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Breakdown of marriage after 15 years - a bit of a shock.

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ChristyC · 20/06/2007 21:27

My husband and I have been married for 15 years. We have 2 lovely children and a lovely home, he works hard, as do I and we've always had a lot of fun and laughs. The problem is, that when we socialise, he drinks so much and gets aggressive with other people and myself. He has never hit me, but been very intimidating, throws things around and quite frankly scares me. He has a reputation for being tough and not one to mess with and although the incidences are not particually frequent I know they are damaging. A couple of years ago he ended up in crown court after beating someone up and I stood by him over 10 long months when others didn't want to know. He promised then to not drink so much but since then there have been at least 4 incidences when he has and behaved really badly. He is a lovely man when sober, but the way he behaves when he is drunk is appalling. I am at a point now where I don't trust him not to do it again. 2 weeks ago he moved out and I have really enjoyed the time on my own. He has behaved badly when drunk for a long time - certainly since I have known him and as he barely remembers the next day, he can't seem to understand how crippling it is for me. I remember his face and eyes when he is drunk and how scared and angry I am and I think that each time over the years he has behaved like that a little piece of love for him has died. He has been coming back home to see the children but the pressure he is putting on me to work it out is really hard to deal with. I feel like I am bailing out, although he has been given so many chances I have never asked him to leave before. I think I am looking for someone out there who may have been in a similiar situation and can give me any advice or pointers as to where I go from here. Many thanks.

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zookeeper · 04/07/2007 08:46

Just a quickie GUM to congratulate you - the first few days are the worst but it does get easier - I never think about them now and I was a heavy smoker for years. Allen Carr's "easyway" book helped me but he's not for everyone.

ginnedupmummy · 04/07/2007 14:16

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zookeeper · 04/07/2007 17:29

I suppose I should be grateful for small mercies - my dp does at least smoke in the garde

zookeeper · 06/07/2007 22:03

Hi all - how are you all?

ginnedupmummy · 07/07/2007 09:52

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zookeeper · 07/07/2007 09:57

OK thanks but a bit battle weary- DP has gone to stay with friends for the weekend so I'm trying to imagine what it will be like with him gone permanently - don't know how i'll feel, or if he'll go.

Just attempting to have a good weekend with the dcs.

Havr you had a fag? Have a good weekend

ginnedupmummy · 09/07/2007 17:14

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zookeeper · 09/07/2007 17:27

One of the nice things about being single (I am searching desperately) will be that i can open a bottle of wine and have a glass without that sinking feeling as I watch it disappear ridiculously quickly into DP's gob.

Very impressed with the smoking GUM, especially as you are stressed.

Tanee58 · 10/07/2007 11:46

Hi everyone, how are the fagless lives going?

Oh, I so know what you mean about the wine . Now that dp's gone off to his summer season, I bought 6 bottles at Tesco knowing that they will last me for ages. I opened one on Sunday and have only had two glasses out of it - whereas if dp were here, all six would have gone in 2 or three days. Apart from anything else, I resented the cost when he wasn't working. Funny thing is, he drinks less when he IS working, because he has to go to bed earlier. Otherwise he was up till 3 or 4 am (the record was 7am) and the number of empties that went out for recycling was just embarrassing and gave me such a sinking feeling when I surveyed them.

How can someone so intelligent be so stupid?

ginnedupmummy · 10/07/2007 16:38

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zookeeper · 11/07/2007 09:47

was thinking today that giving up on my Dp is a bit like giving up smoking - I know I should do it, it's for the best in the long run etc but initially I just feel bloody miserable.

Dp seems to be finally moving out on Saturday - I've been begging him to for the last eight weeks but now the time has come I feel very odd - a mixture of relief, sadness, anger, fear for the future.

I really don't know how I'm going to cope - I don't have that much support where I live and am reluctant to talk to the friends I do have because I won't be able to stop crying . Tax credits are a bloody nightmare and don't even know if I'll be able to keep on the house never mind keep everything normal for the dcs

zookeeper · 11/07/2007 09:49

fiftenn years of my life down the drain

ChristyC · 11/07/2007 10:15

Hi zookeeper, it's not 15 years down the drain - its 15 years of experience! (ummm..)

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ChristyC · 11/07/2007 10:16

And theres the kids of course who make it all worth while

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ChristyC · 11/07/2007 10:20

Dd (6) came into my room the other day, lay on my bed and said, "So Mummy, is this just your room now, will Daddy never sleep in here again?" to which I replied "Thats right, it's just my room now". She looked thoughtful for a moment or two and then said "I really like your room, it reminds me of snow". God, I would be insane now if it weren't for my kiddies!!

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snowleopard · 11/07/2007 10:32

Christy, no personal experience of this but I do think you have done the right thing and you do deserve better.

I remember binge-drinking in my 20s (never as bad as your DH - just like many people I suppose). I decided to cut back when I was 30 after one very bad night when one of DPs colleagues plied me with whisky at a party and I was sick in the street the next morning [shame]

I remember it hitting me like a bright light that not only did I not like hangovers, I didn't actually like being drunk. At all. I do love wine and beer but that's not the same thing. I wonder if your DH just hasn't worked this out? He does sound as if he has low self-esteem, if he can't see that he should stop for his own sake, not just to save a marriage.

Lots of good luck to you and look after your kids. Can you be sure he won't be drunk when in charge of them?

ChristyC · 11/07/2007 11:44

Hi snowleopard,
I am holding out faith that he won't drink when in charge of the kids - he is a very loving father so all I can do is trust him on this one. I think you are right about the self-esteem issue. He was in the army from quite a young age, and to be honest, I don't think he was deprogrammed. He still can't see where I am coming from with the drinking thing despite everyone that loves him telling him its the problem. I'm still getting "I know you're seeing someone else, I'm watching, I'll find out" whilst tapping his temple with his forefinger. Not even that bothers me anymore, I think it will always be the way. I am free, but not.

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snowleopard · 11/07/2007 11:58

Then I think you just need to repeat calmly "I hope you do watch, then you will see there is no one, and it really is down to your behaviour when you're drunk." I would also tell him "For the sake of you and our kids, I would still love you to stop and if there is any way I can help I will." You do need to keep a good relationship with him.

I suppose anyone who separates when they have kids is free - but not. It must be awful and I really feel for you.

ellis65 · 11/07/2007 12:05

Christy, i grew up with a father who was a 'social drinker'. Fortunately my brother and myself were never hit, but my poor mum was, i can still hear myself screaming and clawing at our front door to get neighbours to come and help. GET OUT for all your sakes. I;ve been married for 18 years, my husband has the odd drink, but even now i cant bear to be near him, he is nothing like my father, but im sorry i feel it has scared me for life!!

ChristyC · 11/07/2007 12:16

Hi Ellis65,
What a horrible situation for you to grow up in and the fact that it still impacts on your life now is a real eye opener. Its exactly what I want to avoid with my kids. I don't even think about drink. I haven't had a drink for a good few weeks and certainly wouldn't drink on my own at home - the recycling box has never been so empty - just milk cartons and food tins! Its awful when you are with someone who binges as you are always watching them, checking how much they are drinking and watching for the signs that they are about to get nasty. Its exhausting.

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ellis65 · 11/07/2007 12:33

Thank you, my mum did a brilliant job raising my brother and myself, but as a child, now an adult, i still feel robbed of growing up without my dad, he wasn't even at my wedding, which i still find really upsetting, but then again he chose the bottle rather than his family, i really wouldn't like that to happen to your kids, especially if they are girls. Please think very carefully what you are doing to yourself and your kids, it will do them and you more harm by staying!!

zookeeper · 11/07/2007 13:24

Christy - I think you're a bit further down the road than me in getting your life sorted - how did you feel when he left?

I'm dreading this weekend - we're barely speaking and I imagine (because he hasn't told me because he won't talk) that he's hiring a van and will start emptying the house of some furniture.

I asked him today what we should tell our eldest who is 5 - he said "tell him that mummy is kicking daddy out becasue she wants to play happy families"

Even now he won't accept responsibility for the damage that his drinking has done

snowleopard · 11/07/2007 13:27

Zookeeper - he's just about right isn't he! What does he want to play then - miserable families???

I think it must be extraordinarily hard to admit you have a drinking problem and then when it damages your family, even more so. I hope these men do see sense.

Good luck to you too ZL.

ellis65 · 11/07/2007 13:36

Zookeeper, you are right, these men won't own up to their drinking problem or the hurt it causes others. My mum walked out with me and my brother over 30 years ago, it was probably the hardest decision she had to make, and today still suffers depression and anxiety through what my dad did.