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Sister & BiL have split.. mum and bil taking it REALLY bad. Advice please

142 replies

AdviceNeeded3282 · 06/03/2019 20:48

I’m just looking for advice and your own personal situations. Good to see from others points of view.

My sister who is 24 had been with her partner for 4 years - he is 31 (not that age matters). They seemed so settled and he was perfect for her. He bought her back son to earth. He has a well paid job, stayed with her through uni (she stayed at home / still lives at home) and she now has a good job in a corporate firm. My sister and her partner have lived with my mum for 4 years. My sister practically moved him in and my mum allowed it. In this time he became part of the family, helped my mum, helped my grandparents, was good with my children etc. Anyhow my sister has totally lost the plot (she has never really been 100% stable she suffers with depression etc and has made some questionable decisions in her life), she decided to go on Tinder (behind her partners back). He seen a notification on her phone and questioned what it was. She said it’s tinder from when they went on a break and she never uninstalled it ?!?!?! He totally lost it and kicked her (how hard I do not know and I KNOW violence is wrong). She finished it there and then with him (despite It was her on tinder)! He got all of his stuff and moved back to his mums.

Two days after the split, she is now sleeping with a married man from work (a manager) who has two children (10&6). They’ve been seeing each other the past two weeks and he’s left his wife for my sister ?!?!?! It’s just insane. Meanwhile her ex partner is wondering why she will not speak to him, give him an explanation - she has cut him off completely after 4 years. He was close to my mum and texts her to ask if my sister has said anything and even my own mum has told him you are better off without her (but she won’t tell him she’s started an affair).

I have told him he is better off without because she cheated on him two years ago but they worked through it. She planned to buy a houSe with him this summer but is now going it alone. She has 0 friends.

My mum lives on her own and my sister and her ex partner lived with her. But now my sisters partner is gone, and my sister is constantly out my mum is at home on her own. My mum has called me up on several occasions crying - saying how she wants them to work it out as he is caring and would do anything for her yet agrees she’s a selfish brat for the way she has gone about everything. She says she misses having him around also and that it’s a big change for her.

I am also upset because my mum is upset, sisters ex partner is devastated and there is nothing I can do. I’ve told mY mum to distance herself and focus on her own life and try meet someone else but that’s a thread for another day!!!! Mum is 55 and says “not worth the upset of seeing someone else”.

Sigh.

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SpeedyBojangles · 06/03/2019 21:23

You've taken the side of a man who violently assaulted your sister? Ok.

I'm not condoning her behaviour, at all, but she is your sister and he was violent towards her. I think you need to re-evaluate where your loyalties lie.

Phuquocdreams · 06/03/2019 21:23

For god sake, she’s 24, she’s young, she can break up off she wants to. You and your mum are way too involved. Not condoning the affair with the married man - but she’s perfectly entitled to break up with her boyfriend

CordeliaEarhart · 06/03/2019 21:24

I've made plenty of mistakes, but I've never assaulted anyone in temper! Bloody hell, you really are determined that he isn't to blame for his violent outbursts.

Also, some people don't want to settle down, and many don't want to settle at 24! I'd have missed some of the happiest times of my life if I'd settled down at that age. What you/your mum want are irrelevant. It is your sister's life and up to her if and when she wants to settle down.

5inabed · 06/03/2019 21:24

Ffs he’s a “legit family man” “everyone makes mistakes”???!! He assaulted your sister and you’re sticking up for him and saying you are on his side? Thank fuck you’re not my sister! Maybe you should find your loyalty to your sister and stop trying to run her life? She’s better off without you and your mother.

SpeedyBojangles · 06/03/2019 21:25

and sometimes these decent guys are hard to come by.

Are you for real?

Actually, I don't think you are. Have one of these Biscuit

OKBobble · 06/03/2019 21:27

So even ignoring the kicking your sister just wasn't into him anymore.

It sucks when a family member dumps a partner that has been a part of your life too but at the end of the day itbis their relationship. You and your mum may decide to carry on some kind of friendship with him but that may impact on your relationships with your sister and indeed on those with future partners. After all its pretty grim for a new bf/gf to have the ex round at theirs all the time seeing other members of the family.

Her relationship with colleague may fizzle out or it may turn out to be her future long term partner. Therefore I wouldn't be too disparaging of him in case that turns out to be the case.

To be fair she was very young when she got with her partner, has already cheated on him and rejoined tinder, kicked him to the curb when faced with physical abuse and moved on quickly.

Her ex will have to get used to it as will you and your Mum.

AdviceNeeded3282 · 06/03/2019 21:28

He kicked her - it was wrong. I am saying I want her to be safe - and going about with a married man who has left his kids and wife for a fling is NOT the way to go about it. We don’t say anything to her though because we are there to listen - not judge !

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WallisFrizz · 06/03/2019 21:28

Butt out. It doesn’t matter who did what. She wants to end her relationship...support her! Sound like there is good reason. Your mum will have to get over it. Unless she would actually prefer to have her daughter in a toxic relationship.

wombatsears · 06/03/2019 21:29

decent guys are hard to come by.

This guy isn’t a decent guy. On the other hand, it really isn’t that hard to find a man who wouldn’t dream of kicking his partner.

You and your mum seem to think that’s all your sister is worth?

Ginger1982 · 06/03/2019 21:30

Leaving aside everything else, your sister is not responsible for your mum's happiness and her crying about being lonely is emotional blackmail.

ralphi · 06/03/2019 21:30

Your mum does need to focus on her own life, and so do you. Why was is it so upsetting for you that he is distraught? Why are you sympathetic to him? You seem overinvested in deciding what is right for your sister, back off and let her decide.

Bluestitch · 06/03/2019 21:31

The fling with the married man doesn't sound good but that is separate to her ex, who she doesn't want to be with anymore.

StayingWithAuntySue · 06/03/2019 21:31

Your mum is being awful! She needs to build her own life instead of hanging round for crumbs, really bad she is trying to get them back together because it suits her own ends, Shame on her Really .

AdviceNeeded3282 · 06/03/2019 21:32

Can I just point out my mum has not once cried in front of my sister or mentioned she is lonely! My mum does nothing but supports her and tells her if she doesn’t want to be with him anymore then it’s fine but to make it clear to him - yet my sister doesn’t and has completely ghosted him after 4 years

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crestar · 06/03/2019 21:33

Violence is definitely wrong but the Mumsnet double standards rears its ugly head once again. If you got this information from your sister, is it reliable information? Let's face it, she's hardly trustworthy.

Can we just ascertain that everyone is also completely against smacking / tapping a child in any way shape or form as part of punishment as well? Otherwise, it's hypocrisy gone mad.

NWQM · 06/03/2019 21:34

So if you are thinking judging what does - ‘I can honestly say I am on his side’ - mean?

If you aren’t judging why do seem to be saying that you can see why he’d lose his temper if he found the kindle so notification. You seem to be judging that she did indeed lie about that.

Bluestitch · 06/03/2019 21:35

My mum does nothing but supports her and tells her if she doesn’t want to be with him anymore then it’s fine but to make it clear to him - yet my sister doesn’t and has completely ghosted him after 4 years

She finished it and he moved out. What else is she supposed to do to make it clear to him?

Oswin · 06/03/2019 21:36

Why do you want her to settle down. To be with a family man? She's 24 ffs.

CordeliaEarhart · 06/03/2019 21:38

She broke up with him, told him to pack his things and leave and isn't answering the phone or texts. I think she is being absolutely clear. The fact he/you don't realise that she's being clear suggests that he/you aren't very good at recognising and respecting other people's boundaries.

If I friend asked me what to do when a violent ex kept trying to get in touch, I'd tell them to block the number and move on with their own life. That is what you should be saying to your sister.

CountessVonBoobs · 06/03/2019 21:39

Christ alive, with family like you, who needs enemies?

The only thing that is required for your sister to break up with someone is that she doesn't want to be with them any more. And this man physically assaulted her. And her own sister and mother are crying and rending their garments and excusing it and trying to get her to take him back because... I don't even know? You liked him, so she doesn't get to have agency over her own love life? And she's an awful human being because she isn't sad about ending a relationship that needed to be ended with a man that got physically violent with her. How dare she.

Your reaction is fucked up. She's your sister. She ended a bad relationship. Good for her. Yes it's hard when you like a family member's ex, but you are doing the most bizarre gymnastics to excuse him and blame her. Your sister doesn't have to stay with someone she doesn't love WHO PHYSICALLY HURTS HER to keep your mum from being lonely!!!

gamerchick · 06/03/2019 21:40

Tbh I feel a bit sorry for your sister. You're all trying to heap a whole load of shit and responsibility on her head Hmm

She's 24, she's been with this guy barely out of her teens. She has to make her own mistakes and the fact that none of you are paying attention says a lot about how you don't listen.

She doesnt want him, she doesn't want to stay home with your manipulative mother and her tears and she certainly doesn't want this man who assaulted her. No wonder she's kicking back.

Leave.her.alone

Siriismyonlyfriend · 06/03/2019 21:40

I’d be ghosting someone too who felt it was appropriate to assault me.
You may not be happy with your sisters choices but for gods sake take this man off the pedestal you have him on

AdviceNeeded3282 · 06/03/2019 21:40

Please turn this story round if this happened to the guy. Example - man goes on tinder behind wife’s back, wife kicks him and leaves. The wife then texts her husband to say she shouldn’t have kicked him and she is sorry, but wants to know why he did this - yet the husband doesn’t respond after being together 4 years and totally cuts her off, without any explanation and starts to have an affair with a married women who has children and is thinking of leaving her husband. NOW READ IT FROM THAT VIEW?

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CordeliaEarhart · 06/03/2019 21:43

Firstly, he isn't her husband so your analogy is wrong. Secondly, I'd advise a man to walk away from a violent relationship and never look back.

CountessVonBoobs · 06/03/2019 21:43

Oh, another boring "BUT WHAT IF THE GENDERS WERE FLIPPED?!?!?!" non-scenario.

  1. the genders matter in the case of physical abuse
  2. the husband in this non-story would still be right to leave
  3. seeing a married person is not great personal decision making but it couldn't be more obvious that you've dragooned this in just to bolster your "my sister is a bad person" case when you actually don't give a shit about this person's wife.