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Am I wrong for going NC with my terminally ill mother?

119 replies

Lupielove · 19/12/2018 17:08

Since March 2018, my mother has been back in the UK due to a cancer diagnosis. We hadn't spoken for almost a year (my decision), so my aunt begged me to contact her fearing she was going to die. I eventually reached out via text, but was scared to engage with her because historically, I always get my fingers burnt. For the first time, I was in a good, happy place - my depression/anxiety was much better and I didn't want to jeopardize that. We had a brief chat on my first visit and agreed to try to move forward in a healthy manner.

All year, I've done my best to be supportive whilst she undergoes treatments to extend her life (no chance of curing stage 4 nsclc). I have attended appointments, spent time with her in her home, ran errands/housework, made her food/drinks, bought her CBD oil etc. I had to push past all my own stuff to be present for her.

Here's where it gets interesting...

I eloped to marry the love of my life in Nov, and told her about it on my return. I knew she'd never approve of me marrying someone so quickly (3 months), but I didn't care. At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions. I wasn't going to give her the opportunity to talk me out of it - like she has my whole life. She was disappointed, but seemed OK about it. She even enquires how he's doing whenever we speak. She's never been this supportive in my life.

Thinking that our relationship was finally getting somewhere, I asked her if she'd agree to extending a loan I took out last year (she's my guarantor), to help SO and I with our solicitors fees (he's a foreign national so would need a visa to come to the UK as my spouse). Having already paid over half the loan back, I just wanted an extra £1.5k to add to what money we have scraped between us (otherwise it'd be months before we have enough and I miss my man). Without even inquiring how much we'd need or how we intend to pay it back, she just says NO. When I ask her why, she says she doesn't want any involvement in my "drama", she doesn't agree with it and she's not a charity either. When I tell her that it's not her money I'm asking to borrow - all I need is her signature, she flat out refused. I explained calmly how we intend to pay it back (we both work) and that she could consider it a wedding gift - she just got more belligerent, made some nasty comments about my "poor foreign husband" and then hung up the phone and refused to answer.

Feeling aggrieved, I text her and told her I won't be attending her 60th birthday dinner with the whole family this weekend. I never wanted to go in the first place. The only reason I agreed is because she started crying and saying that it could be her last milestone birthday ever.

After that call, I figured why should I put myself out for her? What exactly do I get out of this mother-daughter relationship? I can't talk to her about anything. She says NO to absolutely everything (so I stopped asking her ages go, wish I never bothered on this occasion). I've never had her support financial or otherwise. She allowed my step dad to be abusive growing up. She over-criticizes everything I say/do.

She had an opportunity to do something thoughtful and kind for me (at zero risk/cost to herself), but instead she chose to trample all over my feelings. She accused me of "chucking her aside" when I told her I won't be coming, and reckons she still "loves me, even though the love has felt one-sided." Are you kidding me? I grew up thinking I wasn't welcome in my own home, and you're playing the victim?

To this day - she hasn't congratulated me on my marriage. She hasn't told me she thinks I look pretty in my wedding pics. She even asked me not to mention my wedding to anyone at her birthday dinner, and not to wear my ring! When I asked her why, she said she didn't want it to overshadow her birthday celebrations. WOW.

Consequently, I've told her that I can't do this anymore and that I need to go back to how I was before she came back to the UK (when I was happy being on my own and having no contact with her), because my mental health and overall well-being are suffering. Cancer or not, I don't owe her anything. I don't even know if I love her anymore much less like her... I feel bad for doing this right before her birthday and Christmas whilst she has cancer, but I don't want to know her any more. She makes me feel small and worthless.

OP posts:
Jinglealltheway2018 · 19/12/2018 21:07

Reverse?

ittakes2 · 19/12/2018 21:07

You said you have never asked for financial help from her - then how did she end up your guarantor? The 3 month whirlwind romance is one thing - but I’m sorry if he is not even in the country as a mother I would be worried he wants to marry you for your residency.

heiheithechicken · 19/12/2018 21:10

Can a terminaly ill person even be guarantor?

^
This.

S0upertrooper · 19/12/2018 21:26

'At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions'

OP if you are old enough to make your own decisions then you are old enough to take responsibility for your own finances. I'd be less concerned about your DM's response and more concerned with yours. No one owes you money or to secure a loan on your behalf. Surely you knew the cost of getting a visa for 'the love of your life'?

Perhaps your childhood wasn't great-happens to the best of us but time to take responsibility for your own life and stop acting like a spoiled child. I hope for your sake your relationship works out.

legalseagull · 19/12/2018 21:45

News flash- it's not her, it's you! How utterly selfish.

KeiTeNgeNge · 19/12/2018 21:46

I wouldn’t be a guarantor in that situation either. Your response was massively over the top too. Three months is awfully fast for a relationship and marriage and she obviously is concerned if not showing it in the best way.

Graphista · 19/12/2018 22:30

Reverse? I kinda hope so

Doobee · 19/12/2018 23:55

I’m guessing this isn’t a genuine post. The OP hasn’t even been back. Troll.

wondertime · 20/12/2018 00:07

I think there is more to this than could be written in OP's post

*She allowed my step dad to be abusive growing up
*I grew up thinking I wasn't welcome in my own home

SoleBizzz · 20/12/2018 00:09

Money for a passport? You fool.

CanSurvive · 20/12/2018 00:13

Feel this is written as a reverse.
The only thing I remember is that you’ve married someone you don’t know who isn’t in the same country after 3 months.

Orchardgreen · 20/12/2018 00:20

Your poor mother, having a daughter like you.

QuackPorridgeBacon · 20/12/2018 15:40

So, you are asking her for money when you are only talking to her because she is dying? There is a risk as a guarantor, you could end up not paying it and then she spends her dying days fighting off debt collectors. She doesn’t sound great and I won’t tel you how she is because I do not know. But ffs you asked for something and she said no, you should have accepted the answer.

hellsbellsmelons · 20/12/2018 15:54

I knew she'd never approve of me marrying someone so quickly (3 months), but I didn't care
Wow – so your dying mother had no opportunity to see her DD get married?!
Very glad you aren’t my DD.

he's a foreign national so would need a visa to come to the UK as my spouse
And you married him within 3 months of meeting him.
WOW – naivety at it’s very best.
I’m not surprised your mother wouldn’t have approved.

I’ve no doubt you’ve had to deal with serious shit with your DM throughout your life.
And it’s totally up to you if you want to go NC.
If you couldn’t afford the visa when you married then you shouldn’t have married so hastily.
You should have had funds in place to be able to do what you needed to do.
You just assumed your DM would step up and she hasn’t.
And judging by what you’ve done I’m right behind her on that one!

hellsbellsmelons · 20/12/2018 15:55

I’m guessing this isn’t a genuine post
I do hope not. There can't be anyone as dumb and selfish as this out there... surely????

Aridane · 20/12/2018 16:01

Someone is comyacross as pretty vile and reckless (and it’s not the morlther) - sorry

peekyboo · 20/12/2018 16:44

This thread has a good froth going. All the OP needs is to be pregnant with twins.

AlexaShutUp · 20/12/2018 17:42

I'm wondering why you even need a solicitor to apply for a spouse visa. We did it ourselves. It isn't difficult if you can evidence that your relationship is genuine and that you meet the financial requirements. I'm guessing that you might struggle to prove the relationship is genuine after knowing each other for such a short period?

Anyway, I think YABVU to demand that your mother acts as a guarantor for this and to cut contact because she doesn't want to. If I'm honest, you sound very immature and self-centred. Your mother is dying. Whatever this e history is between you both, have a little compassion now. You may regret it later if you don't.

Aridane · 20/12/2018 17:45

Oh, phew, this is all made up!

ReflectentMonatomism · 20/12/2018 17:54

At 34, I'm old enough to make my own decisions.

But not, apparently, old enough to pay your own bills.

Lupielove · 21/12/2018 09:00

I hadn't asked her for any money... it was to extend a small loan. She wouldn't have had to give a penny.

OP posts:
TeamSpirit · 21/12/2018 09:07

Is that all you have to say???

Fairylea · 21/12/2018 09:13

I have a toxic mother. If you don’t want to have contact with her, then don’t.

BUT

You can’t use her to borrow money. If she’s so awful you can’t have contact with her then it’s no contact at all, not using her for whatever you want when you want.

You sound really young and naive. I’m sorry but who in their right mind marries someone who lives in another country after 3 months and needs to borrow money to get them here on a visa?!

Utterly mad.

ReflectentMonatomism · 21/12/2018 10:52

it was to extend a small loan. She wouldn't have had to give a penny.

34, and doesn't understand what "guarantor" means.

When I was 34 I didn't need guarantors to borrow money, because I was credit-worthy.

You do, so presumably aren't.

What happens when you can't make the payments because your "husband" of five minutes has run off with your money?

StarbucksSmarterSister · 21/12/2018 11:00

Poor woman (I mean your mother, not you).

Incidentally if you haven't spoken for a year did you cut her off just after she acted as guarantor the first time? Nice.

You also need to look up what guarantor actually means.