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He's broke - does it matter?

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123Jess · 14/01/2019 01:47

I've been dating my boyfriend for nearly 2 years. We're very happy in most respects - we get along great, he's always a great emotional support to me and we generally have similar values etc. However, over time it's become clear just how broke he is. It never bothered me that he wasn't wealthy, but now that I want to start building a family, and it's become clear just how broke he is, it's made me think that I'm likely to be breadwinner + caretaker and that scares me a bit.

To further expand, I'm 36 (almost 37 - eek) and he's 35. I had a fairly long corporate career before moving to more a balanced job. I switched because I worked crazy hours and wanted to prioritise meeting someone and starting a family. My previous income allowed me to buy my own apartment and to generally not worry extensively about money. I have also financially supported my parents for many years.

My boyfriend is currently studying for a PhD (he still has 2 years to go), and following that he will likely become a postdoc which is a very low paid role.

I love him and don't want to delay starting a family given our ages. But then if I'm lucky enough to get pregnant and be looking after a baby, I won't be earning much either as my current job is much lower paid than my old job and the maternity benefits are also not great.

I also recently discovered my boyfriend is not only broke but that he also has a lot of debts. He seemed quite calm about that, whereas it worried me. Don't get me wrong, I've been in debt in the past too, but I've worked hard to pay it off and to save. Right now his earnings are zero so the debt is getting bigger.

The other part that annoys me is that he is sometimes critical of my past corporate career (I'd say this is the only thing he criticises me for). He thinks I only did it for the money (which is partly true) and that people who only care about money are shallow (he's never said I'm shallow but he's generally scathing about those in the corporate world and how messed up capitalist society is).

I come from a very low income, working class background so it's true that I thought I needed to work hard and get a good job to earn money (partly to help out my parents who suffer from ill health). It's almost a point of pride for him not to care about money and to be committed to having a job that's more of a vocation, I guess.

But then a vocation doesn't necessarily pay the bills. I've always wanted a big family (I am an only child). My boyfriend comes from a family of 6 children. We'd always talked about having a big family but when we talked about it again last week he said that each child is like a second mortgage and we wouldn't be able to afford it.

Overall, I'm just feeling like a bit of an idiot. I worked so hard in my younger years, and now I feel like I'm getting older and I'm desperate to start a family. It's all I've ever wanted and I feel like I wasted my 20s and early 30s working. But now I'm back to worrying about money again. Many of my friends are able not to work, as their husbands/partners earn enough to keep them and they are happy not working. I'm not saying that I don't want to work per se but the one thing I'm certain that I do want is a family and this feels like another big obstacle, despite how hard I've worked to amass my own savings.

I've been generally so happy in this relationship (we've had a few ups and downs but doesn't everyone) and was really feeling ready to take the next step towards family. But now I'm starting to have doubts and fear.

Sorry for the long post xx

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123Jess · 14/01/2019 13:45

Thanks @another20 for this strong advice. It's all overwhelming right now but I will seriously read and re-read this thread again. Need to seriously think through my action plan.
I'm sad because I really thought this relationship would be great - this time last year I was incredibly happy. But recently I guess I've been seeing what I want to see, and willing him to be who I hope him to be. I've also been encouraging him loads to be motivated in his studies. And it's started to feel like I have a dependent rather than someone to support me in many ways (or provide mutual support to each other).
Some of my friends like him, some don't. The ones who don't are concerned he might try to live off me, don't think he's motivated/serious and think he's caused me to cancel plans with them which I've never done in the past as I'm not a flaky person at all (I cancelled a couple of things because he was having a crisis, my friends understood but then pointed out that I'd never have done that in the past as even when I worked crazy hours I always made time for my friends).
I think because I so desperately want a family Ive been trying to see the best in this and not face up to facts that seem to be clear to everyone else!

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another20 · 14/01/2019 13:46

I am also working class and it never ceases to amaze me how these partners who are cavalier about money attach themselves to partners who are savvy, astute and hardworking.

Quite deliberate targeting for a meal ticket - I would think.

NameChangeNugget · 14/01/2019 13:49

I think a mismatched financial status is nearly as bad as having mismatched sex drives.

There’s really no happy medium

PlumpSyrianHamster · 14/01/2019 13:50

He was horrified and thinks I'm still young and fertile and have plenty of time (strongly disagree with the plenty of time part!)

You are incompatible. You can run round in circles chasing your tail with this guy, but you're onto a hiding for nothing. He might make all the right noises, to try to marry you and stay in the country and have a wife to pay the bills. But you'll be carrying him for life. He's not father material.

I'd plan to go it alone soon.

helpmum2003 · 14/01/2019 13:50

I agree that he is not the man for you to marry or have a child with. He's completely different to you in terms of finances/life planning.

123Jess · 14/01/2019 13:51

Yes, I guess I convinced myself that I'm a modern feminist woman and that I'm ok if a man earns less than me. But it's been taken to a bit of an extreme where it's got me really worried and is looking like a stupid life choice.

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123Jess · 14/01/2019 13:52

If anyone has any tips on going it alone / sperm donors, please do let me know! I imagine there are threads on here for that too.....

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/01/2019 13:56

123Jess

Give your fixer upper/project his marching orders. He was also never yours to rescue and or save from his own pampered self. The man's an eternal student with you being at times acting like his mother and he will simply continue to leech off your own finite resources. He has a shedload of debt, is not really working on his thesis, stays in bed until 3.00pm on occasion and uses his loan money to pay the rent on his flat. Since when has someone like he ever stepped up here into adulting and adulthood?.

Also if you were ever stupid enough to actually have a child by him, I would be also wondering what womens rights are like in his home country too.

You cannot bring a child into this. Look at your own boundaries again in relationships here and raise your bar higher going forward.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 13:56

Earning less than you at an artistic / intellectual career is fine, if he has a serious plan in place. It's the lack of realistic forward planning taking into account your situation (you want kids, you like where you live now) that's an issue.

123Jess · 14/01/2019 13:59

Yes, I think that's the issue. There is no real plan, or a back-up plan. He's assuming an academic job will fall into place (but that's also in the distant future and requires so much work and commitment). It probably isn't going to happen. We can't even really discuss these things right now because he's stressed with his PhD. Which obviously makes me question his potential parenting ability/commitment.

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Jarveau · 14/01/2019 14:01

I had one of these. He was far superior to me because I was a small-minded wage slave, an unthinking drone, while he was a principled intellectual who needed to keep his great mind clear for his perpetual studying.

The difference is that this one was VERY keen to have children - because he knew that I'd have to continue working full-time after a few weeks' maternity leave, and he'd have the perfect excuse to continue shirking jobs so that he could look after the children/spend all day smoking and searching the internet for things to spend my money on without doing a single thing in the house.

Thankfully, it ended before children could happen, but don't be surprised if the full-time "childcare" lifestyle doesn't suddenly occur to your partner, OP.

Tyke2 · 14/01/2019 14:07

I think you already know the answers now. He's accumulated debts by furthering his academic career, with no plan on how to overcome this going forward. He's critical of your past career motives being money orientated - well that's life isn't it? His motives for being a professional student seem to be to avoid having to grow up.
He's not a keeper I'm afraid. Stay as you are and regret it for a very long time is my take on it.

ManchesterMum63 · 14/01/2019 14:08

This isn't necessarily about outdated notions of gender as such... it's how you might feel a few years down the line with children to support and most (if not ALL) responsibility for keeping the ship afloat... As well as helping your parents...

And you and he don't sound like you're even close to being on the same page re:babies/responsibility/concern over debts... Maybe he ISN'T at all worried because he has you...

How much do you trust your friends' opinions? After all - they know YOU and they've met him...

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 14:10

Honestly, an academic career, at least in Britain, is vanishingly unlikely. Could you get him to have a word with his university careers service?

ManchesterMum63 · 14/01/2019 14:13

I've also met a few of these 'types' who slate us once 'corporate slaves' for being on a treadmill etc etc... whilst they rack up debts/live off the fruits of our labour whilst proclamining nonchalance/some kind of 'superiority because they're not 'beholden' to such an ethos.... cloud cukoo land imoGrin

I can only imagine the 'joy' of raising a child/children with such 'support'Confused

CottonTailRabbit · 14/01/2019 14:18

You are not so old that you have to think about going it alone yet. Also, you have a lot going for you. I bet you won't find it hard to find a nice man who is your equal and shares your values.

Anyway planning your sperm donor is a distraction from the here and now. Ditch the feckless aging student first. Get that hurdle out of the way. Grieve a bit. Then let it be known you are in the market.

I bet your friends and colleagues will soon have you meeting suitable men.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 14/01/2019 14:21

It’s all very well saying you can live on peanuts when you’ve got a partner who is essentially paying the way. Sounds like you will always be the breadwinner which can be very stressful as you will be the only one worrying about the finances. As for dc, you don’t need wads of money but it helps, and the sensible thing to do would be for him to be a sahd, but would you want that?
I’m the main breadwinner at home as my dh doesn’t earn a lot, and it is stressful as I feel it’s all up to me to make sure we have enough money, if I lost my job we’d be buggered. But he is very good with my 2dc (from another relationship), and he is very good with money, so no debt etc. I’m not sure I could have coped with it if he hadn’t been responsible with what little he earns.

It does make me laugh when I hear if people saying they don’t want to be in the rat race, corporate business are corrupt etc, then you find out they are living with parents (who prob work or worked for large corporations) or living with well earning partners. You don’t very often see these people being able to support themselves unless they live in a cabin in the woods.

MaybeDoctor · 14/01/2019 14:26

Your first step is to go to your GP and say that you would like to start a family as a single woman - is there any fertility assistance available? That is the route to accessing donor sperm.

Your local health authority might have criteria for fertility treatment eg. not over a certain age, not if you already have a child. But if you do fit in the criteria, getting referred is your first step.

If you have lots of money you can skip all that and just go to a private clinic. Or, you can eye up your male friends and ask one to be a 'known donor' - cheaper and quicker.

MaybeDoctor · 14/01/2019 14:41

The other thing that strikes me is the international aspect.

Will he want to go back home at some point? If you did have a baby with him and he became fulltime carer, you might be in an awful situation if he did decide that he wanted to return home at some future point.

There is also something a bit odd about the lack of information about his early adulthood. Surely partners know everything about each other's story? I am not saying that he was in jail or anything, but he might not want you to know exactly what he was doing, even if it was merely that he spent a very long time dossing around...

velourvoyageur · 14/01/2019 14:46

WhoKnew I'm sure I read somewhere that even Henry David Thoreau, cabin man extraordinaire, used to get his mum to drop off meals once a fortnight Grin

BumbleBeee69 · 14/01/2019 14:46

I wouldn't plan a future with this man OP, never mind a baby, please find a man who has similar wants and priorities as yourself, this guy sounds like a knob. Hmm

AutumnCrow · 14/01/2019 14:50

I agree the international aspect is worrying. In future you could see any child you have be taken abroad without you for extended periods, if his home country is where he pursues his academic aspirations.

You would be better going it alone. I agree you should start a conversation with your GP.

Good luck. Flowers

Travisandthemonkey · 14/01/2019 15:03

Basically for it to work with him, he would have to be 100% wanting a family and being prepared to be the main parent. Working part time/studying, but really looking after the kids. That would potentially be ok. Many women do it.

I don’t think he’s mature enough yet I am afraid.

I imagine he’s the kind of guy that will find a 37 year old when he’s 45 and then have a family. They are everywhere

Travisandthemonkey · 14/01/2019 15:05

In fact I think the debts/phd/career are all red herrings really.
I get the impression if he had jumped for joy about having kids you wouldn’t feel this way.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 15:21

velourvoyageur I didn't know that about Thoreau, what an arse Grin