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What would you think if your ex

145 replies

why100000 · 23/02/2019 19:49

If your ex, whom you weren’t on speaking terms with, but who regularly saw your kids, started doing the following - what would you think -

Leaving portions of food for you for when you got home from work (he comes to my house almost every day and cooks the dc their dinner - by the time I come home he has left) - he tells the kids to leave some food for me.

Dropping takeaway off for the dc at the weekend and there is (blatantly) enough for you as well.

Talking to one of your dc about you in general - what music you used to like, how you used to drink a lot of water (true) - stuff like that.

What would you think?

Clutching at straws I know

Bearing in mind it was a really difficult divorce.

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why100000 · 23/02/2019 22:24

I didn’t want the divorce - I just didn’t feel I had any other choice.

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SandyY2K · 23/02/2019 22:39

A feeder? Is he trying to get you fat?

If it wasn't food he was leaving for your DC, I'd suspect he was poisoning me, but I watch a lot of true crime.

SandyY2K · 23/02/2019 22:41

I didn’t want the divorce - I just didn’t feel I had any other choice.

He would have continued to be abusive to you, if you didn't get divorced.

That's no way to live.

why100000 · 23/02/2019 22:43

No he worries about people - well mainly the dc tbf - not eating enough. He has always cooked a lot and been generous food wise with visitors.

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why100000 · 23/02/2019 22:44

Yes,I know I had no choice but to get divorced - to break the ingrained cycle of behaviour. Or walk away from it basically.

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Gooseygoosey12345 · 23/02/2019 23:01

With regards to him moving on it's reckoned that men seem to move on quickly with someone else, don't take time to process emotions and then regret it later, whereas women don't move on so quickly, they go through all the horrible emotions first, then come to terms with it and are supposedly more equipped to move on after a longer period. I don't know if that's actually fact but from my experience it seems to be. I think he needs to stop coming to your house. It's not helping you in the slightest. The kids are old enough to speak to/see him when they want to. Please stop letting him manipulate your emotions any more than he already has. It's not fair and you deserve much more than that. Yes it's hard but he really does sound like an arsehole, do you really want that in your life?

Smotheroffive · 23/02/2019 23:46

Ifnhea doing this to satisfy his food worries, he needs to leave the DC well alone or will start up weird food relationships in them.

Just make sure you make it clear, this is your home, and he has his, and thendc can go over to his one night a week for food.

It's in no way weird that you would hide, not at all, it says a lot about whats going on. He should not be in your home anymore you are not practiced at putting boundaries in. You need to start Wink

It's what's he's doing that's weird!!

Cherrysoup · 23/02/2019 23:50

Are you honestly regretting leaving him? When he didn’t speak to you for weeks in order to punish you? What kind of twat does that to their partner? He’s an arsehole, OP. Stop letting him come to your house, it’s yours, not his, he has no right. The children can go to his unsuitable place, they won’t die.

YogaWannabe · 23/02/2019 23:51

Either he’s trying to make you question things so if he ever feels lonely he can hit you or he’s just being courteous and polite.

I would suggest you sort your boundaries though and mentally move on.

My DD dad who is long term with someone else, can occasionally be courteous too but I would (no offense at all OP, because I have been there) probably invest in counseling if I started questioning every detail and tarted getting pangs of “ooh does he want me back” because it would tell me I hadn’t quite moved on with my life the way I probably should have.

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YogaWannabe · 23/02/2019 23:52

hit you up , not hit* you Shock

Smotheroffive · 23/02/2019 23:59

It's no surprise you would feel this way, abusive relationships are hard to break away from emotionally, to disentangle psychologically, and disengage.

Have you been to a freedom programme, it will help with all the realisations of what a dark and evil individual (yet charming I'm sure) with malice entrenched he is.

It will bring you fully to your free senses, and to feel those fears you lived with all the while you lived with him..you've heard of Sleeping with the Enemy? Hmm. Well that's him. He's your enemy, to doubt it puts you and your DC at risk. You had to divorce him now detach him...properly.

my2boysmyworld · 24/02/2019 01:11

I am currently going through a divorce after being married for 11 years and in the relationship for 24. Almost everyday i question myself and ask if going back is the answer, the truth is that going back would make my life a whole lot worse than it is now for for me and my boys. You need to remember why you filed for divorce in the first place, being single is tough at times and brings with it many challenges. I had to cut communication in the end and only discuss our children, this was the only way i found i could get along with her. It sounds as though he is the one wanting to get back. Stay strong and the best of luck.

grilledcheez · 24/02/2019 01:49

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Bluerussian · 24/02/2019 01:53

Sounds very pleasant to me. What's the harm?

PinaColada1 · 24/02/2019 02:27

But if I say he can’t come here at all I would really upset the dc (two of them anyway), and he literally wouldn’t see them for days.

Speaking from experience, these are not good reasons to allow him to continue to come to your house. So what if he doesn’t see them for days. He provides them with a good home and space, and they have to get used to seeing him in his house. If he doesn’t do this, the chikdren learn what he is like sooner. You are no longer the buffer for them with their Dad. Your job is to be a great mum and a happy person. That is it. Not to accomodate them in any way for their Dad. You do not provide anything for him anymore.

It honestly is the only way forward.

PinaColada1 · 24/02/2019 02:31

@grilledcheese I think this only works, this separated but still in a partnership, when both parties are happy not to form long and good new relationships with other people. For some people this can work but it’s because they are happy not to move on, but have the other person as their primary relationship, even if the sex has stopped and they are not living together.

In this case, the relationship sounded bad, and the man jumped into another relationship and is likely to be looking for another. It will only cause pain and confusion all round.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 24/02/2019 03:41

He called the fact that your DC would be living with you after your divorce 'The Experiment'? What a patronising arsehole. Angry Let me guess, this was an attempt to sew the seed of self doubt in your parenting abilities and carry on his control with you walking on eggshells in your own home, whilst The Experiment Judge decides if you pass muster with the velied threat that if not he'll whip away your DC from you or something?

lyralalala · 24/02/2019 05:30

The long and the short of it is that instead of selling those assets to get something bigger, ex is adding to them - he bought a plot of land and is building himself a house. While living in a - completely unsuitable for the dc - property that he owns.

So he could have had a property that the DC could visit and stay with him in. Instead he has chosen an option that means for an indeterminate length of time he gets to come into your home every day.

He controls when you come home to your home. He controls (or at least is trying to) what you eat.

That example of a bad marriage that you didn't want the children to see is still being played out in front of them OP.

pissedonatrain · 24/02/2019 06:15

I think it is time to stop feeling sorry and guilty and begin to put yourself first.

Tell your ex that HE needs to find somewhere else besides your home to visit the kids. What exactly is wrong with the property he owns that the kids can't visit him there? He's not living in a tent is he?

Then gently explain to your kids that you need some space to heal. They are old enough to consider your feelings too.

Time to put your foot down so you can at least begin to move on in your mind from the divorce.

why100000 · 24/02/2019 06:44

Let me guess, this was an attempt to sew the seed of self doubt in your parenting abilities

The day before the second hearing (and luckily we settled then, and didn’t have to go to the third), in an email to my solicitor, he said that - I can’t remember the exact words he used - I had never known how to look after the children’s best interests. But he was awful during the divorce - once he realised it was really going ahead (I took him to court over the finances for various legitimate reasons).

Before he realised the divorce was serious, he did make an attempt to patch things up - but this was following literally months and months of us being estranged in the same house, and by that time I had seen a light at the end of the tunnel in terms of future freedom (I had been to see a solicitor who helped me all the way through the process - she did write to him suggesting mediation several times but he ignored that completely, and when he sold a property of his, she suggested we initiate financial proceedings, which is when he started to take notice) and I didn’t trust his about turn. But part of me was very tempted to get back into his bed - literally. This was after months and months of my sleeping on my dd’s bottom bunk.

So I let things proceed, and it was at that point that he was apparently immediately with someone else, and also during the financial proceedings he was really awful. Making them a lot more expensive.

However his attempt at patching things up haunts me at the moment - because some of it was heartfelt - and watching his disarray was very very hard.

I don’t know how I got through it all. After the divorce became serious, we were in the same house for another 7 awful months. This is following being estranged for almost a year (after an outburst of his which was the straw that broke the camel’s back).

What an actual nightmare.

He moved out in April of last year, and when you add the estrangement / divorce process and actual separation together - it is now a long time since I have known anything about his life.

So I don’t know what realisations he may have come to, or how he has changed.

I was with him for 22 years - a lifetime - I don’t know how you get over that. I know lots of people are in the same situation.

He has a lovely side to him, but I would say is maladjusted in relational terms - reacting very defensively to perceived slights - which is where the sometimes short temper and silent treatments come in. Yes and he also had a controlling side - I now have much much more autonomy. I actually have an input and a voice in terms of things that only he would have controlled - house and finance related.

But beneath all of that, I would say that the reasons we got together in the first place, pushing aside all the issues we have had (and there are things I could/should have done differently in the relationship) are still there. There is some way in which we are very similar - it is going to sound mad - some kind of vibrational frequency. And we have a family together.

His coming inside the house at the weekends is a problem - it sets me back. Yesterday I hid when he was picking my ds up, and then made sure I was out when he dropped him back off (but our cars crossed on the street Sad). So I wasted a lot of time because I had wanted to finish painting a room and I was on tenterhooks wondering when he was going to reappear.

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Monty27 · 24/02/2019 06:59

Yes he's trying to tell the DC's how lovely he is.
Whether or not he is or was you have to grin and bear it. So he's in charge. Hth.

why100000 · 24/02/2019 07:04

I really don’t mind his coming here during the week when I am at work, and time wise it would be very difficult for the dc to go to his.

I was so hurt by his immediate relationship - because it was so obvious and we were sharing a house. The long late night phone calls, new clothe and underwear, having showers and going out. While we were forced to live together, still estranged. And the shock when I first realised - that was a really horrible night. Luckily I managed to speak to three family members the night that I first realised (I had heard the actual words of one of his phone calls) even though it was quite late - because that night was was dreadful.

I suppose the one good thing about it is that very quickly - all in one go - I had to get used to the idea of him with someone else.

After that when I heard him downstairs very late - on the phone for hours (maybe I was in bed) I would be driven to distraction - putting earphones in, coming downstairs to clean the kitchen Hmm, going for walks at midnight.

I don’t know if he is still what this person - though my dds report various photos that he has on his walls. One of my dds asked him who one particular person was, and he lied and said it was me years ago.

What I am trying to say - sorry for rambling on - is that he has been in or is still in another relationship - and irrationally or not I feel a sense of hurt and betrayal. So I can’t do a casual hi if I see him (and I don’t know if he would answer in any case or how awkward it might be) as the hurt is still massive and all pervasive, and really raw. I don’t know how to put it into words. I didn’t want to lose my husband (and now he is someone else’s- or at least has been), but too many aspects of his behaviour were untenable.

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why100000 · 24/02/2019 07:07

with someone else

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Whereareyouspot · 24/02/2019 07:11

Op you won’t be able to actually begin the process of knowing and trusting and liking yourself until he isn’t still there like a ghost in the shadows

You don’t even have a space that is truly yours free of his presence

Politely be firmly this arrangement had to stop

Your children aren’t babies who he wants to put to bed

Yes you are trying to maintain a status quo for them but at the expense of your own mental health

Explain kindly and calmly to the dc that dad being in the house is difficult for you because he wasn’t always kind when you were married and you find it very hard

They may complain but that’s normal

His house must have some form of cooking facilities and if not well he can take them out to eat or make a sandwich

Limit contact days to fixed days and then they still get a hot tea at your house some days (slow cooker as a pp said is a godsend)

Pls start to prioritise your own happiness and wellbeing OP

The kids willleave home and you will have spent five years in limbo not even starting to emotionally heal

You deserve a life. You really do.

He isn’t the man for you. You tried plenty long enough and leaving you the odd portion of food does NOT wipe away years of emotional abuse

Break free

why100000 · 24/02/2019 07:14

So he's in charge.

I guess from my point of view things are so much better than they were him being in charge wise. He used to spend several hours at my house at the weekend, and I used to go out, but I really put my foot down and he stopped doing that, and switched to coming over while I am at work during the week. That was a massive improvement.

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