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Feeling trapped by brothers dependancy. Help!

139 replies

pleasehelpme2019 · 28/02/2019 16:12

I have namechanged for this, as it could be quite outing.
My mum died 2 and a half years ago and I my resilience has really taken a hit following that and I do struggle to cope at times.
He has a very mild learning difficulty, this has been exacerbated by excessive substance misuse (this was in a report by a psychologist). I grew up with him being a manipulative, violent (at times) alcoholic. He would then constantly be in a cycle of giving it up and going back to it.
He caused her immense hurt and worry but she always just persisted, trying to help him and take care of him.
When my mum died she left his inheritance to be left in trust with me and my husband as the trustees, she knew that he would either give it away to various undesirables that he knew, that exploited him, or that he would drink it all.
Anyhow, without the safety net of my mother, he just completely fell apart and it shone a light on the fact he cannot take care of himself. He is now in the position of having to have carers go in to see him daily to check his various medications and help him try and live independently.
There has been a recent situation with this arrangement whereby the Council stopped paying for his care for a period, we have now settled all this. However, during this period he was telling carers and social workers that I was refusing him money for things he needed (he never even asked me), telling me his carers were treating him badly (I spent so much time fighting his case over this), only to then find out its all bullshit.
Like I said earlier, since my mum died I don’t have the resilience to cope with things like I used to and trying to fight his corner against all the things he has been alleging, has been exhausting (I also live 240 miles away, have a stressful full time job and my own family), and then to find out that not only is it all lies, but he has also been lying about me, is just too much.
I feel like the worst person in the world right now for saying this but I feel like I have reached my breaking point, I feel like I resent the fact that I now have to look after the man who ruined my childhood, who abused my mother. I feel like all this time Ive worried myself sick trying to help him because I know deep down that if I don’t know one else will, but I feel like enough is enough, He has created all this drama and this entire situation for what? For his own entertainment? For attention? Maybe he has started drinking again??? Who knows.
But all I want to do right now, is write him a cheque for all his money and just cut him out, but I cant do that can I? I just feel so trapped.

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Dickensnovel · 02/03/2019 14:50

You have not been painting this picture of him as a vulnerable victim. Stop criticizing yourself and taking on this extra burden! You must have learned this from your Mum, but you are not his mum. Your plan for the coming week sounds really good; please stick to it!!

I think most of us know someone like your brother, and we realize what they are like with their manipulations, and that you cannot trust what they say at all. You did not cause this, you cannot cure it, you cannot control it. Please take care of yourself.

Grace212 · 02/03/2019 18:36

OP "Hes a manipulative liar who does whatever the hell he wants with no thought as to the effect it has on others"

i did wonder this - how he did get carers, and also I'm wondering what meds he has to take, to the point that social care got involved. obviously I don't expect you to tell us that, just wondered.

pleasehelpme2019 · 02/03/2019 18:59

To be honest grace I don't have the answer.
After my mum died some local undedirables tried exploiting him for what they thought hed inherit and he ended up at risk of harm.
Hes on various medications for the effects the alcoholism has had on his body and because of the above his life became quite chaotic and he ended up with social care involvement.
Because of the effects the alcoholism has had on his mental health he can become very anxious and depressed. He is forgetful and cant manage his own medicines.
Sorry I know that's a big sketchy but it's about all I know.

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pleasehelpme2019 · 02/03/2019 19:00

Just been talking to a friend on the phone. Think my brother is drinking again as he had a pint of shandy when he went out for his birthday tea with them. Apparently he said he could drink shandy cos itd be ok. Hes a right fucking knob.
I asked him and he flat out denied it. I asked him again and he admitted he had one but left most of it. Friend said he drank it like a dying man in the desert.
He is an alcoholic. There aint a chance in hell he'll have one shandy every so often and limit it at that. He must think I was found under the fucking Christmas tree

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Teateaandmoretea · 02/03/2019 19:36

But all I want to do right now, is write him a cheque for all his money and just cut him out, but I cant do that can I? I just feel so trapped.

Why not? This relatively small inheritance runs the risk of ruining your life. You need to look after yourself and your family first by finding the best solution for you.

pleasehelpme2019 · 02/03/2019 19:45

I think tea I'm afraid he will drink himself to death if I did.

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Grace212 · 02/03/2019 20:22

OP I really feel for people with addiction issues and have MH issues myself

but he - and I! - are adults with capacity. It's not your responsibility if he drinks.

Soverytiredofeverythinggoingon · 02/03/2019 20:26

And that would not be your fault.
With regard to the way your brother behaves, and is:-
You didn't cause it
You cannot control it
You can't cure it.

I'd get rid of the financial responsibility ASAP, cut all ties and let him get on with his life. Tell Adult Social Care you will NOT be involved any further.
If you don't make it very clear to ASC they will expect you to continue to help. I know, I've been there.
Good luck, xxx

Coronapop · 02/03/2019 20:38

Could you arrange to pay him a regular amount by bank transfer, monthly or weekly, and just leave it running until the money runs out.

peachpearplum01 · 02/03/2019 20:49

Good luck op! No advice but watching with interest as I am worried about being in a similar situation in the future with my sister, when my parents are gone. My mum also wants to set up a trust and seemed surprised I wasn’t keen to be trustee, it made me feel very selfish at the time but reading this has strengthened my resolve! Hope the meeting goes well.

Cherrysoup · 02/03/2019 20:51

Could you arrange to pay him a regular amount by bank transfer, monthly or weekly, and just leave it running until the money runs out.

This and tell Social Services you are not in charge of him. He’s vulnerable, but you’re not in charge of him and you don’t need to be responsible for him. You have to be clear with SS. This is affecting your mental and physical health. It is the right thing to do to get rid of the responsibility. Get a solicitor or ask SS to be in charge of the money. You owe him fuck all, he ruined your childhood. 🤬

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/03/2019 21:20

"I think I'm afraid he will drink himself to death if I did".

He could well do that anyway even if he received no further cash from his mother's estate. There are no guarantees when it comes to alcoholism and he has not stopped drinking alcohol completely. Its not your fault he is like this and you did not make him that way. You need to get off the merry go around that is alcoholism here.

He is not your responsibility when all is said and done here but your mother instilled that idea sadly in you and codependent patterns of behaviour are commonplace amongst these types of dysfunctional relationships.

His problems are not more important.. Sadly too your mother did not remember the 3cs re alcoholism either and what she tried did not work. The only person who can help your brother here is he and he really does not want anyone else's help or support. As I wrote earlier (and I am repeating a phrase that a MNetter wrote originally on another matter) you cannot set yourself on fire to keep another person warm. You certainly need to rid yourself of the responsibility of being a trustee to your late mother's estate and it needs to be handed over to Solicitors.

Blessingsdragon1 · 02/03/2019 23:14

Have to say I agree with setting up a standing order of say £500 a month and just walking away if changing the trusteeship is too legally complicated XX

HelloDeidre · 03/03/2019 03:47

I have a brother that is a gambler and has never worked and uses everyone and is also very aggressive as well as being an adult child ...He sees everyone else as having a problem while taking no responsibility for himself ...When my mother passes he will be lost as she enables him and it will probably fall to me to sort him out. My family is rife with narcissists and enablers ...its almost like a law that certain people are supposed to 'look after' the others and there is constant judgement if you don't tow the line ... I have gone through bout of anxiety and angst and have even thought about moving to the other side of the world to get away ..The pattern in my family is the normal people have to try and do everything for the needy without any gratitude as there is a sense of entitlement and alot of self pity and then you suffer abuse for your efforts. I have learned though to put myself first. I will give what I wish to give and when I want. I cannot fix anyone else life. At the end of the day I am answerable only to myself. OP ask yourself what advice your would give a friend in this situation and then be your own best friend. Your brother may drink himself to death whatever anyone does and also may squander the money whatever way he receives it. He has I presume the ability to know what he is doing when he is slagging you off to Social Services. He can work and he can handle money so he is not totally dependent. Remove yourself as trustee of his money , send him love and say you are happy to stay in occasional contact (if you are ) but not be responsible for his finances.It doesn't mean you don't care ...You can care for someone without being responsible for them and you can talk to them occasionally without taking on the burden of who they are ... but only if you are strong enough not to let them give it to you and you will only be strong enough if you value yourself more

pleasehelpme2019 · 03/03/2019 08:04

I couldn't really sleep last night I just felt so angry at him. At the lies hes told, at all the things hes done over the years. Its opened up a whole can of worms. I just feel so angry and upset.
But I suppose that is a good thing in a way. It means I can now face it and deal with it and itll keep me going to do what I need to on Thursday.
Hugs to everyone else going through similar too. I'd never even considered this happened in others families.

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triballeader · 03/03/2019 09:50

Very sadly it does. Even sadder is the effect one presons out of control alcohol consumptions has on everyone else it touches. It took a bit fo time for me to work out what my brother was doing when he claimed I had no right to name his problems and talk about them. He was trying to corner me into colluding and pretending he does not have a problem with alchohol and its all in my own head. His need for alchohol turns him into a manipulative, bullying and abusive person that weedles and screams for what he wants when he wants it. its like watching a slow fatal car-crash take place and that is hard.

Its only when you let someone bear the consequences of their OTT alchohol consumption that they MIGHT decided to do something about it. Even then it often does not work. Its NOT your fault. Yes you can be angry and upset as you work out what has been happening over the years. Yes you can say No to being a trustee, named relative and so on. Just remember SS will be trying to look for the cheapest care option- i.e. you. so as others have said stick to 'won't do this' as 'can't will leave them feeling they can persuade you to continue with the dangled false carrot of support for you [Does not exist in reality]

You have a good and resposible job that helps others. Make a stand as this matters to you and you cannot afford to loose your reputation for integrity due to a brother who has none. Speak with Al-Anon on the phone to help you get what you really want clear in your own mind before the meeting this week.

IRL I have a position of being a Trustee that requires I have no bankruptcy, CCJ's or debt. That made me draw a very heavy line under my brothers manipulative dramas as that is something I love doing and would hate to have taken from me by him. Its bad enough he has eaten years of my family's life with his repeated lies and poor behaviours at every single family event.

Please keep in touch with folk here. I for one know how hard it can be to realise and make a stand not to be drawn into the dramas of a siblings alcholism and just how pushy adult services can be to cut costs.

pleasehelpme2019 · 03/03/2019 10:14

I messaged his carer earlier this week with my concerns about his drinking. He messaged me back about ten mins ago and suggested that we should try and get together to get him some more support....I'm flabbergasted.
WE?!! WE?? Fuck off mate,I'm done
D.o.n.e. done. If he still wants to drink he wont engage with support. I'm fucking well over it now.
I didn't respond. I wont respond. I've to prepare myself for this meeting on Thursday and get through that. That is my priority.

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averystrangeweek · 03/03/2019 10:17

Engage a solicitor to have power of attorney. You may or may not have to remain as trustee, but at least the day-to-day issues will be being dealt with by someone else.

RandomMess · 03/03/2019 10:21

I would tell his carer that due to your DB continual lies you have to step back completely from being involved as he is things that could lose you your SW licence thing. That the only thing you are doing from now on is handing over trusteeship.

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Coronapop · 03/03/2019 11:14

It may help to stop communicating (or minimise it) with all the people involved eg carer. It's not realistic for you to be too involved given geographical distance. If you set up a regular payment to your brother from the fund he will be getting his inheritance money to use as he chooses. You can't control what he spends it on.

Sicario · 03/03/2019 11:32

I walked away from my brother's car-crash life 18 months ago. He is a stroke survivor. The guilt of it nearly ate me alive, but I stuck to my decision. And after everything I had done, I found that I was being slagged off and blamed for situations that were none of my making.

I now no longer care about other people's opinions of me. They can fuck right off. I am not responsible for my brother's life.

I agree that you should hand over all responsibility and walk away. It's not easy. Be kind to yourself and know that you are a GOOD person for all that you have done. I wish you all the best.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/03/2019 12:08

pleasehelpme

re your comments in quote marks

"I messaged his carer earlier this week with my concerns about his drinking".

Why did you do this?
You wasted your time in doing that sadly.

"He messaged me back about ten mins ago and suggested that we should try and get together to get him some more support....I'm flabbergasted".

I am not, infact I am not at all surprised. If you read this part of the 3 act play that is alcoholism you will see why:-

"The first person to appear is one we might call the Enabler, a "helpful" Mr. Clean who may be impelled, by his own anxiety and guilt, to rescue his friend, the alcoholic, from her predicament. He/she wants to save the alcoholic from the immediate crisis and relieve her of the unbearable tension created by the situation. In reality, this person may be meeting a need of her own, rather than that of the alcoholic, although he does not realize this himself. The Enabler may be a male outside of the family, perhaps a relative; occasionally a woman plays this role.

It is also played by the so-called "helping professions" - clergyman, doctors, lawyers, social workers. Many have had little, if any, of the scientific instruction on alcohol and alcoholism, which is essential in such specialized counseling. Lacking this knowledge, they handle the situation in the same process of learning by "correcting his/her own mistakes", and conditions him/her to believe there will always be a protector who will come to her rescue, even though the Enablers insist they will never again rescue her. They always have and the alcoholic believes they always will. Such rescue operations can be just as compulsive as drinking".

The role of the professional Enabler - (i.e. clergyman, doctor, lawyer or social worker) - can be most destructive, if it conditions the family to reduce the crisis rather than to use it to initiate a recovery program. The family has probably known for a few years that drinking was creating serious problems, but this is not so apt to be visible to person outside of the family. When the family turns to professionals who are not adequately qualified to deal with alcoholism, before the anti-social behavior has become obvious, the family may be told that this not alcoholism and that there is nothing they can do until the drinker wants help.

When alcoholism reaches the point where it breaks outside the family and the alcoholic herself turns to such professional people, he/she secures a reduction of his crisis by seeking and using those persons as Enablers. This again keeps the Merry-Go-Round going. The family which was told initially that there were no signs of alcoholism is now taught that the way to deal with it is to remove the symptoms, rather than to deal realistically with the illness. The very persons who failed to identify the alcoholism in its early stages may now treat the more advanced symptoms by helping the alcoholic get back on the merry-go-round. This further conditions the family to believe that nothing can be done to cope with the alcoholism. Even when the family members attempt to secure help for themselves or the alcoholic, the professional role may be that of an Enabler, rather than leading the family and the alcoholic into a long-range program of recovery. As the Enabler is the first person on the scene, he influences the remainder of the second act because it sets the direction and movement of this part of the play. Thus the uninformed professional helps everyone get back on the Merry-Go-Round.

Prepare to walk away for good on Thursday; any actions that are short of doing this will simply lead to more pain for you. Frankly he has put you through many years of abuse at his hands and you can and should say no more to being abused by him. Draw a line in the sand.

pleasehelpme2019 · 03/03/2019 12:36

atilla thank you so much for your help and advice, really thank you.
I think I messaged them as I was still on that merry go round. I felt like I needed to help him.
Its only really now, particularly since the conversation with my manager (which incidentally is the first time I've told anyone other than my husband about my brother) that saying all these things out loud and having her professional advice and compassion has truly opened my eyes. I cannot do this any longer. As she said I need to safeguard myself from this.
I need to step away. Utterly and completely or I will never get away. I just need to maintain this strength to see me through this meeting.
The thing that terrifies me is I will go through all this, travel all that distance and fall apart and nothing will change.
I need to stay strong and I fear I can't as since my mum died my resilience is almost zero.

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pleasehelpme2019 · 03/03/2019 18:30

I suspect he may be starting to realise the writing is on the wall. He is quite immature and spends his life on Facebook, where he has just posted this

Feeling trapped by brothers dependancy. Help!
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Grace212 · 03/03/2019 19:48

OP why do you have to attend the meeting?

I'm wondering if it's better to just tell Social Services you are no longer involved, write the cheque and that's it.