who doesn't want to face up to debt in a mature, adult fashion and also has the added benefit of shutting you down, too.

Nc1548 · 10/03/2019 18:20

Regardless of how lovely he is or not, one thing you should be able to face is that you as a couple cannot afford the wedding now as you've planned it.
It's financial basics: if you have debt don't commit your money to even more stuff. He needs to pay his debt, not new ways to spend the money he doesn't have. That should be the sensible focus, not getting 3 jobs for the sake of one day.
If you can't afford it don't do it.

Jamhandprints · 10/03/2019 18:26

OP it sounds like he doesn't want to marry you. He may say that he does but actions speak louder than words. I think he'll be relieved if you call off the wedding.
I know you will lose money on some things already paid for, but I think it's time to move on.

Bluntness100 · 10/03/2019 18:30

Op, how can you say this man cries over finances, promised to pay half, is totally unselfish and cares for you, whilst he's out clubbing, buying takeaways and beers, breaking his promises to you and free loading off you and his dad.

Seriously if you marry this bloke thr resentment is going to kill it, what happens when kids come along, it will not change, and when you divorce, he will go after every penny he can get off you.

Cancel the wedding. If you chose to marry him, then do so when he has saved his half, and behaves like a man who loved you and not some selfish teenager freeloading off you.

I don't know how he can go clubbing when he's paid nothing to thr house and a hundred quid for thr wedding. The shame of it.

He's taking you for a ride.

TheShuttle · 10/03/2019 18:42

Can't bear to read the whole thread. First page is enough.

OP, once you are married aren't his debts YOUR debts? He's going to drag you down with him. How can you think of marrying this man-child? He can't even afford to pay towards his own wedding or to move house with you! But he has money to go clubbing. Right.

Twerking9til5 · 10/03/2019 18:46

“He promised he could pay half, even if it meant taking another job. His intentions seemed great.

He’s not kept up with that promise”

And now he has lied about ‘going for a drink’ .

What ‘solution’ do you think is possible? The only solution is that he changes.

A wedding is about making promises.

Cancel this wedding until he has fulfilled the promise he made to pay.

Gina2012 · 10/03/2019 18:48

. I completely love him and that’s never changed,

No

You love who you hope he will become

He won't become that person

Stop being ridiculous

KateMadikane · 10/03/2019 19:19

Please don’t marry him. He won’t change.
He sees being in debt as normal now. That’s a really bad sign.

PiebaldHamster · 10/03/2019 19:36

You are only 25, do you honestly believe the best you can do and the best that's out there for you is a manchild who believes his actions as a teenager define who he is well into adulthood and is happy to let his girlfriend and dad pay his way in life? Really? You're not on the same page vis and vis maturity levels, you're really aren't. He's still in clubbing/takeaways/debt mode and you're streets ahead in responsible adult mode. This never works and plenty of us have the divorces to prove it.

Bluntness100 · 10/03/2019 20:47

Can you really enjoy your wedding day. Knowing you paid for it all. That he threw you a hundred quid to shut you up. That he preferred to spend his money on beer, clubs and takeaways than contribute to the wedding. The wedding that he promised to contribute to, that he would get a second job for, but fritters what he does have on enjoying himself with his mates? Knowing your going back to a house his dad and you did everything for, that he free loaded off you both.

Honestly listen to what we are saying, you're making a big big mistake.

Sit him down and tell him the wedding is cancelled. And that at some point in the future you may consider it again, when he is debt free, when he has saved his half. But that he has broken his promises to you repeatedly, treated you badly by only giving you money towards it to shut you up, when he had promised, promised he would step up.

And then, after time, when your eyes open a bit further, you will thank god you didn't marry this man.

Or you'll look back and wish to fuck you had taken our advice.

Ellenborough · 11/03/2019 02:29

Piebald has summed it up nicely. I’m loathe to criticise him too much because at only 25 he’s no different to millions of other guys his age. He doesn’t earn much yet, can’t magic money out of thin air and clearly he’s just not ready for this, while you are.

As your first serious long term relationship it’s statistically unlikely to go the distance anyway. It’s perctly normal and entirely inevitable that at this age many couples who’ve been together since they were barely adults will start to grow in maturity at different rates and go in different directions. This is what is happening to you two now.

Instead of desperately trying to glue it all together by getting married, just slow down and see where the next year or two takes you. If it’s meant to work out it will. But if it doesn’t at least you won’t be paying your parents back for a marriage that was doomed all along.

Ruru8thestars · 11/03/2019 03:38

Good luck

SnapesGreasyHair · 11/03/2019 06:41

@CambridgeKat25 - so what are you going to do?

Weenurse · 11/03/2019 06:51

Pre wedding counseling always centres around finances because that is what all couples argue about.
Cancel the wedding and look at debt minimising strategies such as him getting a second job.

Ellenborough · 11/03/2019 07:11

Snapes she’s going to get married in June.

Fishwifecalling · 11/03/2019 07:20

Whether you stay with him or not should depend on whether he is prepared to do all he can to get rid of his debt.

You can't afford this wedding as things stand so you should cancel or at the very least postpone.

If he can prove that he's serious about reducing his debt then you might have a future together