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And now, something completly different :(

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Hugless · 25/01/2019 23:44

Not sure where to begin, so let's move back in time a bit- say to 2004.

We met, it's been great, all blows and whistles, she moved in next year, all great, both busy working, I popped a question in 2007 (who knows why, just felt like something that was supposed to happen- she wasn't in any way pushing for anything). Got married in 2008, begun renting a house from a bank :), first child in 2009, second in 2011.
In the meanwhile I happened to be unlucky enough to be made redundant- it's been hell- trying to get Mrs Organic Waitrose/ Ocado/ John Lewis to get reality check and just reduce spending- as far as she was concerned it just wasn't possible. Explaining that we can not spend more than we bring in was just too upsetting for her(she was looking after kids). I tried to give in here and there but it was always too much to bear for her. After second child sex practically ceased to exist (It has been super extra phenomenal before and all of the sudden practically everything except penetration (rarely) was a big NO NO). Obviously, it was all my fault. Fair enough, to some extent I can now see mistakes I made but being down to earth person I just cant justify living above means.

Pour yourself one, there is more to come :)

I was more and more annoyed with everything, we started arguing, no fights or anything, just, let's say heated exchanges. 2013- reality check- £50k in debt, property in negative equity, marriage, eh what marriage...

2014- she moved on. I mean moved out. Not too far but still. So we are separated but how the hell are we supposed to be separated and also look after kids? Didn't have to get courts involved, all sorted out amicably. It's been a very strange experience- to me it feels as though we have separate bedrooms and marriage lacking intimacy...

Next 4 years have been patchy and weird- although we lived separate lives we still took kids on holiday together (separate bedrooms and so on) and we pretty much communicated one way or the other every day)

My friends are like "let's go to Amsterdam, they'll sort you out there" and I know they mean well but this just isn't my style...

OK, I see you are nodding off, so straight to the point, well almost...

My, well kind of wife (not sure if there is a term for this contraption but as far as law is concerned we are still married but not cohabiting) has a habit of requesting husband services (that do not require taking cloths off) on regular basis. Ikea furniture turned up, put it together will you, it's for kids (some of it,sure, most of it not). Sink blocked, help. PC has a virus, Alexa playing up, Internet not working, bulb in the bog blown, rubbish needs taking out, pick me up, drop me off, pick something up from somewhere, kids flushed a roll of TP down the toilet, sort it out, my oversized, overweight mattress needs turning and so on...

And now, if you are still conscious- WE are going places- "kids need holiday and since you have a car we need to go" places. So far I never said no but I've recently came across my ex's post's on another forum slagging me off for not contributing to this events- WTF. OK, I'm kids father but if she's organizing something that is in remote location she should take care of all aspects, shouldn't she, or am I politically incorrect? (was told off for suggesting a train before)I never refused but as far as I was concerned I was just a driver on £0 pay...

Still here? OK, nearly there.

We have run out of things to argue about some moths ago, our current situation almost perfectly fits "white marriage" definition. And I don't know what to do. When we are together, alone, she often refers to me as "husband" (generally whenever she needs something done that exceeds her abilities) but everywhere else I'm just an EX- a mistake she made...

She is a gorgeous woman, I find her attractive, she's mad as a broom stick sometimes and this isn't really helping. If this was a "friends with benefits" arrangement I could probably live with it and be happy- but it isn't...

OK, now finally a question- WTF am I supposed to do?? I'm living alone since 2014 and in a way find it OK- kids stay with me pretty much whenever they want, mostly weekends- she has never restricted access to kids and childcare is split more or less 50/50 but I just need a hug every now and then (read "daily")

Not going to beg for it- it was her choice to move out, I'd probably do the same if I were in her shoes. But ain't dead yet- and I love hugs...

OK, you look rough- thanks for reading. Have a little break...

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Hugless · 28/01/2019 22:28

see, this is exactly why I started this thread- to convince myself that I'm not a selfish and terrible bastard.
The bulb change thing pisses me off but it was kids bedroom. Yes, OK, agreed, pathetic. ..

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Lifeisabeach09 · 28/01/2019 22:30

Agree with PPs.
You are being used. She wants you as a husband when it suits her.
Start saying 'no' to some but not all things.
File for divorce.
Get a new partner. Things will change fast when you are less available.

category12 · 28/01/2019 22:36

Heh, well in the name of amicability, I would change a light bulb, because it's like 2 minutes out of your life when you're picking up the kids or something.

I wouldn't be doing DIY or making special visits to do such things.

But it all depends where you want to draw the line, doesn't it?

category12 · 28/01/2019 22:44

Well, that might be correct but I also miss HUGS and that is taking over..

And I'm not sure what you missing hugs has to do with it. You're broken up. Have been for quite some time. So start dating.

Hugless · 28/01/2019 22:48

Guess line has been drawn a while back. I just needed some time to put it all together in some kind of reasonable order. Everyone is different, some need few weeks, some few years. I only hope that she will keep her promise and , mmm, let it go...

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PolkaDoting · 28/01/2019 22:50

How is that not fair [ confused]

It will always be easier in the short term to do what she wants.

Hugless · 28/01/2019 22:54

just deleted what I wrote. Wasn't long or funny.
I'd rather be properly single before I start looking for someone to hug...

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Hugless · 28/01/2019 22:59

Polka, you are probably right, I know it will have to end sometime.
At the moment I have other things on my mind- like keeping the house, so bulb change, no matter how annoying I find it is the least of my problems.
Yet to have another "serious" chat with ex, about all this paperwork that just will not fill itself in. What could possibly go wrong...

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Porridgeoat · 28/01/2019 23:24

You say she hasn’t contributed for 7 years but in fact she has contributed massively by being the main carer for your children.

Personally I would start showing her how to do things. Bulb changes, building flat pack stuff. Whatever. So if she asks for help, offer your services on the condition you do it together so that she knows for next time.

Porridgeoat · 28/01/2019 23:27

Could you suggest a car share? So you both drive it? She can run her own errands. Separate holidays.

BanditoShipman · 28/01/2019 23:44

I think youve probably killed all her love or desire for you by being a bit, well, creepy. All this shit about ‘hugs’ when you mean sex is just bleurgh and you come across as really wimpy.

Also I don’t think you can be a particularly nice person if your friends are suggesting you go to a brothel. Grim. Who has friends like that?

Hugless · 29/01/2019 00:23

Thanks for your contribution Bandito. I don't mind.

If I was lacking sex, this is the last place I'd be bragging about it...

Friends are funny monsters sometimes, they do and say stupid s**t with best intentions,I don't mind and I love them for being just that- open, honest, mischievous and there when I need them.

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chestylarue52 · 29/01/2019 12:17

She can change a bulb ffs.

ravenmum · 29/01/2019 16:35

"run out of medicines, do you mind going to pharmacy few miles away to collect and bring over? Well, I do mind but if I don't I'm a total selfish knob , ain't I?
Well, no.

The only thing I have asked my ex to do for me in the last 4 years (we broke up the same time as you) is to look after the dog for a few hours every now and then. (We bought the dog together.) He has said no to that several times.

He also offered to move two pieces of furniture for me when I moved, in return for me leaving him some furniture he wanted. That's it. I did all the rest of the move alone - did most of the DIY in the new place myself and hired a handyman to do some of the dodgier electric jobs. Looked it up on Youtube if I didn't know which drill bit to use etc. Didn't need Youtube for the lightbulbs, obviously, as I've been changing those since I left home in my teens. Like every other adult.

Just let her get on with it. Maybe she needs dropping in the deep end. I wouldn't baby her. A nice chat along the lines of "I think we need to keep our lives more separate as it's confusing for the kids and makes it hard for either of us to find a new partner. We both need to move on with our lives and spending so much time together is no good for us." Always underlining that it's the best for everyone, not just that you are pissed off with it. Or lie and say you have a new partner and she doesn't like you spending so much time with your ex!

BellPresser · 29/01/2019 17:48

Hi, I’m also a foreigner, but I’m a female. Whenever I write, I write in this style too. I don’t know why, I thought it is acceptable.
Nevertheless be strong hugless wishing you well.

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