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He's broke - does it matter?

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123Jess · 14/01/2019 01:47

I've been dating my boyfriend for nearly 2 years. We're very happy in most respects - we get along great, he's always a great emotional support to me and we generally have similar values etc. However, over time it's become clear just how broke he is. It never bothered me that he wasn't wealthy, but now that I want to start building a family, and it's become clear just how broke he is, it's made me think that I'm likely to be breadwinner + caretaker and that scares me a bit.

To further expand, I'm 36 (almost 37 - eek) and he's 35. I had a fairly long corporate career before moving to more a balanced job. I switched because I worked crazy hours and wanted to prioritise meeting someone and starting a family. My previous income allowed me to buy my own apartment and to generally not worry extensively about money. I have also financially supported my parents for many years.

My boyfriend is currently studying for a PhD (he still has 2 years to go), and following that he will likely become a postdoc which is a very low paid role.

I love him and don't want to delay starting a family given our ages. But then if I'm lucky enough to get pregnant and be looking after a baby, I won't be earning much either as my current job is much lower paid than my old job and the maternity benefits are also not great.

I also recently discovered my boyfriend is not only broke but that he also has a lot of debts. He seemed quite calm about that, whereas it worried me. Don't get me wrong, I've been in debt in the past too, but I've worked hard to pay it off and to save. Right now his earnings are zero so the debt is getting bigger.

The other part that annoys me is that he is sometimes critical of my past corporate career (I'd say this is the only thing he criticises me for). He thinks I only did it for the money (which is partly true) and that people who only care about money are shallow (he's never said I'm shallow but he's generally scathing about those in the corporate world and how messed up capitalist society is).

I come from a very low income, working class background so it's true that I thought I needed to work hard and get a good job to earn money (partly to help out my parents who suffer from ill health). It's almost a point of pride for him not to care about money and to be committed to having a job that's more of a vocation, I guess.

But then a vocation doesn't necessarily pay the bills. I've always wanted a big family (I am an only child). My boyfriend comes from a family of 6 children. We'd always talked about having a big family but when we talked about it again last week he said that each child is like a second mortgage and we wouldn't be able to afford it.

Overall, I'm just feeling like a bit of an idiot. I worked so hard in my younger years, and now I feel like I'm getting older and I'm desperate to start a family. It's all I've ever wanted and I feel like I wasted my 20s and early 30s working. But now I'm back to worrying about money again. Many of my friends are able not to work, as their husbands/partners earn enough to keep them and they are happy not working. I'm not saying that I don't want to work per se but the one thing I'm certain that I do want is a family and this feels like another big obstacle, despite how hard I've worked to amass my own savings.

I've been generally so happy in this relationship (we've had a few ups and downs but doesn't everyone) and was really feeling ready to take the next step towards family. But now I'm starting to have doubts and fear.

Sorry for the long post xx

OP posts:
crimsonlake · 14/01/2019 10:27

He sounds like an eternal student and has never really grown up. I think you are right to question your future with this man.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/01/2019 10:27

Jess

You seem to have gone from one alpha male type to another at seemingly the opposite end of the employment scale. It does make me wonder as well what she learnt about relationships when she was growing up. What really do you have in common with each other now?. You certainly cannot stay with him out of habit, pity and or wanting a child of your own. Some father this bloke would be, he is not a partner to you but a hanger on and freeloader.

ErickBroch · 14/01/2019 10:31

Didn't realise my comment was so offensive - sorry! He did become a Professor about 15 years ago and has publications out regularly so my bad, I didn't realise.

Anyway I agree with everyone else, he seems pretty happy not having to work and floating around in academia.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 10:34

No problem Erick, no offence taken! It's a very cut-throat job market these days and OP's BF seems to be doing nothing to prepare for it.

Mix56 · 14/01/2019 10:38

He has shown you who he is, why don't you believe him ?

You have 3 choices:
Dump him, find a new man
Get pregnant & finance 100% with him as a bf, (he will probably go off eventually)
Stay as you are, have no DC

Bumblebee39 · 14/01/2019 10:39

The money wouldn't worry me, nor the PHD.

His attitude towards you @123Jess you're past career your hope to have children etc. That would definitely concern me. He doesn't respect you, your life choices or your fertility. Further, you say he's emotionally understanding but he doesn't appear to have paid attention to what's important to you at all (financial stability, supporting your parents, becoming a mother etc.) You need to find someone who wants at least some of the same things as you.

mywigwamneedsnewflaps · 14/01/2019 10:49

Dump him and move on , you need someone who thinks more like you do regarding finance ,

he sounds like a selfish dreamer to me , ok he's 35 and been studying for 8 years , presumably he has already done a degree after a levels as well so by the time he's 40 he will have clocked up a max 10 years working ? He may be well qualified by this time but if it's a low paid field it's all at your expense or the expense of you having a family it's all a bit pointless really

P0tteryMug6 · 14/01/2019 10:53

He might be a nice guy. However, to me it looks like you are opposites. You like to work and be busy/responsible and he is a student/lazy. I don't think that he is the right person to have a family with. I would cut your losses and look for someone else

PlumpSyrianHamster · 14/01/2019 11:13

@PlumpSyrianHamster
Sometimes he doesn't get out of bed until 3. Sometimes I don't either, it's lovely

You just misquoted me, gamer, BIG style! The second sentence is not mine.

frenchchick9 · 14/01/2019 11:16

So he's 35 and just started a PhD? What has he been doing all his adult life? Studying? If so, he sounds like an eternal student.

Is he happy to earn little and have debt, but to be kept by you? If so, big red flag.

It sounds as if you are poles apart in terms of your beliefs. I'd cut your losses and end things, leaving you free to find another man who you have more in common with.

IfNotNowBernard · 14/01/2019 11:26

OK. Firstly 40 is NOT too old to start a meaningful career in anything. It's not at all, IF you are talented, focused and hard working.
This guy sounds none of these things.
My SIL and my friend in her 30s both recently finished PhDs ( over 4 years).
Both were funded. In fact one of them had more maintenance money than I earn. None of it was loans. I am led to understand that if you don't get funded to do your PhD, you probably are not good enough to actually make a career in your subject anyway.
One woman has gone into industry (sort over related to her studies but not exactly.) The other has a post doc position abroad. Both taught undergraduates during their studies to earn extra money and gain experience.
So, being an adult studying- great, no problem. But being a layabout doing the bare minimum and getting into massive debt to do it? Noooo.
Run while you still can. You would honestly be better off with ANY random man fathering your future babies than this nightmare.

gamerchick · 14/01/2019 11:37

You just misquoted me, gamer, BIG style! The second sentence is not mine

I didn't misquote you, I forgot to delete your username from my post.

gamerchick · 14/01/2019 11:38

Apologies for that

Katgurl · 14/01/2019 11:43

You need to have an open and frank discussion. His replies could have been said in the heat of the moment or you could have caught on a day when stress was already piling on top of him.

Sadly, the most likely explanation is simply that he wants mothing to change. He has a nice life, stress free. He loves his girlfriend but not enough to change his status quo. What's important to you is quite simply not important to him.

There is a small chance that after you point out the bare facts - this needs to start now, you need a practical plan on how you'll manage he will get on board. I am sceptical though. Under no circumstances allow him to fob you off with more "maybe someday..." promises. You quite simply do not have the time.

I met an amazing man at age 38 and gave birth to our beautiful daughter age 40. So it is possible. However, knowing now how wonderful motherhood is I would not have sat and risked it not happening past 35. I would have looked for a sperm donor.

You could of course take a non permanent view to your relationship; get pregnant with him then decide if it suits you to have him live with you or be a PT dad. I would certainly be suiting myself in any decisions I make, as he has been all his life.

I echo what others have said. You're a catch. You don't need him.

EngagedAgain · 14/01/2019 11:44

Hi Jess, I have read most of the thread and agree with well virtually everyone else. I think in your 'hurry' to get on with having a child you're either not thinking straight or are prepared to go ahead with this guy in order to get on with it asap.
There is still plenty of time yet and having a child with the wrong person won't make for a happy experience. They are always somehow in your life and I think if you had a child with this man I doubt the relationship will be lasting as such.
He doesn't have the same values or work ethic, and from how he's spoken to you about your achievements and goals I can't see how you can be happy with him in the long term.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 11:50

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but postgrad study won't be with a typical graduate tax-type student loan will it? Particularly as this guy dropped out of his UG degree.

snowbear66 · 14/01/2019 11:56

Student debt is different to other debt though as it is only taken at a low % once you have a job and the debts are wiped after 50 years, but not if he has accumulated ‘normal ‘ credit card debt.I would get more information from him about them and take it from there.
If you really want a baby perhaps you should go ahead but don’t marry him and then your property won’t be at risk if it doesn’t work out for the best, you will have somewhere for you and the child to live.

Ethel80 · 14/01/2019 12:00

@gamerchick

I wouldn't say I'm much like him but I guess there are some similarities. I like to stay in bed all day occasionally, I don't think that's particularly unreasonable. I don't prioritise money over other things so as long as I have enough to live on, great. Although it's always nice to have a bit more, it's not my priority.

I've worked hard for over 20 years including through my a levels and degree. I was a mature student so I find the references to him still being a student at his age slightly offensive. Are people in their thirties not supposed to study?

I don't think I'm even defending him really, just trying to put across another perspective because sometimes I find the attitudes here quite insular and closed minded.

waterrat · 14/01/2019 12:05

OP I do actually think it's reasonable to question someone studying in their 30s if they are doing it to put off having to earn money.

He sounds work shy - how would you feel if he ended up being the stay at home dad and you had to go to work four days a week? Would you resent that/ ?

Leaving all that aside ( as someone said - he has shown you who he is - believe him) - I've been in the position of wanting a baby more than my partner and I cannot stress more seriously how vital it is that you thrash this out NOW in conversation.

Do not waste a minute more wondering what he 'really' thinks about having a baby. He sounds immature and selfish to me - focused on living the exact life he wants to with no plans at all to pay back any of this debt or get a job that could help pay rent with you.

I would be very wary of a man my friends didn't like as well - they will be holding back from saying a lot of what they think.

You can't wait any longer to have a baby - realistically if you wait much longer then the baby dream could be completely gone.

You could hve a baby on your own ( I know more than one person who has done this) - so don't - don't don't don't - wait around wasting your fertile years if this man is not going to be giving you a child or security.

IfNotNowBernard · 14/01/2019 12:07

Well, no, I agree that everyone should be able to study at any age, and I think ageism in the working world is ridiculous given that we are most of us going to be grafting until 70! But nobody who is going to have a great career is funding their own PhD. For 8 years. If he was independently rich and doing it for a hobby then fine, but he's not husband and father material because that takes an element of hard work and practicality.

Waddsup12 · 14/01/2019 12:08

You don't actually seem to know that much about his past. I would be very wary of tying myself to a bloke with a sketchy (as in omission) past. Plus if you get married, buy a house and then get divorced, he'll be off with your hard-won savings.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 12:09

Ethel I teach mature students and totally love them because they're so driven and have a ton of life experience behind them. My own DH was a mature student at forty and again at fifty to better his prospects. This guy seems not to have much of a past career and no realistic plan for the future. That's the difference.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 14/01/2019 12:11

Student debt is different to other debt though as it is only taken at a low % once you have a job and the debts are wiped after 50 years

Is that true of PG and PhD debt though? Not sure it is. Else funding for PG study wouldn't be such a bear pit.

halfwitpicker · 14/01/2019 12:15

It's all well and good being the poor but brilliant poet living on crusts in the 7e arrondissement, but you still need to eat. Romantic but impractical.

I'd be letting go, op.

snowbear66 · 14/01/2019 12:16
  • Sorry meant to say student debt repayments wiped after 30 years (and repayment is 8% of income after 25,000 )
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