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What would you think if your ex

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why100000 · 23/02/2019 19:49

If your ex, whom you weren’t on speaking terms with, but who regularly saw your kids, started doing the following - what would you think -

Leaving portions of food for you for when you got home from work (he comes to my house almost every day and cooks the dc their dinner - by the time I come home he has left) - he tells the kids to leave some food for me.

Dropping takeaway off for the dc at the weekend and there is (blatantly) enough for you as well.

Talking to one of your dc about you in general - what music you used to like, how you used to drink a lot of water (true) - stuff like that.

What would you think?

Clutching at straws I know

Bearing in mind it was a really difficult divorce.

OP posts:
why100000 · 27/02/2019 07:04

And I finally stood up to him - after years of fairly regularly walking on eggshells, and being excluded from his affection - while he lavished it on the kids (not that they don’t deserve that, but it was very excluding).

What do you do though, when someone’s voice and they themselves are so familiar? Hearing him being so kind on the phone to his new person, while we were forced to live in the same house while the divorce was happening, was dreadful.

And he came out with a load of lies about me during the divorce - all the while I am sure playing the victim to his family and friends. (“It’s kind of unfair that your Dad did all the work but your Mum got the house” said one of his nephews to my dd. Which means that I am sure ex has given his family NO details about the reality of the settlement and how much he actually got). In his entire family there is only one person who has contacted me since our split, and she is the ex partner of a brother of his - but unlike me still visits his family (she never divorced the brother as they were not married - so there wasn’t the same drama and antagonism).

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why100000 · 27/02/2019 07:06

Even my solicitor said he was mean and horrible to me, sometimes nasty. And that he was up there amongst the most unpleasant litigants they had had to deal with.

But ex has now turned me into the hated enemy, and that’s hard.

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RedTartanLass · 27/02/2019 07:10

My ex does similar. Normally I run upstairs and "hide" when he drops kids off. Don't want to communicate with him. I just grey rock.

However I work full time and he works from his home, so he comes round sometimes when I'm at work to see the kids. I'm grateful he wants to see his kids, so many absent fathers don't, so I put up with it.

The other day I had a friend round while he dropped off kids, he came in with some food for the kids, and put it in the kitchen. I said "Hi". When he left my friend asked if I didn't mind the way he just walked in as if he still lived here.

But as much as I hate the man, I don't mind, he's seeing his kids and yes sometimes makes them food and leaves enough for me. I generally think of it as a positive.

My kids are teenagers too and more than capable of making their own dinner but he wants to see them, and that makes them happy which makes me happy.

When the kids are gone, there is not a snowball in hells chance he's getting in!!

He has also moved on quickly, we were together 20 years and apart 3 years so @why100000 I kinda know how you feel.

However don't feel hope that he wants back with you, you don't want back with him!! You're just lonely. I'm lonely. But rather be lonely than back with him!!!

You can do this, you've been through much worse!

saccade · 27/02/2019 08:17

I now remember an earlier post of yours regarding what your nephew said. It is heartbreaking that you have been ruminating on this for so long. I am angry with him for not giving you the headspace to recover from his abuse of you, but can you see that this is merely the continuation of the control he exerted over you in marriage - creating that state of loss and confusion? Still creating uncertainty with mixed messages so you don’t know where you stand with him and cannot move on. Making you meals (I know in your absence) but ignoring you! He is playing a game.

My heart breaks that you will not get the logic and the closure and the answers you deserve - because there aren’t any. Often women torture themselves with - what is the reason? He was nice to the kids but cold to me. He was nice to her but not to me. What could I have changed or done differently?

(He knew you could overhear when he spoke to that woman.)

The answer is - nothing. It wasn’t you. It was him.

He will be carrying this through to his next relationship, and the next one after that, and the next one after that. Unless he has his own counselling, his maladies cannot be fixed by a ‘right’ person. I’ll repeat - it was nothing you did, there was and is nothing you could do. It is purely him.

Every time you find your mind wandering to his life, who he’s with, what he’s doing, what his motivations are - just notice, without giving yourself a hard time about it, just how much time and headspace he is taking up.

I truly believe a great counsellor - and it’s brilliant you have this in mind, and like I say don’t be afraid to try a few people out of the first one doesn’t sit right - will be able to alter your perspective on the whole relationship. Part of this will be your own discovery that you, under no circumstances, will wish to return to any sort of relationship with him. As a consequence of that, those moments you are experiencing now where you feel his physical absence as pain, will indeed become relief; in time a circumspect gratitude that you were able to have and raise your children together, but no more.

I would continue to keep a diary, maybe a little notebook, and note down in detail incidents from the past that he has done, when they flash back to you, and how they made you feel. You can take it out and reread it in moments of weakness and ask yourself, are those the actions of someone who loved me.

It fans the flames that he has given a version to his family that you cannot challenge. How frustrating that must be.

Do you find he scapegoats one of the children, or treats them all quite equally?

And, do look into the Freedom Program if you haven’t already? You can do it online if you aren’t able to in person, though it’s always recommended to do it in person if you possibly can. Each tiny step you take is a great feat considering what you have been, and are going, through. Flowers

saccade · 27/02/2019 08:38

Oh just to add - notebook is good but continuing to post here even better! When I look back again at your OP I can see what is playing on your mind is the potential that he might be willing to change his behaviour and that you might get back together - do you still feel strongly this way?

Smotheroffive · 27/02/2019 14:53

All the awful stuff you speak of, that's why you never need him or want him in your life.

His abuses have had a long lasting effect on you, and that's common. It's not what you did, its what he did. I think you would find the freedom programme very helpful, as you could see all the other women saying exactly the same stuff! It's like you were all with the same bloke!(ahem, abuser).

Abuser he is, and despite all women just wanting it to stop, sadly it doesn't, there may be spells of not seeing it, that women desperately hope is the change that will make it all OK,but no-one who treats you like this should ever be allowed across your threshold again, its broken boundaries and he's dominating still by doing this. Don't think that it's not so he can't keep tabs and keep a foothold inside your life; that to any that were married to an abuser, if youve managed to get them out, keep them out, you have no idea what plans they may have. Always keep safe.

Happynow001 · 27/02/2019 15:36

The lines for both you and the children are blurred though aren't they? Neither they nor you can really think about mentally moving forwards whilst you are in this awful situation. He really does know what he's doing - after all he's had lots of practice and acknowledges that he's "a shit". Why can't he rent somewhere more suitable for six months (after all he had a fair division of funds?) where he can have proper scheduled child access? Every time he comes into your home it's like he's picking the scab of all the acrimony of the marriage and divorce. You really need to discuss this in counselling for yourself to help you resolve this and not allow this situation to continue for however long it takes for his permanent accommodation to be ready. 🌹🌹for you OP.

Happynow001 · 27/02/2019 15:57

I was with him for 22 years - a lifetime - I don’t know how you get over that. one moment at at time. One step at a time.

Write down and then re-read the things he said and did during those awful months when you were both still actually living in the same house. The way it made you feel - and imagine your daughter going through that. What advice would you give her?

You sound on the edge of a precipice. Be brave again OP and rebuild your boundaries. See if you can find a counsellor with a more open mind and the type of experience you need to strengthen you.

RandomMess · 27/02/2019 16:23

He comes into YOUR home to mark his territory and keep you in that place...

You need to be firm and say no more!

RandomMess · 27/02/2019 16:25

His contact with the DC is his problem, he can take them out for tea every day!

Monty27 · 28/02/2019 03:41

He's taking advantage of your vulnerability and using DC's. He's also marking his territory.
That should be your concern.
You'll never get your self esteem back while he's in your face.

StevieHuckle · 28/02/2019 03:58

Its a tough one. Especially having him there often. I don't necessarily think thats a bad thing either, infact its a good thing and familiar for the kids.

Its got to be difficult. At the end of the day we need a man, and I bet its difficult having him over all the time but at the same time making it difficult to have a life of your own. Is there no way to re- kindle your marriage or is that dead and buried?

rumptifizzer · 28/02/2019 05:05

He's trying to make you fat so nobody else wants you

He's playing silly mind games

why100000 · 01/03/2019 06:58

Hi

Thanks for all the messages.

I will definitely look into the freedom programme, as I think the best thing to do would be to try to change my whole mindset about the relationship.

While ex is building his house I don’t mind him coming to the house while I am work during the week. It means the dc and him see a lot of each other, and he also cooks for them which does help me tbh.

I have emailed him (no response but he does read my messages I think) asking him not to come into the house if he picks the kids up at the weekend - we’ll see if he listens.

Yes - step by step I will get over him / the marriage - though sometimes it doesn’t feel possible.

I guess just as during the latter part of the marriage I had so much hope that things would improve and he would be kinder, even now that hope is strangely not dead Confused. I existed on non-existent crumbs of affection then, and apparently my mind is still doing the same thing.

This current crisis was brought on by unexpectedly coming face to face with my ex in my house - so it really is better if he stays outside it if I am there.

His house should take 6 months to build, after which I am sure I will go through yet another cycle of grief as the dc start spending some of their time there - but it is also when I will change the locks to my house, and hopefully the boundaries will feel firmer.

Yes, I agree that it is difficult for my and the dc to find our feet at the moment, as we are in this kind of half-way house.

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why100000 · 01/03/2019 06:59

me

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why100000 · 01/03/2019 07:03

And yet the grief is just there. Awful. I wonder if ex feels it too, but maybe not if he is all loved up with his immediate replacement for me.

There were good things about my ex, as well as the abusive parts of him, just as we got on a lot better in earlier years.

However the emotional abuse was definitely also there, and I could think of hundreds of examples. I have been in a lot of emotional pain at times, and increasingly in the last years of my marriage.

So that’s why it had to end.

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Smotheroffive · 02/03/2019 08:01

All those reasons you state are exactly why he has to stay out of your home. It's weird..he's your ex!

It's toxic. You might not see it, but you owe this to yourself. It's really not about the good and the bad times. It's about what awful things he's actually done, the cruel person he is, and what he's actually capable of doing.

Get him away, as far as you possibly can, for all those reasons.

RandomMess · 02/03/2019 09:32

Please ban him from your house whilst you are there. It is REALLY messing with your head.

No more weekends he can pick the DC and take them out, he doesn't live there it is your property he has his and plenty on money. It's his choice to live somewhere "unsuitable" for the DC to go.

He is still treated your home like his and it is utterly disrespectful.

dudsville · 02/03/2019 09:35

Based on your furst post I'd have presumed he was trying to help your kids through a difficult patch by being a good father but subsequent posts obviously negate that. Keep your emotional and psychological barriers clear op.

lifebegins50 · 02/03/2019 11:02

You are still being triggered by him and you need to heal after years of abuse.

Ending an abusive marriage isn't the same as a "normal" bad marriage. You have a longer journey and need firm boundaries. I would recommend you look at counselling that understand toxic people but there are also resources online which are very useful.

I have had the same experience as you, he didn't expect the divorce to go through and he escalated his behaviour to a terrifying degree..none of this is love, even though the good times felt as if he loved me. In his mind he did love me but I was also subjected to stonewalling. The divorce process was traumatic and no one could believe how viscous he turned.

I am slowly getting to the stage where I sometimes feel pity for him.He is not a nice person and will not find genuine love because he only knows control and victimhood.

Ex ignores my messages re the children as well, just to punish me. When he does it I know it's a power play as he feels out of control.

I bet the food gestures are to tell others how kind he is, he will just drop it into conversation and they will think what a lovely man. It isn't about caring for you. He is lying to his children re OW, so proves he can't have changed.
I know in my case Ex is personality disordered (but very high functioning) and no amount of therapy can help as it's orgins are believed to be a nurture/nature so difficult to unravel.

How long will you have to tolerate him in your house?

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