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Would this bother you or have I gone all feminist/sensitive/irritable

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whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:00

Me and the man I am dating for the last few months both work in a similar industry, with slightly different jobs and completely different disciplines within that industry. He is paid better as he had been doing in a few years longer and he came from money. Let's call him John. That's the background.

This issue is not all job based, but it is the job thing that frustrates me most, so I will start with that. Obviously in real life I wouldn't say this (!!) but I am an intelligent woman and I have done well for myself. I love a good debate and learning new things and will always say if I don't know or understand something - I know I'm not stupid so I am comfortable doing this. John however thinks he knows everything about everything, including my job. Even when it is completely and utterly wrong. Last night he made a comment about how general people believe x and it is just crazy because it is so wrong. This is my 'area' of specialism and so I said actually it is like that, but the exception is y - not what he had said at all. He laughed at me in a sort of mocking way and just said "sweetheart it really isn't." He usually calls me sweetheart so that's normal but it felt hugely patronising.

I was furious! Luckily the food came that moment and I chose to not go into it as we have had real friction in the past over this sort of thing.

This happens regularly. I got into my job without any contacts, he got in through his Dad. This means he has essentially had all doors open to him from day 1 and (dare I say it!) he is intelligent but I often feel he doesn't always think about things with an open mind and often misses the point. I came from a privileged background too, but my (ridiculous) views from my early twenties are long gone - for instance he still thinks all homeless people are to blame for being homeless (you cant even discuss the wider possibilities here) and he blames my closest friend for never having a better paid job (she could work harder in fairness but equally she has not had anywhere near the opportunity me and him have had). These were views I had when I just left school - very narrow minded. They are not views I hold now and I can listen to another's point of view and properly consider it.

He thinks he knows everything. The drive between my house and his (I had done it nearly 50 times before he did - and he told me i was going the wrong way as his sat nav didn't go that route...obviously I am not an idiot and after so many times I had worked out the quickest route...)

Other times we will be chatting about something and I will mention a fact of interest about the topic where appropriate and he will exclaim "that's right! Well done sweetheart!" I honestly don't think he means to be rude here but I find it insulting.

The feminist point...he's made comments about men being better in his area than the women, it is "just a fact" because "women are too emotional." I think this may have stemmed from a chat we had once where I had said i think women can be emotional at work more than men (at least i can be!). However, saying women are not as good at their job as a general rule is rather different I think? (He's never criticised me and my ability).

What do you think? Am I being total idiot? Happy to hear that if that's the view...thanks for reading :)

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AFistfulofDolores1 · 09/12/2018 10:16

Have you pointed his behaviour out to him? I know not everyone would do this, but I'd say to him, "I wonder if you've learned you've had to prove yourself by knowing everything? It's not going to work with me."

It's a psychological front that he feels he needs to put on in order to feel validated.

JennyHolzersGhost · 09/12/2018 10:16

Is feminism a bad thing then ? 🤔

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:17

He doesn't say I am not intelligent but I imagine he believes he is far superior. Then I have just admitted to all of you that I think I am intelligent and I think he can often miss the point - maybe I am just as bad.

To the poster who suggested I thought feminism is a dirty word. I do not think that. I merely queried whether its use here was appropriate.

He is many other nice things but it is SO annoying to feel I constantly am undermined when making any sort of intelligent comment.

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whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:18

For clarity: I DO NOT THINK FEMINISM IS A BAD THING, I JUST QUERIED THE USE OF THE WORD IN THIS CONTEXT!

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whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:19

afistfull - actually I learned the other day that a friend had implied he wasn't intelligent (I think in a jokey context) and I haven't heard the end of it.

I think his intellect is something that he defines himself as most of all.

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JennyHolzersGhost · 09/12/2018 10:19

“He is many other nice things but it is SO annoying to feel I constantly am undermined when making any sort of intelligent comment.”

There you go then, you’ve got your answer. He’s a patronising sexist prick. Can you imagine what life would be like if your relationship evolves? You’d end up being one of those women who come on here asking for advice about how to get your life back after a few years of being treated as chief cook, bottle washer and brood mare.

TwistedStitch · 09/12/2018 10:21

He's sexist and patronising, as well lacking in emotional intelligence or the ability to empathise with others. He wouldn't be for me but you are now jumping to his defence so maybe you like having your own experiences mansplained to you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/12/2018 10:22

He is not apologising at all here and thinks he is superior to you in all things. Time therefore to give John the boot.

Raise your relationship bar higher too going forward.

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:23

jenny i genuinely do not think he would expect me to give up work if I chose not to - in fact we had talked about that (not as between us but generally!).

He is actually easy going in the sense that if I say I want to do x or y then he is happy with that.

However I do think his approach to what I say will always be like this.

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whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:23

The other day he said he was "extremely emotionally intelligent and had to be because of his job."

This made me feel sick. Not sure why.

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KatsutheClockworkOctopus · 09/12/2018 10:24

He thinks you are less than him. He may be ok in other respects at the moment, but eventually you will see the evidence of this contempt in everything.

"Sweetheart, it's really not" would have had me out the door tbh.

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:25

katsu would it really? I wanted to leave in that moment but in my head I kept thinking that's a silly reaction, calm down etc. But it is how I felt.

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 09/12/2018 10:25

Early in a relationship everything should be pretty easy. We all do our best to show our good side and try to minimise our defects.

What I’m saying is, in my experience, if something irritates you this much early on, then it will only get worse. This is him at his best and at his best he thinks you are inferior to him.

It’s really unlikely that he is going to change dramatically so the question is can you put up with this flaw? Are you okay with him always being like this? If you are, crack on. If not, then perhaps it might be worth rethinking whether you are compatible.

AnnaMagnani · 09/12/2018 10:26

I went on a few dates with men like your partner before I met my now DH. Couldn't stand more than one date with them.

It's not you, it's him.

A proper partner is interested in listening to you and can accept when he has got it wrong, even if it is a bit grudging. That person is worth hanging on to.

FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 09/12/2018 10:26

Grin at the idea that he thinks he has any emotional intelligence at all!

category12 · 09/12/2018 10:28

In the dictionary under "man-splaining", there's a picture of him.

Honestly, he may be alright for a bit of fun, but I wouldn't get serious with him. Especially if your long term goals include having children. If you want children and anticipate taking any time off from work to raise them/reduce your hours, that'll be the time those views will bite you in the arse and squash you.

ChimesAtMidnight · 09/12/2018 10:28

Ask yourself if you would want to have children with this man; the boys will be young gods and the daughters will forever be second class.
Please believe me.

TwistedStitch · 09/12/2018 10:28

Do you want to settle down, start a family at some point? Can you imagine him telling you all about pregnancy/ childbirth?

JennyHolzersGhost · 09/12/2018 10:29

Somewhere inside you, OP, there is a very sensible and intelligent feminist trying desperately to get out. Listen to her. Free your inner feminist !

whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:30

I think he would be great at taking care of me in pregnancy etc but yes I do believe he would do as he has done with everything else and know it all. I would find that hard.

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whatsthatcar · 09/12/2018 10:32

His sibling (female) is in a very very good job and he is proud of her. I dont believe for a second that he would treat a daughter differently. I actually think the superiority spans anyone - male or female!

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ElizabethinherGermanGarden · 09/12/2018 10:32

This:

Would this bother you or have I gone all feminist/sensitive/irritable
KatsutheClockworkOctopus · 09/12/2018 10:33

whatsthatcar yes. Not at that precise moment probably, but soon. Years ago a man said something similar to me (about cricket of all things!). I can't explain but it was like what he said switched off any attraction I may have had. Everything else changed once I put it against how little he clearly thought of me. (Hopefully that makes sense!)

category12 · 09/12/2018 10:34

Ugh. He sounds so arrogant. Either one day he'll suffer a setback he won't be able to cope with and will spin out, or he'll become Donald Trump.

Yohooo · 09/12/2018 10:35

Sorry but he sounds like a knob. My husband is actually way more intellectual than I am but wouldn’t dream of making comments like that. He earns many times what I do and has a far more ‘important’ job but he considers me just as important and valuable as himself.

You have only been dating this guy a few months and it’s clear he is a patronizing know-it-all. He isn’t going to improve over time.

I think guys like him get away with it because they are rich, intelligent and privileged. They also generally know how to behave in a favourable light so can come across well. That’s why when their true personality seeps out you have to pay attention.

Personally I’d dump him.