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Fiancé won’t help pay for the wedding!

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CambridgeKat25 · 10/03/2019 00:56

Hi, I need some advice on how to move forward on a problem I have with my fiancé. We’re getting married in June and everything is booked and sorted. We’ve been together for 6 years, living together for 1 and a half, and he’s always paid his half of the bills no problem. However, it’s been a consistent problem that he’s always in debt (large credit card bill each month, living from his overdraft, etc).

When we moved in, his father paid our deposit and the rest of the moving budget was covered by me alone - including all furniture and decorating, totalling many thousands of £ from my savings that I’d sacrificed much to earn (I was only 24 and not in a particularly high paid job). He saw his contribution as the large sum put in by his father. I’ve tried to let this slide and have succeeded until now, when financial tensions have re-surfaced due to the wedding.

He’s insistent he has no money, and budget sheets verify this. We earn the same amount, but with his commuting train fare and large debts, he has very little spare income. I accept this and I’m glad my income is slightly more balanced so I can contribute more to house repairs to take the pressure off us.

However, what spare income he does have isn’t coming to me to pay his debt to me. I paid for most of the wedding myself, and I’ve borrowed the rest from my dad. I am now solely paying dad’s loan back by myself, as well as having more final payments looming - plus everything I’ve already spent. On his side, he’s contributed £100 total. It’s upsetting me and the pressure is too much. I’m a freelancer and don’t exactly have loads left over myself. I also sell some graphic design bits online for extra cash. If this carries on, I’ll need a 3rd job as I can’t pay for an entire wedding like this. I’m not feeling sorry for myself, but it’s nice to get this off my chest.

We’ve had 3 or 4 very big discussions about this but nothing changes, even though he understands the implications on me. He says he has no cash, then he’ll impulse transfer me £50 to shut me up - making it obvious he’s now on zero until payday, and blaming me. I don’t see any regular or impulse payments after this happens. If I kept quiet after this, I’d never see another penny. He isn’t prepared to set up a regular payment as he ‘never knows what he’ll have left.’

Tonight he went for a beer with his friends. Fine, I think, he still needs a life and a beer is only £5. Now I find out he’s gone to another city and is clubbing. When this happens, upwards of £50 will be spent. This will be his only spare money the entire month. I also found out when I was away last week he bought 2 takeaways and lots of beer in my absence.

I am furious that I am sacrificing almost all my activities to pay for this wedding and he is doing nothing. I appreciate he is poor at the moment but I assumed he’d want to help any way he could. I want him to have a life and have fun but in a restrained way so we can equally share the burden and rewards. I’ve been endlessly fair and restrained.

I’ve previously given an ultimatum that I will cancel the wedding if he doesn’t try and save up - but his stubbornness and pride means any difficult conversation is just shut down and never brought back up. Ultimatums and threats are useless if he doesn’t listen.

I am completely lost, frustrated, and scared. He’s not like this about anything other than money. Any ideas how I can resolve this without causing the ‘shut down’ we have no matter how understanding I am in conversation?!

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MumUnderTheMoon · 10/03/2019 13:48

I'm not sure that it's a good idea to legally bind yourself to someone who has so many issues with debt. Tell him the wedding is off until he gets his debt sorted out and give him a timeframe. If he doesn't make significant changes in that time then you should walk away for your own good.

Applesaregreenandred · 10/03/2019 13:50

Another one advising you to cancel the wedding I'm afraid.

I'm not necessarily going to say you need to end your relationship immediately but you and your partner obviously don't have enough money to pay for the wedding without incurring more debt, and tbh, it doesn't sound as if your partner is fully behind this.

Cancel the wedding, then have a good, hard think as to what your future is going to be like with this man, e.g. Is he totally selfish or will things be better when he's paid his debts off? I don't know how old you are but further commitment to him in terms of marriage or a child would not be a good move for you at present.

Wakk · 10/03/2019 13:51

If you marry this man you'll be on here in a couple of years complaining that you're on maternity leave surviving on a tenner a month, while he's out spending like there's no tomorrow.

cranstonmanor · 10/03/2019 14:01

He sees his debts as ‘unavoidable’ now - part of his life.

This is such a big problem. That means he doesn't plan to pay off debt, he will happily be in debt the rest of his life. That debt will only grow bigger because you need savings for when stuff happens, like when the roof leaks or the washing machine breaks down. My friends ex husband didn't do anything about his debt. Now in his 50s he is living on the streets... he used to have a good job as a GP! If you marry this man then you will slowly become absolutely destitute till you divorce him. You need to postpone the marriage and live on your own.

If he really want to have a life together with you he needs to work towards it. He needs to change and show it to you. That means making a plan to pay off debt and start saving and sticking to the plan. Also he should stop sponging off of you. You don't need to break up now, it sounds like you are not ready to do that, but you really, really need to start taking care of yourself financially.

Sipperskipper · 10/03/2019 14:02

I rarely comment on threads, but I had to come on and say this can only end in disaster. It isn’t just about the wedding, it is about his whole attitude to money, you, and your life together.

When DH and I bought our first house, I was in some debt (not loads, but a few K). DH put down the deposit, and paid off all my debt (he was a higher earner). We got a joint account, and shared everything, right down to the last penny. Nothing was ‘mine’ or ‘his’. I was very conscious of how my silly spending decisions could affect him, who was working so hard to pay our mortgage, bills and save to decorate our home. I wouldn’t have DREAMED of spending money frivolously on takeaways and nights out etc, as I knew how it would affect him too.

What will happen when you are on maternity leave at some point? Will he be able / prepared to support you when you are earning next to nothing? I doubt it, and what a miserable, worrying time that could be.

bubblegumunicorn · 10/03/2019 14:06

I'm going to give you the other side I have way less money than my husband not sure how as I've always earned more but it's the way it is he's just better with money than me! So I lost my job 6 weeks before the wedding and didn't have the money to pay it off it was awful for me not being able to afford it and for him to pay it all off we had a fairly cheap wedding under 10k but it took me months to pay him back and if I'm honest I probably wouldn't have if he hadn't put his foot down now people have accused him of financially abusing me but honestly from his side we both should have paid for that wedding and it was right we did! You should do what he did insist he pays you X a month until it's paid off let him know he can't lean on you and you both will he stronger for it!

HappydaysArehere · 10/03/2019 14:12

Crumbs! None of this bodes well for a happy marriage. He sounds self centred and not caring about your concerns. Delay the marriage until he gets himself sorted.

Arowana · 10/03/2019 14:37

*decision that you at MumsNet have been kindly advising on - find someone in a better financial situation

That's not what people have said. His financial situation is not an issue, many people have debts. It's his immaturity and selfishness in dealing with it that's the issue. That he sees you struggling but offers nothing but empty promises and crocodile tears*

This.

Crabbyandproudofit · 10/03/2019 14:40
  1. Cancel the wedding. Recoup what you can and pay back your dad.
  2. Your fiancé HAS to get proper debt advice (CAB, Stepchange, Christians Against Poverty). Set a time limit for him to organise this.
  3. Stop buying with credit and save up for things you want.
  4. Your fiance needs to prove he is committed to your relationship by taking action. Set a time limit for this. He may have to change jobs or get a second job. You may both have to agree to give up some luxuries.
cranstonmanor · 10/03/2019 14:41

At your age I thought that if you loved someone you were meant to be together and the love would conquer all etc. That is however a very unrealistic disney cartoonish type of view. You don't break up with people about a certain amount of money/debt, you break up with people because your views on the future are too different to be compatible.

Love does not conquer all, you can be totally in love with someone and not be able to have a (stable) relationship with them (bitter experience). If you find yourself in the last category it is best for you overall lifelong happiness to go your own way and never see them again. You need to decide what is best for you in your future, it is worth the hurt in the now if it will make your future a happier and better one. of course there will be pangs now and then but you will become happy again.

Orange6904 · 10/03/2019 14:54

Haven't read whole thread but stuff like this only gets worse unless he is willing to make some changes.

sansou · 10/03/2019 15:07

Do you know how much debt he has? Are we talking a few thousand or tens of thousands? Have you never thought about helping him pay it off if you are in a committed relationship?

Don't get in debt for your wedding? Scale down or postpone/cancel. In your scenario, he needs to get a handle on his debt (with your help) before you even think about getting married.

Graphista · 10/03/2019 15:24

"genuinely cares about me, is completely unselfish" his actions show the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of this!

"His intentions seemed great." The road to hell...

"However, our joint ventures are not part of his equation" he's SHOWING you he doesn't really see you as partners

You're understandably upset at the thought of cancelling the wedding and having to face the FACT he doesn't care for you the same way you care for him.

It's hard, but I think you need to act quickly to have any chance of not incurring further costs re the wedding.

Aquamarine1029 · 10/03/2019 15:27

I didn't even bother to read the entire thread because I need to say this as quickly as possible...

RUN. RUN FOR YOUR LIFE. This relationship is doomed, I promise you. Marrying this man will be the biggest mistake of your life.

perfectstorm · 10/03/2019 15:27

His financial situation isn't the problem. His attitude is. It's that which makes him a terrible bet.

GCAcademic · 10/03/2019 15:30

Good luck, OP. This man is going to end up with half your assets and pension if you divorce. And you will, because no relationship can survive when two people have such different approaches to money.

hellenbackagen · 10/03/2019 15:30

I think you've just got your priorities wrong.

Sort the debt first
Then get married with what you can afford.

How much does he actually owe?

I'd want to start married life with a clean financial slate so you could both save some joint savings for the future .
The wedding is taking precedence when it should be the debt . (If you genuinely want to be together)

hellenbackagen · 10/03/2019 15:33

And maybe I'm in a minority - but I don't think it has to be doomed.

I am on a debt management plan because of some bad decisions and a relationship breakdown.

It doesn't mean I'm irresponsible or can't save for the future.

Anniegetyourgun · 10/03/2019 15:34

I like how nearly everyone is assuming OP pushed the big wedding, whilst the fiancé may be indifferent to the details or may even have cold feet. Turns out he's the one pushing both the date and the size of wedding - and that OP has indeed sat him down and asked whether he was able and content to pay half, to which he replied that he was. Well, no wonder he's happy, given that he doesn't seem to be going to pay after all Hmm A good person, a thoughtful partner, a best friend, does not do that to someone they love. Not by any definition of love I recognise, at least.

Opinions have differed, before and after that interesting reveal, but I don't recall there being a single poster on the entire thread (11 pages and counting) who thought going ahead with the current wedding plan was a good idea. The vast majority have suggested that marrying at all would be a bad idea unless/until things change a great deal. Nobody, but nobody, said that OP should marry a richer guy. It's not about riches. It's about attitude - to debt, to money, and to one's future life partner. Dammit, I wish MN had been around to tell me this when I was happy to use my inheritance and salary to prop up a victim of circumstance who was ever such a nice guy really... not, I suspect, that I'd have listened at the time, to be fair.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/03/2019 15:51

he does feel very weak and upset about his situation and isn’t immune to the fact I’m struggling with it - he just can’t talk about it ... he gets so upset about his finances that he can end up in tears

So he'll boo-hoo for sympathy, yet doesn't hold back from a blow-out with his mates when it suits? On top of this he regards his DF's money and the occasional £50 bung as "his" contribution? And if you should dare to bring any of this up he "shuts down" the discussion?

He doesn't sound "caring and unselfish" to me; in fact I'd say he's not very good at this - except that's not true, when you consider the situation he's manipulated you into. Whether to tolerate this any more is your decision, but please don't imagine he'll ever change; whenever you need anything in future for yourself or possible kids you'll be totally on your own financially

And he still won't want to talk about it ...

Oliversmumsarmy · 10/03/2019 15:54

He works incredibly hard at his job, genuinely cares about me, is completely unselfish

Really?

He goes out for one drink and then decides to go clubbing all night spending his total budget for the month in one evening.
(Will you have to stay in with him every night this month because he can’t afford to go out or if you do go out do you pay)

He wants to get married but doesn’t want to pay for it.

He wants to move in with you but doesn’t want to pay for it

His debt is down to teenage bad decisions
And
He sees his debts as ‘unavoidable’ now - part of his life

This is worrying.

How much exactly has he paid off in the last 6 years you have been with him.
Is he actually making any headway into reducing his debts?

How long exactly will he have these debts for because this looks like an excuse to just do what he wants when he wants with his money because you can always scrimp and save and rescue him and give him what he wants but cannot afford, because he is in debt.

However, our joint ventures are not part of his equation, despite him proposing, wanting the wedding this year, and wanting a medium sized wedding despite me being openly worried about him affording it. He promised he could pay half, even if it meant taking another job. His intentions seemed great

Intentions and dangling a nice wedding have cost him nothing.
Why hasn’t he got another job?

Why didn’t he get a second job 6 years ago to pay his debts and his bills.

He is not keeping his head above water. You are.
If he was on his own would he be able to house and feed himself without anyone else’s input.

GetStrongKeepFighting · 10/03/2019 16:06

He doesn't care as you are stressed about money and he could change that and chooses not too..

Also don't show him this thread. Stupid advice for so many reasons.

BarbarianMum · 10/03/2019 16:09

Never mind worrying how you will pay for your wedding, worry about how much your divorce will cost you. In £ and in self-esteem.

Luckingfovely · 10/03/2019 16:11

I know I'm the zillionth person to say this, but I simply can't pass by without saying CANCEL THE WEDDING.

Stay with him if you want to for now, on the condition he sorts his shit out and grows up.

But if you marry him now you will regret it. And probably need a fourth job to cover the divorce bill.

SparklySneakers · 10/03/2019 16:14

How much debt can an 18 year old get into in 2 years that is still an issue all these years later?! I might have missed some vital info somewhere. Maybe uni debts but it would be odd to describe those as bad teenage debts so I'm guessing not uni debts.