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DH lying - told him it's over

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lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:02

I have name changed for this.

Over the last 5 years or so, DH's friendship with a female friend has caused so many arguments between us. I don't have a problem with him having female friends - he has many others - but this one has felt off from the beginning.

He admitted that she had had feelings for him at the beginning but he told her he was married and not interested and that she no longer felt that way and they are just friends.

She has always been single and has few friends her own age, but seems to gravitate towards befriending much older men. DH is nearly 20 years older than her. Usually the friendships don't last long as she bombards them with texts and they find her too intense, or their wives/partners object.

I have endured years of gossip, with many people thinking they are a couple because of how much time they socialise together and how they act with each other. DH's response was that I should just ignore it.

I also found flirty messages between them on DH's phone which he dismissed as being out of context.

When they first became friends she was quite young for her age so she looked up to him as being worldly wise. She would always go to him for advice and I think his ego just lapped up the attention.

I told him how uncomfortable I was with this friendship - the constant texts, the inappropriateness of the texts, the amount of time spent together, the gossip, the dynamic of their friendship etc - but he accused me of trying to control who he's friends with.

I genuinely don't think they are more than friends. He has been cheated on in the past and has very strong views on people who cheat.

We went to counselling for a couple of years ago because it was causing so many rows and the counsellor agreed with him, so this strengthened his argument that I am controlling and should back off. At this point I did not know about the flirty messages so this may have changed her view, but he doesn't accept this. I was shocked that a counsellor would side with any party as I thought they should be objective and it's put me off seeking further counselling.

Last year he announced plans to go on holiday with her and another (male) friend. I said I wasn't happy with that and it caused a huge row. He said he would do it but lie about it and it was my fault for making him lie. I was basically looking at a future where I couldn't trust him and I felt like the friendship was escalating even further, so I decided to end things. It had all got too much, I felt like her friendship was more important than our marriage to the point where he was prepared to lie.

We separated but, long story short, he said he would sever all contact with her because he loved me, valued our marriage etc so we got back together because I loved him and wanted a future with him.

You can see where this is going. He did not sever all contact, he just reduced a lot of it. It was a huge improvement though and things were a lot better, but I still had that nagging feeling of mistrust.

Fast forward to yesterday when I found out he had just been on holiday with her and another friend. I confronted him and he denied it - point blank lied to my face. When he realised he had been caught out he then said it was my fault for making him lie.

I told him I'd had enough and I wanted a divorce. He is swinging between saying he wants a divorce too as he's sick of my controlling ways and saying he wants to fix things.

I don't see how we can move past this at all. We've tried before and failed.

I don't even know what I'm asking here. I guess an outside view would be helpful to work out if I'm doing the right thing. Does this justify ending a marriage with someone I love? Is there a way forward or should we just accept that it's never going to work?

Sorry for the long post (didn't want to drip feed) and thank you for reading.

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NotTheFordType · 07/10/2018 11:04

Does their friendship predate your relationship?

Whisky2014 · 07/10/2018 11:08

Fucking hell. Youve dine the right thing. This is not your fault. And esoecially not when he said he would sever all contact to be with you and then goes on holiday with her and then blames you. No no no. Get rid!

Dljlr · 07/10/2018 11:10

He's prioritising his wants above yours. Sometimes that has to happen in relationships, and you have to compromise. But when his wants are hurting and humiliating you, and leading to a situation where he lies to you about what he's doing and who with, that's untenable. He is disregarding your feelings and not even acknowledging that you have any right to feel as you do. He doesn't sound like a very nice man. If you don't end it, what do you think will change? And if nothing changes, can you carry on as you are?

Rainbowqueeen · 07/10/2018 11:10

Honestly yes I think in your shoes I would end it. Do you really want to live with that feeling of distrust and that knot in your stomach.

You can’t be happy like that can you?

Ribbon86 · 07/10/2018 11:10

I’m with you on that one , you may trust your man but she doesn’t sound like the type you can trust therefore he needs to realise he needs to cut all contact with her and prove to you he has done that otherwise it’ll never work . Is it worth you having a word with her , I think I would just be honest and explain you don’t trust her etc therefore stay the fuck away ( that sounds hash but some people have no morals ) x

AnyFucker · 07/10/2018 11:13

Game over. Surely ?

TooTrueToBeGood · 07/10/2018 11:15

Everything screams that they are having an affair. The only solitary counter to that is that he says they aren't, but then he would say that, wouldn't he.

Mrskeats · 07/10/2018 11:19

Bin. Going on holiday with another woman.
That’s a new low.

AnyFucker · 07/10/2018 11:23

Where did he say he was going when he went on holiday with OW ?

VanGoghsDog · 07/10/2018 11:27

Yeah, that would be too much for me. I think you're doing the right thing.

dogandrunning · 07/10/2018 11:29

You are far more tolerant and understanding than I would have been in your situation.
It's bad enough to lie and still be in contact but to actually lie and go on holiday with her - it would be game over for me ..!

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/10/2018 11:33

You’ve been putting up with this bollocks for so long you’re doubting yourself.

Your gut is telling you he’s been choosing her over you for years and it’s right. He’s taking the absolute piss!

It’s not controlling to object to a third person in your marriage and a husband who repeatedly lies to your face.

Cut him loose. You deserve soooo much more.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:36

They became friends after we got together.

We are usually ok about going on holiday with other friends, male or female. I have gone on holiday with male friends and he has gone away with a different female friend (actually his ex who I get on well with) so going away with a female friend isn't the issue, it's that it's the one I have a problem with and he lied about it.

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dogandrunning · 07/10/2018 11:39

He has repeatedly lied , disrespected your feelings and then made you feel like you are the bad guy for pulling him up on his behaviour- you are not in the wrong here.

properlook · 07/10/2018 11:43

Good grief, my husband changed jobs because his boss had a thing for him and I was uncomfortable with it. So was he tbf but bloody hell, you’re married to him and he’s acting like you’re his strict parent and he’s sneaking out to see a friend/girlfriend. That must be some pretty strong emotional tie he has to her to wreck his marriage over.

His dillydallying over he wants a divorce, wants to fix things, is his way of threatening you to see if you are serious. Then, when he sees you are, he tries to fix things. He’s just trying to manipulate you. Ignore him. Leave him, or get him to leave.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:43

I knew he was going on holiday, but he just said he was going with the male friend and didn't mention the female friend.

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Mrskeats · 07/10/2018 11:46

I don’t even get the going on holiday separately tbh.

hammeringinmyhead · 07/10/2018 11:47

I think I would be done. My DH would be mortified to be the centre of gossip and the reason for people thinking I'm naive/too trusting/turning a blind eye. You know she fancies him and you know they flirt.

I've said it before but your favourite person is supposed to be your partner. At the very least she has equal importance to him as you.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:49

I think his previous relationships have a huge part in all this. He has been married twice before - he says his first wife gradually alienated him from all but one of his friends and his second wife accused him of having an affair with another female friend. His view is that both wives tried to dictate who he could be friends with so he's not letting it happen a third time. I think this is why he's digging his heels in so much.

The thing is, I don't have an issue with any of his other friends and I've never accused him of having an affair, so I'm nothing like his ex wives, but he can't see that.

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hammeringinmyhead · 07/10/2018 11:51

Well, perhaps he should be looking at his own inappropriate behaviour with other women. Bit of a "coincidence" that three separate women have called him on it. I bet number 4 won't like this woman's relationship with him either...

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/10/2018 11:53

Jesus. Yes end it. It’s pathetic of him. He’s getting something from this friendship which is not just friendship. Whether they’re sleeping together or not, he’s putting her first, lying to you, engaging in a level of inappropriate intensity. What an idiot he is.

You can’t stay with him. The fact alone that others gossip about how he behaves towards her is such a blow to your self-respect that it makes a full and trusting relationship between you and him impossible.

Leave the fucker to it.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:54

@Mrskeats we have holidays together and separately. Both are equally enjoyable but for different reasons. My holidays tend to be more hobby based with like minded friends.

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dogandrunning · 07/10/2018 11:54

There's a pattern here OP

properlook · 07/10/2018 11:55

Why the fuck should you have to suffer because of things his ex wives did? Anyway, HE is the common denominator! He’s the one having the emotional affairs and trying to blame his wives! He’s manipulating you, ltb.

AnyFucker · 07/10/2018 11:55

How am I not surprised he is on his 3rd marriage, and making a shitty job of that one too

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