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Am I wrong for going NC with my terminally ill mother?

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Lupielove · 19/12/2018 17:08

Since March 2018, my mother has been back in the UK due to a cancer diagnosis. We hadn't spoken for almost a year (my decision), so my aunt begged me to contact her fearing she was going to die. I eventually reached out via text, but was scared to engage with her because historically, I always get my fingers burnt. For the first time, I was in a good, happy place - my depression/anxiety was much better and I didn't want to jeopardize that. We had a brief chat on my first visit and agreed to try to move forward in a healthy manner.

All year, I've done my best to be supportive whilst she undergoes treatments to extend her life (no chance of curing stage 4 nsclc). I have attended appointments, spent time with her in her home, ran errands/housework, made her food/drinks, bought her CBD oil etc. I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her.

Here's where it gets interesting...

I eloped to marry the love of my life in Nov, and told her about it on my return. I knew she'd never approve of me marrying someone so quickly (3 months), but I didn't care. At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions. I wasn't going to give her the opportunity to talk me out of it - like she has my whole life. She was disappointed, but seemed OK about it. She even enquires how he's doing whenever we speak. She's never been this supportive in my life.

Thinking that our relationship was finally getting somewhere, I asked her if she'd agree to extending a loan I took out last year (she's my guarantor), to help SO and I with our solicitors fees (he's a foreign national so would need a visa to come to the UK as my spouse). Having already paid over half the loan back, I just wanted an extra £1.5k to add to what money we have scraped between us (otherwise it'd be months before we have enough and I miss my man). Without even inquiring how much we'd need or how we intend to pay it back, she just says NO. When I ask her why, she says she doesn't want any involvement in my "drama", she doesn't agree with it and she's not a charity either. When I tell her that it's not her money I'm asking to borrow - all I need is her signature, she flat out refused. I explained calmly how we intend to pay it back (we both work) and that she could consider it a wedding gift - she just got more belligerent, made some nasty comments about my "poor foreign husband" and then hung up the phone and refused to answer.

Feeling aggrieved, I text her and told her I won't be attending her 60th birthday dinner with the whole family this weekend. I never wanted to go in the first place. The only reason I agreed is because she started crying and saying that it could be her last milestone birthday ever.

After that call, I figured why should I put myself out for her? What exactly do I get out of this mother-daughter relationship? I can't talk to her about anything. She says NO to absolutely everything (so I stopped asking her ages go, wish I never bothered on this occasion). I've never had her support financial or otherwise. She allowed my step dad to be abusive growing up. She over-criticizes everything I say/do.

She had an opportunity to do something thoughtful and kind for me (at zero risk/cost to herself), but instead she chose to trample all over my feelings. She accused me of "chucking her aside" when I told her I won't be coming, and reckons she still "loves me, even though the love has felt one-sided." Are you kidding me? I grew up thinking I wasn't welcome in my own home, and you're playing the victim?

To this day - she hasn't congratulated me on my marriage. She hasn't told me she thinks I look pretty in my wedding pics. She even asked me not to mention my wedding to anyone at her birthday dinner, and not to wear my ring! When I asked her why, she said she didn't want it to overshadow her birthday celebrations. WOW.

Consequently, I've told her that I can't do this anymore and that I need to go back to how I was before she came back to the UK (when I was happy being on my own and having no contact with her), because my mental health and overall well-being are suffering. Cancer or not, I don't owe her anything. I don't even know if I love her anymore much less like her... I feel bad for doing this right before her birthday and Christmas whilst she has cancer, but I don't want to know her any more. She makes me feel small and worthless.

OP posts:
Guavatree · 21/12/2018 11:47

There are a lot of rather nasty assumptions being made about 'foreigners' being after visas and very few people have picked up on the OP's mother's remarks in that regard...

Soubriquet · 21/12/2018 11:53

Sorry but I think you are being unfair

You met and married a foreign national within 3 months and now need the money to get his visa.

I can understand why she doesn’t want to. There’s every chance he will come over here with his visa and fuck off.

ReflectentMonatomism · 21/12/2018 12:05

You met and married a foreign national within 3 months and now need the money to get his visa.

And the OP 34 and can't raise fifteen hundred quid between her and her husband without her mother's help. Why should the OP's mother risk her own money to bring someone the OP has known for twelve weeks into the country? She might, not unreasonably, think that this is exactly what immigration laws exist to prevent.

I'm enjoying "we both work", too: has he got a job ready for him in the UK, OP?

QuackPorridgeBacon · 21/12/2018 12:05

I think your measly response and lack of any awareness is the problem. All these comments and that’s all you reply with? Pathetic really.

Guavatree · 21/12/2018 12:07

OP's issues with her mother are one thing - I don't necessarily agree with her take on it. But I think it's pretty darn sad that so many are assuming that the OP's new husband is only after her visa based solely on the very passing mention of him. Really shaking my head at this.

Fontofnoknowledge · 21/12/2018 12:10

You do know that 'making you feel a million dollars' and 'the love of your life' is a standard operating procedure for those men looking to enter the UK on a spousal visa don't you ?

Luckily the consulates in these countries (non-eu) are more than wide to the 'marriage scam'. They will refuse the visa. The length of time you can show you have known your new husband will not convince entry clearance that you have had sufficient time to establish a relationship to sustain a marriage.
They will want : letters, or records of emails, phone calls, over at least a year to 3 yrs. Full background and educational attainment of your spouse. A conversation with both of you separately to see how well you both genuinely know each other. Sham marriage is a huge and very prominent issue in our immigration system and at the forefront of issues that are looked out for. An 'elopement' 3 months after meeting - I can honestly tell you - hasn't a hope in hell of obtaining a spousal visa unless you go and live with him in his home for at least three years OR he invests £250k in this country to obtain a tier 1 investment visa.

None of which would be 'cheap ' or 1.5k on legal fees.

Your are cross with your mother and behaving very badly because she won't finance your extremely naive plans for getting a foreign national into the country.

You do know they leave within a year of getting here don't you ? Normally for a spouse from their country who has already managed to get herself in by the same method. ?
I prosecute this stuff. It's not DM stories, it's everyday life in our big cities.

ReflectentMonatomism · 21/12/2018 12:12

A man who wanted his girlfriend of twelve week's mother to guarantee a fifteen hundred quid loan for his benefit would be, rightly accused of a variety of MN crimes ranging from cheeky fuckery to cocklodging. And that would be true if they had lived in adjacent streets for decades.

Kool4katz · 21/12/2018 12:16

Nice try OP, but I don't believe a word of it. Wink

Guavatree · 21/12/2018 12:17

But we don't know that he had anything to do with it @ReflectentMonatomism. He may not even know about it. That's my point, we're making all sorts of assumptions based solely on him being someone from a different country who OP married within a short space of time. He may be a heart surgeon here to work at a hospital - we really have no idea.

ReflectentMonatomism · 21/12/2018 12:19

He may be a heart surgeon here to work at a hospital

Then he would have a Tier 2 visa organised by his employer. Next?

ReflectentMonatomism · 21/12/2018 12:20

An 'elopement' 3 months after meeting - I can honestly tell you - hasn't a hope in hell of obtaining a spousal visa

And I suspect I speak for many by saying "and quite right too".

Kikidelivers · 21/12/2018 12:45

He may be a heart surgeon here to work at a hospital

Struggling to scrape together £1500?
Don’t be daft

QuackPorridgeBacon · 21/12/2018 12:51

Kikidelivers Exactly.

hellsbellsmelons · 21/12/2018 13:13

Really shaking my head at this
WHY?
I know 2 very intelligent women taken in like this.
Married fast, came over, stayed a while and then fucked off with someone else.
It was obvious to all that what they wanted to an 'in' to the UK!
It happens all the time.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 21/12/2018 15:35

If you're so grown up at 34 that you can make your own decisions why are you not grown up enough to budget for them?

Dallasty · 21/12/2018 16:01

Thread is possible fake / made up? Either way is appears that OP has disappeared...there has not been one response from her.

tixerB · 21/12/2018 16:04

Your mum does sound like she's been horrid in the past. But OP, this has scam written all over it. And people who have grown up feeling unloved are the most vulnerable to these sorts of things.

elliemillie · 21/12/2018 22:49

So your mum wasn't invited to the wedding but is supposed to compliment the wedding dress?

Also she needs to cough up money otherwise you will abandon her? Sounds like you already did. She probably knows you are going to go NC if you don't get your way again anyway.

You don't sound 34. This is a post my 14 year old would write when she is having a strip about me not funding her whims. Unbelievable.

PatricksRum · 21/12/2018 23:09

Are you for real?
She clearly has more on her mind than being a guarantor for her 34 year-old daughter to pay to bring her husband from overseas Confused
That's your problem to sort out, not hers.

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