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Would this bother you or have I gone all feminist/sensitive/irritable

141 replies

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:00

Me and the man I am dating for the last few months both work in a similar industry, with slightly different jobs and completely different disciplines within that industry. He is paid better as he had been doing in a few years longer and he came from money. Let's call him John. That's the background.

This issue is not all job based, but it is the job thing that frustrates me most, so I will start with that. Obviously in real life I wouldn't say this (!!) but I am an intelligent woman and I have done well for myself. I love a good debate and learning new things and will always say if I don't know or understand something - I know I'm not stupid so I am comfortable doing this. John however thinks he knows everything about everything, including my job. Even when it is completely and utterly wrong. Last night he made a comment about how general people believe x and it is just crazy because it is so wrong. This is my 'area' of specialism and so I said actually it is like that, but the exception is y - not what he had said at all. He laughed at me in a sort of mocking way and just said "sweetheart it really isn't." He usually calls me sweetheart so that's normal but it felt hugely patronising.

I was furious! Luckily the food came that moment and I chose to not go into it as we have had real friction in the past over this sort of thing.

This happens regularly. I got into my job without any contacts, he got in through his Dad. This means he has essentially had all doors open to him from day 1 and (dare I say it!) he is intelligent but I often feel he doesn't always think about things with an open mind and often misses the point. I came from a privileged background too, but my (ridiculous) views from my early twenties are long gone - for instance he still thinks all homeless people are to blame for being homeless (you cant even discuss the wider possibilities here) and he blames my closest friend for never having a better paid job (she could work harder in fairness but equally she has not had anywhere near the opportunity me and him have had). These were views I had when I just left school - very narrow minded. They are not views I hold now and I can listen to another's point of view and properly consider it.

He thinks he knows everything. The drive between my house and his (I had done it nearly 50 times before he did - and he told me i was going the wrong way as his sat nav didn't go that route...obviously I am not an idiot and after so many times I had worked out the quickest route...)

Other times we will be chatting about something and I will mention a fact of interest about the topic where appropriate and he will exclaim "that's right! Well done sweetheart!" I honestly don't think he means to be rude here but I find it insulting.

The feminist point...he's made comments about men being better in his area than the women, it is "just a fact" because "women are too emotional." I think this may have stemmed from a chat we had once where I had said i think women can be emotional at work more than men (at least i can be!). However, saying women are not as good at their job as a general rule is rather different I think? (He's never criticised me and my ability).

What do you think? Am I being total idiot? Happy to hear that if that's the view...thanks for reading :)

OP posts:
Lilifer · 09/12/2018 10:36

OP your instinct is telling you that this is not the man for you. Why are you trying to talk yourself in to staying with him? Why are u not trusting your gut on this one? Believe me, I married a man that sounds very like John and we are now getting divorced.

NotANotMan · 09/12/2018 10:36

Why are you apologising for calling yourself intelligent? In real life and on here?

Ohyesiam · 09/12/2018 10:36

He sounds insufferable.

Competitive, smug and really dull. I couldn’t cope with how everything comes back to him.

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:39

I think I am a bit shocked because I came from a privileged background so I am used to people having it all from an early age...but being in a relationship with someone like this, who GENUINELY cannot see that he is where he is because he has been handed that opportunity - it makes me think he is utterly stupid. It is embarrassing.

I wasn't handed my job on a plate, but I probably had all sorts of support and encouragement and small financial benefits that raised the chances of me being where I am. Maybe I am more intelligent than someone who will never make it, but then maybe I am not. Being oblivious and refusing to acknowledge your own privilege and then speak badly of people who are less well off than you...I find that hard to deal with and to me it is the mark of someone very unintelligent!

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Yohooo · 09/12/2018 10:40

The other day he said he was "extremely emotionally intelligent and had to be because of his job."

🤮🤮. What a ridiculous and pompous thing to say. I’d be running for the door if I heard him say that. It’s the definition of a wanky thing to say.

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:41

Posters asking why I am talking myself into staying with him - Im not really, I am just talking it through and trying to be fair with the facts not just selective ones.

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carrotflinger · 09/12/2018 10:41

He's a twat. He's overtly sexist - doesn't even try to hide it.
You deserve better than that.

ConferencePear · 09/12/2018 10:41

I wouldn't want to spend much time with anyone who addressed me as sweetheart on a regular basis.

RandomMess · 09/12/2018 10:42

If you stay with him how is it going to work when you can't agree on something (where to live/which house to buy/ school for DC)?

He is superior and always right so he isn't going to "compromise"

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:43

That's the thing though, he DOES compromise. I am a forceful woman and I stand up for what I believe in and my views.

He would go along with my decisions on things. But along the way these comments would arise.

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Giggorata · 09/12/2018 10:45

You are already feeling sick and wanting to leave after some of the insufferable shit he has come out with.. trust your feelings, it will not improve.
What a total arse.

RandomMess · 09/12/2018 10:46

So you will alway be "the little woman" that he has humoured and gone along with...

I don't think you could tolerate it long term!

noffink · 09/12/2018 10:47

There are lots of men out there like this. I was sitting in a restaurant yesterday next to a couple in a date, he was doing this and she looked pissed off and bored to tears but nodded along to him.

It reminded me of all the crap dates/relationships I had in my 20's. These men don't view women as equal. End of. They have great qualities and I n paper are a 'good catch' but wear you down with their disconnect. The cognitive dissonance is massive but they can't see it.

category12 · 09/12/2018 10:48

It's really easy to stand up for yourself when it's just you. You can be confident and argue your point.

Pregnancy, child-birth and having small children saps your energy (and often your confidence and even your sense of self). You need someone who supports you and buoys you up, not someone you have to endlessly fight your corner with. Those little comments and underlying sentiment behind chip away and erode over time.

UpstartCrow · 09/12/2018 10:49

He would go along with my decisions on things
He'll give way to you on things he doesn't care about.

If I pull him up on things he will eventually back down and say "ok maybe you a right then darling."
You haven't changed his mind, he doesn't agree with you. He has just decided to stop arguing about it.

Yohooo · 09/12/2018 10:49

I am a forceful woman and I stand up for what I believe in and my views

Why would you want to be in a relationship where you need to be forceful and up for what you believe in and your views? My DH just discuss things, we don’t always agree but no one has to be forceful with their views. That would be so tiresome.

Ellie56 · 09/12/2018 10:51

He is a sexist patronising twat. "Sweetheart"? Really? Hmm

He is not going to get better as this is who he is. You deserve better. Stop putting up with this shit and dump him.

TwistedStitch · 09/12/2018 10:51

'Going along with things' is him patting you on the head. He'll let you have your way about certain stuff (probably because he thinks you'll get all emotional otherwise Hmm), but it's not because he agrees or things you have a valid point.

Marnimajor · 09/12/2018 10:52

The only way this is going to work is if you dim your light a little bit. Don’t do that, ever.

Ellie56 · 09/12/2018 10:53

And yes in answer to your question being with this insufferable knob would bother me.

Yulebealrite · 09/12/2018 10:58

I was furious! Luckily the food came that moment and I chose to not go into it as we have had real friction in the past over this sort of thing.

I find myself getting tangled into disputes with him over things and wonder if I should just nod along even when he is entirely wrong?!

This is where you are going wrong. Confront it head on. When you feel he's being a dick tell him so and tell him why. If it causes friction then it will resolve itself one way or another.

Either it will reach peak point and you'll decide the relationship isn't worth it and then it'll be easier to finish it
Or
He'll begin to get some real insight into his thought process (as you admit you've done in recent years) and begin to change his way of thinking. He's not going to do this miraculously. You'll need to point out things constantly.

The situation will resolve itself but it won't if you don't confront things head on.

IWasTrendingThereForAMinute · 09/12/2018 10:59

An emotionaly intelligent thing to do is to walk away from this relationship. He's a cock. You see it. You know it. It's only a matter of time before he says something so outrageous you can't ignore it or you will carry on ignoring this massive personality flaw and be tied to him and then regret it. You will wonder WTF you didn't end it at the beginning when you first knew he was basically a cock.
If you fade him out now you can carry on working with him with no damage. If you leave it and get deeper in and then end it (after he says the outrageous thing) it won't be so easy and guess who will be leaving the company? It won't be him.

ElspethFlashman · 09/12/2018 11:00

It sounds to me like he would maybe make a good partner - to someone else! Grin

croprotationinthe13thcentury · 09/12/2018 11:00

The idea of spending a lifetime with somebody like this - i really could think of nothing worse.
Saying he is extremely emotionally intelligent is hugely ironic as this is the precise opposite of what somebody who actually is that would say.
You said he gives to the homeless? My god, I am sure he does, and I would bet he lets EVERYBODY in the world know about it. That’s not altruism - that’s being a cock.

IrenetheQuaint · 09/12/2018 11:03

Why are you trying so hard to be "fair" to him, OP? Your reactions are entirely justified. He is awful.

Plus, dating isn't about making a scrupulously fair judgement on every man you encounter, it's about finding someone who you love spending time with and feel valued by (and want to shag senseless).