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Am I wrong for going NC with my terminally ill mother?

119 replies

Lupielove · 19/12/2018 17:08

Since March 2018, my mother has been back in the UK due to a cancer diagnosis. We hadn't spoken for almost a year (my decision), so my aunt begged me to contact her fearing she was going to die. I eventually reached out via text, but was scared to engage with her because historically, I always get my fingers burnt. For the first time, I was in a good, happy place - my depression/anxiety was much better and I didn't want to jeopardize that. We had a brief chat on my first visit and agreed to try to move forward in a healthy manner.

All year, I've done my best to be supportive whilst she undergoes treatments to extend her life (no chance of curing stage 4 nsclc). I have attended appointments, spent time with her in her home, ran errands/housework, made her food/drinks, bought her CBD oil etc. I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her.

Here's where it gets interesting...

I eloped to marry the love of my life in Nov, and told her about it on my return. I knew she'd never approve of me marrying someone so quickly (3 months), but I didn't care. At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions. I wasn't going to give her the opportunity to talk me out of it - like she has my whole life. She was disappointed, but seemed OK about it. She even enquires how he's doing whenever we speak. She's never been this supportive in my life.

Thinking that our relationship was finally getting somewhere, I asked her if she'd agree to extending a loan I took out last year (she's my guarantor), to help SO and I with our solicitors fees (he's a foreign national so would need a visa to come to the UK as my spouse). Having already paid over half the loan back, I just wanted an extra £1.5k to add to what money we have scraped between us (otherwise it'd be months before we have enough and I miss my man). Without even inquiring how much we'd need or how we intend to pay it back, she just says NO. When I ask her why, she says she doesn't want any involvement in my "drama", she doesn't agree with it and she's not a charity either. When I tell her that it's not her money I'm asking to borrow - all I need is her signature, she flat out refused. I explained calmly how we intend to pay it back (we both work) and that she could consider it a wedding gift - she just got more belligerent, made some nasty comments about my "poor foreign husband" and then hung up the phone and refused to answer.

Feeling aggrieved, I text her and told her I won't be attending her 60th birthday dinner with the whole family this weekend. I never wanted to go in the first place. The only reason I agreed is because she started crying and saying that it could be her last milestone birthday ever.

After that call, I figured why should I put myself out for her? What exactly do I get out of this mother-daughter relationship? I can't talk to her about anything. She says NO to absolutely everything (so I stopped asking her ages go, wish I never bothered on this occasion). I've never had her support financial or otherwise. She allowed my step dad to be abusive growing up. She over-criticizes everything I say/do.

She had an opportunity to do something thoughtful and kind for me (at zero risk/cost to herself), but instead she chose to trample all over my feelings. She accused me of "chucking her aside" when I told her I won't be coming, and reckons she still "loves me, even though the love has felt one-sided." Are you kidding me? I grew up thinking I wasn't welcome in my own home, and you're playing the victim?

To this day - she hasn't congratulated me on my marriage. She hasn't told me she thinks I look pretty in my wedding pics. She even asked me not to mention my wedding to anyone at her birthday dinner, and not to wear my ring! When I asked her why, she said she didn't want it to overshadow her birthday celebrations. WOW.

Consequently, I've told her that I can't do this anymore and that I need to go back to how I was before she came back to the UK (when I was happy being on my own and having no contact with her), because my mental health and overall well-being are suffering. Cancer or not, I don't owe her anything. I don't even know if I love her anymore much less like her... I feel bad for doing this right before her birthday and Christmas whilst she has cancer, but I don't want to know her any more. She makes me feel small and worthless.

OP posts:
Kikidelivers · 19/12/2018 17:13

I feel for you mother

Being harassed by you for money when she’s dying

GreenTulips · 19/12/2018 17:14

So you didn't get your own way and now you're throwing a strop?

Musti · 19/12/2018 17:15

She Is probably worried about you meeting and marrying someone who needs you financially and because of your nationality for a visa. If she's been a guarantor before this isn't about the money but about your situation.

Sailinghappy · 19/12/2018 17:17

Your mother has every right to say no to signing a loan agreement!! Her prerogative and her choice. To not attend her 60th after asking her to do that is completely unreasonable. Either you have a strong enough relationship with her to request such a big favour, or you don’t. Her agreeing to or not agreeing to sign should have no bearing over your attendance at her birthday - it all sounds very spiteful! Perhaps try to respect her decisions and work on your own finances yourself. Your relationship with your dying mother is an entirely separate issue.

ViragoKnows · 19/12/2018 17:19

Blimey. I dont think ahe’s the one in the wrong here OP. Maybe you learnt this behaviour from her in the first place, I dont know. But if you're 34, you're old enough not to demand financial favours and then sulk when you dont get them.

TacoLover · 19/12/2018 17:19

made some nasty comments about my "poor foreign husband"

I had sympathy for your mother until this.

Kikidelivers · 19/12/2018 17:20

“Consider it a wedding gift”

The wedding she knew nothing about and wasn’t invited to?

Kikidelivers · 19/12/2018 17:21

Cancer or not, I don't owe her anything

And vice versa

RaininSummer · 19/12/2018 17:21

It all sounds a bit worrying from a mother's point of view. Maybe she thinks you are being led down a dodgy financial path through your relationship even though this presumably isn't the case. Being a guarantor is a serious undertaking and since you didn't talk to her for a year and she is dying it seems a strange thing to ask.

Hedgehogblues · 19/12/2018 17:21

Can a terminaly ill person even be guarantor?

Aquamarine1029 · 19/12/2018 17:23

Your mother has every right to refuse to sign a loan for you and she doesn't owe you any explanation. You should have thought about the cost of obtaining a visa for your husband before you got married.

NorthEndGal · 19/12/2018 17:26

You say she has never helped you out, but that she is your guarantor
You say she is the mean one, but you are the one refusing to go to her last birthday party, because she wont further extend herself to guarantee a bigger loan.
A loan you are asking her to guarantee while she is dying!
I think you may want to reexamine the whole scenario

StormTreader · 19/12/2018 17:26

It sounds like both of you are in the habit of hitting the "explosions and sirens" destruct button as soon as you don't get exactly what you want to be honest.

From her side it sounds like her daughter met a man in a foreign country, married him after 3 months, didn't invite her to the wedding or tell her it was happening until afterwards, then wants her to sign a further financial obligation on top of the current one so he can afford to enter the country on top of expecting her to ooo and aah over pictures from the wedding she wasnt invited to.

Does that sound about right?

Dallasty · 19/12/2018 17:27

Like you say, you're an adult ...you seem to want to pick and choose as and when it suits you though. Maybe you should grow up, arrange your own finances (being an adult and all that), and pay your own way and stop harassing a dying woman for such. You state you dont "owe her nothing", well....she could say the same. You sound incredibly immature and selfish.

bourbonbiccy · 19/12/2018 17:28

Your mum is well within her rights to refuse to fe guarantor. It sounds a bit weird, getting married on,y after 3 months and now you need a loan. Not sure many people would go guarantor for you based on the situation my the actual Loan itself.

Sorry but you sound awful. I would never harass a dying woman to sign for a loan, and now she has said no to you, you are going to withdraw your relationship and not attend her birthday. Sounds horrible to me

Thisnamechanger · 19/12/2018 17:30

Dying people aren't always easy to get on with. Dying people who were difficult anyway even more so.

And I'm sorry but you don't exactly win points for this:

I have attended appointments, spent time with her in her home, ran errands/housework, made her food/drinks, bought her CBD oil etc. I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her

That's what you're supposed to do!

MaisyMary77 · 19/12/2018 17:32

I didn’t get on well with my mother-in fact she kicked me out when I was 15. My sister referred to her as the abuser. She did nothing much for me as an adult-we had quite a strained relationship to say the least. Like your mother, she would make me feel small and worthless. Some of the things she came out with still haunt me!
Six months ago she was diagnosed with liver cancer, then died two weeks later. All very sudden! I was so, so glad that I hadn’t gone NC with her. We didn’t have a sentimental goodbye but in those last, painful days but I knew then that she loved me and she had just tried the best that she knew how.

Whatsnewwithyou · 19/12/2018 17:36

I would stop worrying about being angry with your mum and start worrying about being married to someone who you've only known for 3 months who needs a visa to come and live here. That does not sound good and I can sympathise with your mum for not wishing to support it. She's got terminal cancer and shes right, she has enough trouble without being part of your drama. I'm sorry I know that sounds really harsh but I'm afraid you've got yourself into a pretty bad situation.

RebelWitchFace · 19/12/2018 17:37

It's very possible that she was an abusive,neglectful shit mother that always mad eyou feel like you are good enough. However that doesn't mean she has to be your guarantor on something she disagree with. Or that she's not right to be worried about your recent life choices. I hope he is "your true love" but statistics show differently. It's also spiteful to refuse to attend her bday because she refused to sign.

No matter how awful she was as a mother,in this situation she comes across as the reasonable one.

user1499173618 · 19/12/2018 17:39

Unlike other posters, OP, I sympathise with you. Your mother sounds terribly selfish.

hannah1992 · 19/12/2018 17:39

It's well known OP that foreign men will marry uk born women to gain entry to the UK. I have to say I would be very concerned and tell my daughter's so if one of them had met a man abroad and decided to marry him after 3 months. She has every right as a mother to be concerned about that.

Also, she doesn't have to sign any agreement for a loan for you and to be honest with her health situation they probably wouldn't extend it anyway.

You will just have to save up and your husband will too to pay for his visa.

Perhaps your mother doesn't want to be signing a loan agreement presumably under your name to pay for his visa and then him leave you in the shit and paying it off? Perhaps she doesn't want that stress while she's ill. She has enough to be worries about

Sallygoroundthemoon · 19/12/2018 17:45

Your poor mother. You sound very selfish OP.

Thisnamechanger · 19/12/2018 17:46

in those last, painful days but I knew then that she loved me and she had just tried the best that she knew how

It's funny how lots of things drop away in those last few days isn't it Sad

I find the whole idea of choosing whether or not to spend someone's dying months helping them hinging on something as facile as a lone baffling.

pallasathena · 19/12/2018 17:46

You really are a piece of work OP.

TrippingTheVelvet · 19/12/2018 17:48

My mother also belittles and makes me feel like crap. I'd starve on the street before I'd ask her to be the person to bail me out if my finances went down the pan. I'm guessing her side of this story would be very different.