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Am I wrong for going NC with my terminally ill mother?

119 replies

Lupielove · 19/12/2018 17:08

Since March 2018, my mother has been back in the UK due to a cancer diagnosis. We hadn't spoken for almost a year (my decision), so my aunt begged me to contact her fearing she was going to die. I eventually reached out via text, but was scared to engage with her because historically, I always get my fingers burnt. For the first time, I was in a good, happy place - my depression/anxiety was much better and I didn't want to jeopardize that. We had a brief chat on my first visit and agreed to try to move forward in a healthy manner.

All year, I've done my best to be supportive whilst she undergoes treatments to extend her life (no chance of curing stage 4 nsclc). I have attended appointments, spent time with her in her home, ran errands/housework, made her food/drinks, bought her CBD oil etc. I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her.

Here's where it gets interesting...

I eloped to marry the love of my life in Nov, and told her about it on my return. I knew she'd never approve of me marrying someone so quickly (3 months), but I didn't care. At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions. I wasn't going to give her the opportunity to talk me out of it - like she has my whole life. She was disappointed, but seemed OK about it. She even enquires how he's doing whenever we speak. She's never been this supportive in my life.

Thinking that our relationship was finally getting somewhere, I asked her if she'd agree to extending a loan I took out last year (she's my guarantor), to help SO and I with our solicitors fees (he's a foreign national so would need a visa to come to the UK as my spouse). Having already paid over half the loan back, I just wanted an extra £1.5k to add to what money we have scraped between us (otherwise it'd be months before we have enough and I miss my man). Without even inquiring how much we'd need or how we intend to pay it back, she just says NO. When I ask her why, she says she doesn't want any involvement in my "drama", she doesn't agree with it and she's not a charity either. When I tell her that it's not her money I'm asking to borrow - all I need is her signature, she flat out refused. I explained calmly how we intend to pay it back (we both work) and that she could consider it a wedding gift - she just got more belligerent, made some nasty comments about my "poor foreign husband" and then hung up the phone and refused to answer.

Feeling aggrieved, I text her and told her I won't be attending her 60th birthday dinner with the whole family this weekend. I never wanted to go in the first place. The only reason I agreed is because she started crying and saying that it could be her last milestone birthday ever.

After that call, I figured why should I put myself out for her? What exactly do I get out of this mother-daughter relationship? I can't talk to her about anything. She says NO to absolutely everything (so I stopped asking her ages go, wish I never bothered on this occasion). I've never had her support financial or otherwise. She allowed my step dad to be abusive growing up. She over-criticizes everything I say/do.

She had an opportunity to do something thoughtful and kind for me (at zero risk/cost to herself), but instead she chose to trample all over my feelings. She accused me of "chucking her aside" when I told her I won't be coming, and reckons she still "loves me, even though the love has felt one-sided." Are you kidding me? I grew up thinking I wasn't welcome in my own home, and you're playing the victim?

To this day - she hasn't congratulated me on my marriage. She hasn't told me she thinks I look pretty in my wedding pics. She even asked me not to mention my wedding to anyone at her birthday dinner, and not to wear my ring! When I asked her why, she said she didn't want it to overshadow her birthday celebrations. WOW.

Consequently, I've told her that I can't do this anymore and that I need to go back to how I was before she came back to the UK (when I was happy being on my own and having no contact with her), because my mental health and overall well-being are suffering. Cancer or not, I don't owe her anything. I don't even know if I love her anymore much less like her... I feel bad for doing this right before her birthday and Christmas whilst she has cancer, but I don't want to know her any more. She makes me feel small and worthless.

OP posts:
ChocSprinkles18 · 19/12/2018 19:31

Hmmm she doesn’t say no to everything though does she? She guaranteed your loan a year ago. If I was her I wouldn’t guarantee your loan, seems very risky!

Figgygal · 19/12/2018 19:33

You did what?
You are joking aren't you?

CaptainsYuleLog · 19/12/2018 19:38

Your poor mother.

PrincessConsuelaBannanaHammock · 19/12/2018 19:39

I'm really struggling to even believe this is real Confused
Firstly can a dying person even be a guarantor?
Second, you chose to see her despite what happened in the past, and you seem to now be throwing your dummy out the pram because she won't help you fiance moving someone you've known for 3 months to the UK?
I'm not saying your mum isn't at fault for anything previously, but in this situation I really don't think she is the one being unreasonable. This must be a difficult time for you with your mum being so ill and seeing her again but I can be totally honest and say if it was my daughter marrying someone after 3 months when they could be using her for a visa I wouldn't fiance it either!

buttybuttychristmastree · 19/12/2018 19:45

Your mum is suffering from terminal cancer. You asked her to be a guarantor for your loan. If she was well, you would be putting her at financial risk if you didn't keep up with your repayments.

Not only are you being selfish, entitled and insensitive, you're highlighting the fact that she's going to die and indirectly suggesting that it doesn't matter if she agrees to the signature of not.

Saying NO is the only control your poor Mum has right now.

Opheliasgoldenwine · 19/12/2018 19:46

I don't know if this is a wind up or not Shock

olivertwistwantsmore · 19/12/2018 19:52

Your situation with your h sounds odd - why get married after only 3 months if you haven’t enough money for a visa?

Your mum is well within her rights to refuse to be guarantor. Your first reaction is: I’m talking to her again, she can lend me money? Sounds a bit odd, and selfish, especially when she’s terminally ill.

Sorry, op, but you sound U here...

ReggieKrayDoYouKnowMyName · 19/12/2018 19:54

This whole thing is odd. She sounds like a piece of work but you sound flighty and she obviously doesn’t like that. You can’t force her to be a guarantor.

Happyjolly1 · 19/12/2018 19:55

Turn the other cheek.

Be the better person. Yes it’s sad she doesn’t want to discuss this with you and/or provide the signature. But really? You’re going to take this approach over access to more money?

Wake up.

Youbrokemytwatometer · 19/12/2018 19:55

Don't you think that your mum is a little hurt that you've been back in contact all this time and you've managed to start a relationship and marry the guy without mentioning in it? Despite you saying I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her which obviously isn't even true! But you then want her to facilitate that marriage? Maybe she feels that that's really bloody cheeky. You said yourself that this is the most supportive she's ever been. Well she only supports your decision so far and that is absolutely her right.

Gazelda · 19/12/2018 19:57

Your mum is possibly worried sick that you've met a man online, married him 3 months later and now need to borrow money to fund his visa application. She might be feeling as though your fragile mental state might be being exploited. She might be thinking that she doesn't want you to get into financial difficulties by taking this loan.

She may be doing this out of concern and love.

beanaseireann · 19/12/2018 20:15

At 34 I'd think you should have more sense than to marry someone who you've known for such a short time, who lives abroad and needs a visa to live in the UK and needs money from you too.
I hope you're not being had OP

YoungLennyGodber · 19/12/2018 20:20

What a way to treat your dying mother, OP. Heartless behaviour on your part. Sort it out yourselves- you didn’t need her permission to be married, so you and your husband are old enough to sort out your own finances. Fancy burdening a dying person with that! You’re my age, so I guess she’s not really old either.

Shame on you!

Greenglassteacup · 19/12/2018 20:32

How on earth could a terminally ill person act as guarantor?

Greenglassteacup · 19/12/2018 20:33

You do come across as a self centred teenager

SoftlyCatchyMonkey1 · 19/12/2018 20:35

She's a guarantor - ofcourse she has risk!

Purpleisthenewblue1 · 19/12/2018 20:39

I don’t think you should really be asking your dying mother for money. I have never asked my parents for money, it’s only been given on occasion as a gift.

Whatever your relationship has been like in the past this is a time to be charitable and look at any small positives she has done for you.

It’s not always about you. Sometimes you have to put another before yourself (an old fashioned concept now I know).

RoseAndRose · 19/12/2018 20:44

So your unhelpful DMum is actually already a loan guarantor to you, but now terminally ill she will not extend that to a further loan.

Being a guarantor is never 'zero risk' and she is terminally ill.

That is an exceedingly good reason not to take on new obligations (and you as well find that she was barred anyhow).

I think your strop sounds far more petulant than her comments in your brand new relationship.

She may well have a happier time at the gathering if she does not have to deal with you. Despite all that, she wants you there. You now have to decide what sort of person you are, and whether money is the thing that matters most to you.

Blablaa · 19/12/2018 20:46

If this is not a reverse/a piece of creative writing I will eat my santa hat.

Littleraindrop15 · 19/12/2018 20:50

This can't be real?

Yabu your poor mother

NeverStopExploring · 19/12/2018 20:52

Old enough to make your mind up who to marry but not old enough to save the money for a visa. I don’t care what drip feed is on its way you lost me totally when you threw the 60th birthday back in her face. Cut contact or remain in contact but don’t manipulate a dying lady. Your behaviour is disgusting. I hope the marriage works for your sake. Maybe ask him to foot the bill for the visa you seem to both desperately need

WheelyCoteClaus · 19/12/2018 20:56

Is this a fake thread?

It can't be real

Bacardi101 · 19/12/2018 20:57

I hope your a troll OP

WheelyCoteClaus · 19/12/2018 20:57

I hope this is a wind up OP

MooseBeTimeForSnow · 19/12/2018 21:00

Randomly, the first thought that entered my mind was whether or not your mum is a health tourist.