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Confronting DH about his sulking...part2

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jamaisjedors · 04/02/2019 12:12

New thread :
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/3448545-Confronting-DH-about-his-sulking?msgid=84022238

First one is running out of space due to all the amazing support I have had from all you mners!

To summarize, H is a serious sulker, gives me the silent treatment to get his own way or to "punish" me.

I was ready to leave, almost out the door over Christmas/New year.

Things have calmed down now as he has agreed to see a psychotherapist and suggested marriage counselling. I have my own psychotherapist.

Now trying to work through why on earth this has happened and make a calm, rational decision about my future and our family's future.

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Fairenuff · 03/04/2019 11:58

Why do you need an excuse to have time to yourself if that's what the therapist suggested?

Just tell him you are following the suggestion and he is welcome to take some time for himself too.

RandomMess · 03/04/2019 12:07

Agree with Fairnuff. Tell him you taking DC to visit your Mum isn't a break so you are doing this instead.

jamaisjedors · 03/04/2019 12:16

I agree it's totally justified, H was a boy taken aback when I originally said it wouldn't be a break for me and maybe HE could take the DC away but it will not be a problem with him.

It's explaining where I am to the dc, particularly as it will be the school holidays.

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Fairenuff · 03/04/2019 12:30

You can legitimately tell the dcs you are house-sitting for a friend. Tell them you won't be far away and they can call whenever they want.

jamaisjedors · 03/04/2019 12:47

Good idea.

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jamaisjedors · 04/04/2019 19:23

So. H got back last night (around 11.30pm), as soon as I heard his key in the lock I felt sick, and then when he came up to bed I think I was in "flight" mode, twitchy and no way I could go back to sleep.

Today I picked him up for the joint counselling and he says he is probably going to go away after all. I haven't mentioned anything about having somewhere to go, so I just asked him to tell me when he is going so that we can get organised.

Session was pretty horrible.

H was not engaging at all. The therapist kept trying to push him to say if he could see what needed to be worked on in the relationship to move forward. She also questioned him about why he is saying it's impossible to work on our relationship right now because we are "in conflict". He couldn't say what the conflict actually was, but basically it was because I had dropped this "idea of separation" on him and so made it impossible.

She had asked us at the previous session to think about what we want out of a relationship so that we could talk it over with her and see whether it was feasible to stay together and work towards that.

He had totally "forgotten" that. She had to ask him several times if he would be willing to discuss this in the sessions and if he saw that by being there, I was making an effort to work on things.

I started the session by saying that I was discouraged because on the one hand I felt we had made some important breakthroughs (or at least discussed important issues) in the sessions but that it didn't seem to make any difference to H's behaviour and that he seemed not to remember any of it.

This turned out to be true, because when she asked him to identify what was wrong with our relationship, he didn't bring up the "sulking" or the lack of conflict resolution at all. He just said he thought I wanted a bit more attention.

He also said that right now I am so distant that he doesn't feel like making an effort and that he has done a lot of thinking and that most of it is negative and leading to a separation ultimately.

On the way home, I said we need to talk very soon about how to handle the holidays and the next couple of weeks. He agreed that we should talk this weekend.

I am tempted at this stage to just say, ok, this is it for me, I want out now.

Seeing as he is seeing things that way too currently, his ego might be protected which could make the discussions and negotiations a lot easier and might even mean we can talk rationally about what to do with the kids.

On the other hand, once we got home he was all super chirpy and cooking dinner etc. God knows what that was.

He is working now. Of course.

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Lisette1940 · 04/04/2019 19:28

You've the patience of a saint.

RandomMess · 04/04/2019 19:31

I wonder if he is trying to call your bluff and thinking you will coming running to beg him to make the marriage work?

jamaisjedors · 04/04/2019 19:36

I don't know? I have no idea.

I some kind of stupid way I am almost annoyed now that I have made my mind up to leave HIM, and now he seems to be threatening to leave ME.

Totally petty I know and I am trying to take the long view here, a mutual agreement would make things easier to explain to the DC (not "mummy left you/us") and to split money etc.

Lisette that is the first time anyone has said I'm patient - one of H's things is that I am totally impatient and always in a hurry to do things.

I do think I have been trying to deliberately not just run out the door and take the time to make the right decision, but it is excruciating starting all over again at each joint session.

We have another one scheduled for after Easter but I think either we won't use it or we will use it to help discuss organisation of the separation calmly.

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RandomMess · 04/04/2019 19:39

Turn it around and "blame" him Wink

DH you have clearly decided our marriage isn't working as you said in therapy, how quickly can you give me and the boys my share of our equity?

jamaisjedors · 04/04/2019 19:42

Yes, why not? Am sick of being passive.

Really now I just want to tell him what is happening next, ie, he can stay in the house to keep a stable environment for the DC, I will move closer to my job and to DS1's school, and I am actively looking for a house.

I was scared it would be horrendous living in the same house if it takes some time to find somewhere to live, but actually it's horrendous now anyway, and at least if it was out in the open, we could just actively avoid each other and I could start organising and packing (without the DC seeing yet obviously).

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springydaff · 04/04/2019 21:00

once we got home he was all super chirpy and cooking dinner etc. God knows what that was.

He was high from having fucked you - and the therapist - over. He enjoys all that stuff, gets off on it. Major treat for him to get you both running around trying to help him 'remember'. He remembers everything. He needs no reminding. His saying he took from it that all you need is more attention was an act of contempt.

Your apparent rushing to make decisions is him not liking you making independent decisions. So he derides you. I doubt very much if you do rush, it's just something he plucked out of the air to destabilise you.

Mix56 · 04/04/2019 21:13

I still think he is in denial, he doesn't think you will go through with it, & him saying he thinks this is moving towards separation, is meant to frighten you & you will realize the error of your ways !!! (Haha)
I think you should indeed say, "as you are now decided we are separating, we should decide how you announce to DC that you think that we should separate"...
Maybe a little bit of trickery, but whatever...

TowelNumber42 · 04/04/2019 21:14

What springy said.

He got you wound up and on the back foot. Win. Big man. Therapist bitch too. Double win.

FrozenMargarita17 · 04/04/2019 22:33

I think springy's got it.

Fairenuff · 04/04/2019 23:04

Is there any chance he could be reading this thread?

Does he know you use mn?

Two things you have talked about recently that he has tried to 'hijack'.

One is going away on your own to stay at your friends house now he says he will probably go away after all.

The other is you being clearer on here that you do want to separate and now he is talking about separation as if to pre-empt you.

Soverytiredofeverythinggoingon · 04/04/2019 23:38

Oh god yes he's cock a hoop at thinking he is winning :( Sorry :( Don't let him do that, do what you want!

Lockcodger · 05/04/2019 00:36

Jamais I'm 99% sure your husband is a narcissist. please read my thread on Arsehole or narcissist? and see if it rings true with you ❤ YouTube have alot of helpful videos about narcissists and how to manage communication with them and how to prepare for a divorce from one. Prepare to be in for a fight and keep your plans for leaving a secret incase he becomes violent

LizzieSiddal · 05/04/2019 07:13

Don’t think he’s taken control because he hasn’t. You are in control, you’re on final stretch and the only reason you haven’t moved out is because you can’t find somewhere to live.
What he thinks about your marriage is irrelevant to you and your plans. Find that house and get the heck out of there.

jamaisjedors · 05/04/2019 07:32

Morning all.

Amazingly, I actually slept right through last night. I had a bit of a cry before I went to sleep but I feel so much better this morning.

I am definitely thinking that this weekend we need to discuss practicalities.

I'm going to email my solicitor today to find out what the next step and what information to assemble so as not to be wrong-footed by H.

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FrozenMargarita17 · 05/04/2019 08:21

Glad you had some sleep, op. And I hope you get some answers from your solicitor.

Mix56 · 05/04/2019 08:42

And quite likely he would prefer going away without the DC? That way you get the work, right ? If so, he can go , then you can go, which doubles your time free of him to rest & plan....win win

jamaisjedors · 05/04/2019 08:48

Absolutely, I suspect he will, because it's quite late to cancel for a big family get-together and it will totally be win-win, we will have a few days "together" next week and then he will be away and then me.

However, if the decision to separate is out in the open, I'm not sure he will go, because it would be pretty hard to see all your extended family in those circumstances (he would get to bad mouth me first though Grin ).

I still have the option at any point from now on to go and stay in my colleague's apartment so that gives me peace of mind.

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ScreamingLadySutch · 05/04/2019 09:24

"I some kind of stupid way I am almost annoyed now that I have made my mind up to leave HIM, and now he seems to be threatening to leave ME. "

Narcissists reject you before you can reject them.

jamaisjedors · 05/04/2019 09:31

Yes I have heard that. To reply to Lockcodger above, H doesn't really fit into any of the description you gave of narcissists.

To be honest at this point I have expended so much energy on analysing what is going on with him, that right now I just want to move on.

I am reading a book recommended upthread, living with the passive-agressive man.

A lot of it rings true, but mostly it is the way H has avoided conflict and stored up inside him every last disagreement or irritation until he is seething with it which has destroyed our relationship.

He clearly cannot see that and won't address it at all, even when the therapist asks him outright.

If it's easier for him to feel that he made the decision and it helps him recover afterwards, who cares what the truth is? It'll be so much better for the DC to have us both in agreement and not just one aggreived party.

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