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friend just made an offensive comment - advice?

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loosenknot · 22/12/2018 18:38

I have a close friend, who I have known since primary school. She has had an exceptionally hard time over the last three years and I have ltried to be supportive. The hardest part of being supportive is she doesn’t like dissent. SO while I prefer people to point out ways of looking at a situation, this makes her very agitated and I have to keep my mouth closed. She has fallen out with most of her friends.

Today we were on the phone and she was telling me about another friend she has fallen out with over money. I can understand why she is annoyed with her. I tried to put another view point but she got agitated, so, as usual, I kept my mouth shut. . She has never in all the years I’ve known her said anything racist. But she concluded the conversation by saying: " I’m sorry to say this, and I don’t mean to be offensive, but she’s being a typical Jew."

Now, the thing is, I am technically Jewish (i.e. my mothers’s family were all Eastern European jews, and that’s my heritage even though we’re three generation atheist with no cultural association). And I’m not mean, and nor are my family (who have hosted her for Christmas for the last decade - her family, I should say, have also been super generous to us). So I said, very mildly, 'actually I do find that offensive, it’s an offensive comment'. And she got quite cross and put the phone down on me.

She has since texted me to say she can’t deal with any conflict and she’s sorry she’s offended me and she just meant stereotypically jewish (and implied she wouldn't be coming for Christmas, as if I'd disinvited her, which I haven't). Which isn’t the point. I’m not even that offended personally, it’s just an offensive comment, in the manner of all racist comments.

I’ve written her a message explaining that it’s offensive precisely because it’s a stereotype: I’m not mean so does that mean I’m not a stereotypical jew? - and added that of course she should come for Christmas and it wouldn’t be the same without her. This happened recently with another comment about a friend who knowingly conceived as a single parent - she made quite a rude comment about this (because she hates the woman) even though I'm also in the same situation (and I know she doesn't judge me for it).

Not sure how to proceed. I’m certainly not going to loose a friendship over it, but I’m feeling a bit steely, like I'd like an apology.

OP posts:
SillySallySingsSongs · 22/12/2018 18:39

I'd tell her what she said was anti semetic.

loosenknot · 22/12/2018 18:43

SillySally - I think I might have told her that when I said it was offensive.

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DasPepe · 22/12/2018 18:49

This woman is self obsessed and self involved. She doesn’t like another point of view because this means she can’t always be the victim or thher injured party and also the centre of the universe.

Now by biting your tounge you have enabled her to air her grieviances in exactly this way. She has probably offended a lot of people before but it didn’t register with you because it did not affect you. Now it has.

I genuinely think she is probably too self absorbed to actually mean offence because she doesn’t think about what she is saying. She’s just throwing anything at a problem and if she runs out of defenses you will be next.

But since she has no other friends there will be no one to “defend” you so to speak.

Your behavior and tolerance of th way she is has meant that you have arrived at this situation. So a change would be needed and I guess you have to decide what you want.

SillySallySingsSongs · 22/12/2018 18:55

I think I might have told her that when I said it was offensive.

I think you need to actually spell it out to her. Just saying it is offensive will be going in one ear and out the other.

If she continues to make such comments or dismisses what you say then you at least know your friend has no problem expressing anti semetic views.

loosenknot · 22/12/2018 18:56

DasPepe - yes, I've tolerated it, knowingly. But she's lonely at the moment, and she has had some really unfortunate things happen to her. And beneath this peculiar dynamic - which I have tolerated up to now (and tolerate with no other friends) - we have a genuine friendship. I just felt casual racism was a step too far. My kids have to grow up into this world, and I'd prefer to make sure it doesn't have people carrying around casually unexamined racist ideas. I hope she does apologise (although I might have to take, I'm sorry if I offended you, as an apology (as opposed to, I'm sorry I made an offensive comment).

OP posts:
Krankypants · 22/12/2018 19:00

You shouldn’t need to have Jewish heritage to call her out on making anti Semitic comments. Or any racist or otherwise intolerant comment.

How do you think you are helping her by pandering to her nonsense?

gamerchick · 22/12/2018 19:00

If she can't handle conflict then she should keep the mean thoughts in her head. Make it a new years resolution type of thing.

Closetbeanmuncher · 22/12/2018 19:52

And what exactly does a "typical jew" behave like Hmm

I would have answered responded to that by asking her if she's ever considered the fact that she's behaving like a typical arsehole.

DBML · 22/12/2018 19:57

Honestly, if it were my friend I’d leave if initially...she might realise herself what a crappy thing it was to say.
Next time I saw her I’d just mention that I took a little offense at the comment, but understood she probably said it in anger. This would give her the opportunity to apologise.
Then I’d forget it.

category12 · 22/12/2018 20:09

Wow.

She actually believes that, you know.

HeckyPeck · 23/12/2018 00:12

I'm sorry if I offended you

You know that pretty much means fuck you and your feelings, right?

Friends don’t treat other friends like that OP.

PositivelyPERF · 23/12/2018 00:16

She actually believes that, you know.

Absolutely. Even her so called apology reinforced her anti Semitic beliefs.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 23/12/2018 00:18

Well she’s not really a friend is she if you can’t speak freely without her sulking. That’s not friendship. Thats someone you tolerate for one reason or another. I wouldn’t be too bothered about her not coming for dinner or ever phoning me again really.

limpbizkit · 23/12/2018 00:21

I hate generalist comments '(my husnsnd does it constantly and it really f**ks me off) just tell her. Say its offensive and you don't appreciate it. What's the worst that could happen?

user1471453601 · 23/12/2018 00:24

Ok, what would you think of this? My friends heritage on her father's side is Nigerian. If I commented that someone else was behaving in a typical Nigerian way I suspect She would walk away from me and never return, quite rightly. What your "friend" said was completely unacceptable, and you were right to call her out on it.

Have the courage of your convictions. She was so so wrong. The only thing you did "wrong" was not to be even more offended than you were.

Patroclus · 23/12/2018 00:25

I just couldnt imagine being friends with people who make that kind of insane comment. Has she got into extreme politics lately?

limpbizkit · 23/12/2018 00:26

Trying coming from Norfolk/Suffolk its a bloody nightmare

limpbizkit · 23/12/2018 00:29

Everyone black Is about to nick your purse. Everyone Muslim is about to set off a device. Everyone Irish is a gypsy. Gay people make a choice to be gay. The list goes on. So frustrating. As, genuinely, the nicest people I've ever worked with come from those exact backgrounds. So sad that people are so bloody generalist. Ignorance is what it's born from

busybarbara · 23/12/2018 00:34

You have basically called her a nazi which is why she might be a bit miffed

JohnHunter · 23/12/2018 00:36

She sounded awful before the crass anti-semitism.

Cakemonger · 23/12/2018 00:39

I honestly don't know what I'd do if someone said something like that to me. I don't think I could continue the friendship. If she's not willing to listen and understand why that is so offensive I wouldn't bother with her. You shouldn't have to put up with that.

PositivelyPERF · 23/12/2018 00:40

You have basically called her a nazi which is why she might be a bit miffed

WTF! Looks like your so called friend has found your thread, OP.

ILoveMaxiBondi · 23/12/2018 00:41

Erm how has OP called her a nazi? Confused do you think nazis were the only people who were/are anti Semitic?

busybarbara · 23/12/2018 00:41

No chance. I couldn't be friends with someone as easily put out as that Xmas Grin

ILoveMaxiBondi · 23/12/2018 00:42

You mean all your friends tolerate your racism barbara?

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