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And now, something completly different :(

115 replies

Hugless · 25/01/2019 23:44

Not sure where to begin, so let's move back in time a bit- say to 2004.

We met, it's been great, all blows and whistles, she moved in next year, all great, both busy working, I popped a question in 2007 (who knows why, just felt like something that was supposed to happen- she wasn't in any way pushing for anything). Got married in 2008, begun renting a house from a bank :), first child in 2009, second in 2011.
In the meanwhile I happened to be unlucky enough to be made redundant- it's been hell- trying to get Mrs Organic Waitrose/ Ocado/ John Lewis to get reality check and just reduce spending- as far as she was concerned it just wasn't possible. Explaining that we can not spend more than we bring in was just too upsetting for her(she was looking after kids). I tried to give in here and there but it was always too much to bear for her. After second child sex practically ceased to exist (It has been super extra phenomenal before and all of the sudden practically everything except penetration (rarely) was a big NO NO). Obviously, it was all my fault. Fair enough, to some extent I can now see mistakes I made but being down to earth person I just cant justify living above means.

Pour yourself one, there is more to come :)

I was more and more annoyed with everything, we started arguing, no fights or anything, just, let's say heated exchanges. 2013- reality check- £50k in debt, property in negative equity, marriage, eh what marriage...

2014- she moved on. I mean moved out. Not too far but still. So we are separated but how the hell are we supposed to be separated and also look after kids? Didn't have to get courts involved, all sorted out amicably. It's been a very strange experience- to me it feels as though we have separate bedrooms and marriage lacking intimacy...

Next 4 years have been patchy and weird- although we lived separate lives we still took kids on holiday together (separate bedrooms and so on) and we pretty much communicated one way or the other every day)

My friends are like "let's go to Amsterdam, they'll sort you out there" and I know they mean well but this just isn't my style...

OK, I see you are nodding off, so straight to the point, well almost...

My, well kind of wife (not sure if there is a term for this contraption but as far as law is concerned we are still married but not cohabiting) has a habit of requesting husband services (that do not require taking cloths off) on regular basis. Ikea furniture turned up, put it together will you, it's for kids (some of it,sure, most of it not). Sink blocked, help. PC has a virus, Alexa playing up, Internet not working, bulb in the bog blown, rubbish needs taking out, pick me up, drop me off, pick something up from somewhere, kids flushed a roll of TP down the toilet, sort it out, my oversized, overweight mattress needs turning and so on...

And now, if you are still conscious- WE are going places- "kids need holiday and since you have a car we need to go" places. So far I never said no but I've recently came across my ex's post's on another forum slagging me off for not contributing to this events- WTF. OK, I'm kids father but if she's organizing something that is in remote location she should take care of all aspects, shouldn't she, or am I politically incorrect? (was told off for suggesting a train before)I never refused but as far as I was concerned I was just a driver on £0 pay...

Still here? OK, nearly there.

We have run out of things to argue about some moths ago, our current situation almost perfectly fits "white marriage" definition. And I don't know what to do. When we are together, alone, she often refers to me as "husband" (generally whenever she needs something done that exceeds her abilities) but everywhere else I'm just an EX- a mistake she made...

She is a gorgeous woman, I find her attractive, she's mad as a broom stick sometimes and this isn't really helping. If this was a "friends with benefits" arrangement I could probably live with it and be happy- but it isn't...

OK, now finally a question- WTF am I supposed to do?? I'm living alone since 2014 and in a way find it OK- kids stay with me pretty much whenever they want, mostly weekends- she has never restricted access to kids and childcare is split more or less 50/50 but I just need a hug every now and then (read "daily")

Not going to beg for it- it was her choice to move out, I'd probably do the same if I were in her shoes. But ain't dead yet- and I love hugs...

OK, you look rough- thanks for reading. Have a little break...

OP posts:
whoischerylsstylist · 25/01/2019 23:49

Do you love her?
If you do you should make overtures to give it another go, but to be honest it sounds like she's using you. You should move on.

Howdoidothis4eva · 25/01/2019 23:51

Not sure of your point here??

Are you wondering whether to divorce, or make clearer boundaries, or do you want to try again with her, or do you want to start dating other women again?

category12 · 26/01/2019 00:09

Well, you split up. So the place you should be looking for hugs is not her.

You're not obliged to help her with DIY etc if you don't want to.

OldWomanSaysThis · 26/01/2019 00:16

Divorce. Set boundaries. Move on.

KarmaKiller · 26/01/2019 00:16

OP I don't have any advice, i am recently separated, still muddling through with DCs. Hope you are ok, but have a hug through the Ethernet ((()))

PolkaDoting · 26/01/2019 00:43

Stop being such a doormat. She doesn’t appreciate the stuff you do for her, so stop.

Lozzerbmc · 26/01/2019 05:13

I think she is taking advantage of you she shouldnt be getting you to do jobs thats her problem. Ok if it was putting childrens furniture together i can understand that but not general help. Perhaps a discussion on divorce might crystallise feelings? If she does not want to reconcile you need to accept and move on. Good luck

dilly123 · 26/01/2019 06:40

Definitely wouldn't waste anymore time believing this is a marriage it's a friendship & a completely one sided friendship at that... best way forward is to divorce, set clear financial plan ie: child maintenance & separate your life from hers... you can still be amicable & a great father but you're just being used now... Don't let life pass you by

MumsyJ · 26/01/2019 07:09

OP, I think it's time to Move on, 2014 is a hell of a long time to be separated without seeing someone else or do you feel guilty because she isn't seeing someone else? I think her mind's made up but time for her to understand she can't have her cake and eat it.
You need to suggest getting a divorce plus when you start seeing someone else, I don't think she'll be fine with this madam ex constantly needing your attention. Time to put a stop to this nonsense .

Hugless · 26/01/2019 07:11

Thanks all.

Do I love her? I couldn't honestly say. I don't even know what that words means exactly. Funny how it has changed its meaning over 20 or so years.

Setting boundaries- sounds easy enough- kind of tried that at the beginning of our "soft separation" didn't work. She needed help with kids so I was in attendance daily for three years. My social life became nonexistent (ok to be fair hers too). And to top it all with we argued a lot. Mostly about £££. We have amicably agreed child maintenance @£15k/ year but that wasn't enough (she never requested any spousal maintenance). I know she spends that on kids, so I don't mind but sometimes seeing poor economical choices she was making was driving me nuts. Two years ago I had to amend my work hours to be able to pick kids up from school few days a week- this resulted in changes in salary- I clearly explained that I'm prepared to do it but I will have to reduce maintenance to £10k/year to make it work. Amount of grief I got for this was just unbelievable- I robbed the kids apparently...

Eventually she has adjusted to new T&C's. We have practically stopped arguing and last year has been quietest to date. What a relief.

I appreciate that being a single parent is exhausting (especially if support network is poor and closest family lives abroad) but FFS people manage somehow, why can't we?

What annoys me the most is situations when she asks (requests) favors- everything is "for kids" and if I refuse then immediately I'm the worst person in the world and don't care about kids. I do care but I'm also trying to have a little bit of life myself, without much joy so far...

Ok, nuff moaning (for now), picking kids up in an hour and I'm absolutely 1000% sure they will not be ready nor will be their gear for the weekend. Amazing what we can get used to, isn't it...

Guess my problem is that I've no clue how to deal with all this anymore (not that I had any clue how to deal with this earlier- things were happening in real time).

She's on a mortgage, and even though she hasn't contributed for 7 years she is still legally entitled to 25% (paid her a lump sum to reduce her equity). Bank is happy to remove her from the mortgage but she declined to sign paperwork- apparently I'm not even allowed to sell without her consent. So to top it all, we also share credit history and sharing that with someone who is crap with money is, well, a bumpy ride sometimes...

I know, it's my mess and no one will clean it up for me but if it helps someone make better choices than I did, I'll call it a success...

Hugs& kisses

OP posts:
Karwomannghia · 26/01/2019 07:14

Time to meet someone else!

Bess78 · 26/01/2019 07:22

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NotANotMan · 26/01/2019 07:22

Mediation?

GloomyMonday · 26/01/2019 07:43

Tell her you're tired of the limbo existence and want to formalise things so that you can move on.

See a solicitor to get the ball rolling, and suggest she does the same.

Split assets fairly, and agree maintenance (if any, given that care is 50/50). Be generous if a sudden withdrawal or decrease in funds would cause hardship, or if you instigated the separation and made promises about how things would be that you are now doing a u-turn on.

Ignore texts and phone calls that are not about the children until she gets the message.

Regarding chores and holidays - you say 'that's not really my job any more' or 'I think I'd like to take the kids away by myself this year'. And stick to it.

Depending on ages of children, you can explain all of this to them - mum and I are still friends and love you lots, but I'm going to spend less time at your house because after four years I think I need to give your mum space to move on, and I need my own space too.

Bezalelle · 26/01/2019 07:45

Just because this is Mumsnet, you don't need to patronise us with the oddly jocular writing style that so many guys tend to use on here. You may get more useful responses if you drop the weird quips.

dilly123 · 26/01/2019 07:45

She's on a right cushy number!!!
When a couple decide to separate they have to accept huge changes will happen to their lifestyle.. both parties have to make financial sacrifices basically you have to downsize everything housing, spending. A new fair compromise has to be reached so kids are still provided for (although maybe not as luxuriously as before) & both parties can have a life.. She cannot expect to live the same life as she did in the marital home. If someone is that unhappy they want out then they would accept that their freedom has a price for the whole family.

Djnoun · 26/01/2019 07:47

Just say no.

ZenNudist · 26/01/2019 07:53

Divorce. Set boundaries. Move on

^this

Also, use fewer words.

PoutySprout · 26/01/2019 07:54

all blows and whistles,

I didn’t get past this.

FiveStoryFire · 26/01/2019 08:05

Agree with divorce, boundaries and moving on too.

Learn how to say no.

ralphfromlordoftheflies · 26/01/2019 08:38

Sorry, I can't advise as your writing style is so irritating and has caused bias

Anotheronebitesthefluff · 26/01/2019 08:47

Just because this is Mumsnet, you don't need to patronise us with the oddly jocular writing style that so many guys tend to use on here.

Yes! I couldn't figure out why it was always so easy to tell that the poster was a man, and why they all come across as so condescending.

sackrifice · 26/01/2019 08:56

Get a divorce? Not too hard to work this one out. Be less odd.

Why is it something completely different? Seems very samey to me.

Hugless · 26/01/2019 09:24

OK, got it, my posts are too long. I personally blame the management for this one...

OP posts:
abbsisspartacus · 26/01/2019 09:34

Right I'm ignoring the patronising parts of your post

If it's over 5 years you can divorce without her permission the finances take longer but get the ball rolling on the divorce

What does csa say you should be contributing if it is more pay it

In your opinion she is on to a right cushy lifestyle true or not I've no idea but you need to set boundaries does she have another partner? Let them do the flat pack

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