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DH lying - told him it's over

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lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:02

I have name changed for this.

Over the last 5 years or so, DH's friendship with a female friend has caused so many arguments between us. I don't have a problem with him having female friends - he has many others - but this one has felt off from the beginning.

He admitted that she had had feelings for him at the beginning but he told her he was married and not interested and that she no longer felt that way and they are just friends.

She has always been single and has few friends her own age, but seems to gravitate towards befriending much older men. DH is nearly 20 years older than her. Usually the friendships don't last long as she bombards them with texts and they find her too intense, or their wives/partners object.

I have endured years of gossip, with many people thinking they are a couple because of how much time they socialise together and how they act with each other. DH's response was that I should just ignore it.

I also found flirty messages between them on DH's phone which he dismissed as being out of context.

When they first became friends she was quite young for her age so she looked up to him as being worldly wise. She would always go to him for advice and I think his ego just lapped up the attention.

I told him how uncomfortable I was with this friendship - the constant texts, the inappropriateness of the texts, the amount of time spent together, the gossip, the dynamic of their friendship etc - but he accused me of trying to control who he's friends with.

I genuinely don't think they are more than friends. He has been cheated on in the past and has very strong views on people who cheat.

We went to counselling for a couple of years ago because it was causing so many rows and the counsellor agreed with him, so this strengthened his argument that I am controlling and should back off. At this point I did not know about the flirty messages so this may have changed her view, but he doesn't accept this. I was shocked that a counsellor would side with any party as I thought they should be objective and it's put me off seeking further counselling.

Last year he announced plans to go on holiday with her and another (male) friend. I said I wasn't happy with that and it caused a huge row. He said he would do it but lie about it and it was my fault for making him lie. I was basically looking at a future where I couldn't trust him and I felt like the friendship was escalating even further, so I decided to end things. It had all got too much, I felt like her friendship was more important than our marriage to the point where he was prepared to lie.

We separated but, long story short, he said he would sever all contact with her because he loved me, valued our marriage etc so we got back together because I loved him and wanted a future with him.

You can see where this is going. He did not sever all contact, he just reduced a lot of it. It was a huge improvement though and things were a lot better, but I still had that nagging feeling of mistrust.

Fast forward to yesterday when I found out he had just been on holiday with her and another friend. I confronted him and he denied it - point blank lied to my face. When he realised he had been caught out he then said it was my fault for making him lie.

I told him I'd had enough and I wanted a divorce. He is swinging between saying he wants a divorce too as he's sick of my controlling ways and saying he wants to fix things.

I don't see how we can move past this at all. We've tried before and failed.

I don't even know what I'm asking here. I guess an outside view would be helpful to work out if I'm doing the right thing. Does this justify ending a marriage with someone I love? Is there a way forward or should we just accept that it's never going to work?

Sorry for the long post (didn't want to drip feed) and thank you for reading.

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lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 16:29

We don't have any DC, no.

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SandyY2K · 07/10/2018 18:10

If he hadn't been flirty with her...then it wouldn't be so bad, as you don't have an issue with female friends perse.

He's also okay about you holidaying with mske friends...but would he still be okay if you and thst make friend were flirty?

Shambu · 07/10/2018 18:26

He has been married twice before - he says his first wife gradually alienated him from all but one of his friends and his second wife accused him of having an affair with another female friend

He probably was. And he probably is having an affair with this one. Otherwise why would either of them bother for this length of time?

I'm sorry you got such an unprofessional marriage counsellor, they certainly should not have taken sides.

It's time to do what you should have done a long time ago. Get rid of this liar and live your life.

altiara · 07/10/2018 18:53

Bloody hell, I hope your mantra is ‘you’re a dick, goodbye’.
Agree with previous poster saying It’s not his choice to go or comeback if you’ve already made the decision!
Just be strong, you don’t want to be married to a liar.

SandyY2K · 07/10/2018 20:16

I'm sorry you got such an unprofessional marriage counsellor, they certainly should not have taken sides

I agree. In fact I'd go as far as saying if anyone has a counsellor that takes sides like this...I'd consider making a formal complaint to the BACP (British association of counsellors and psychotherapists). That's assuming the counsellor is a member of this professional body.

A good counsellor would not do this.
They have an ethical framework to abide by...and a counsellor is meant to be unbiased in MC.

Alfiemoon1 · 07/10/2018 23:58

Would he be ok with you flirting with a male friend. How would he feel if you lied to him

I’ve been in your situation my dh struck up a new friendship that as far as I am aware wasn’t even flirty text but got a bit to frequent like he would have a night off and spend all evening chuckling to his phone texting her. I initially said I felt uncomfortable with it he wasn’t like that with anyone else and asked him to tone it down got the same response as your dh he wasn’t being told who he could be friends with or how many texts he could send

Numerous rows later things did seem to calm down between them of course that was because they moved from text to WhatsApp so it wouldn’t show on the phone bill and they only messaged called when he was at work and of course it was only her messages that were deleted and he didn’t have her number stored on his phone it was hidden in his work diary incase I checked

The lies he’s told the lengths he’s gone to to maintain this friendship that I still think was innocent and he could of dealt with better is ridiculous we have D.C. and have been together 24 years we are still together and things are great between us it took him moving to his mums for a fourth time insisting he was going for good making appointments to open new bank account etc I said bye got his id sorted packed the rest of his stuff. He came back has blocked her on everything I still don’t trust him the way I did and I also don’t think he gets the damage he’s done over something that was probably innocent

If you don’t have dc together personally I would end it op

Wildheartsease · 08/10/2018 00:21

There are many things wrong with the flirty friendship but in the end this is something that really matters to you... and he doesn't care enough about you to change his behaviour. You deserve someone who wants you to be happy.

Itchyknees · 08/10/2018 00:29

If the “hobby” is all that 1950s stuff, rockabilly and what have you, I know who your husband is, and he is absolutely 100% shagging her.

Cawfee · 08/10/2018 02:58

Personally, I would have left him years ago. Other women taking priority is a huge no no for me in marriage. No wonder he’s about to lose his 3rd wife. Is he super rich or a celebrity? He acts like he is. He needs to get a grip and grow up. 3 marriages behind him? What a catch. Flakey, unreliable, self important....what a sad sad man. I wouldn’t touch a bloke like that with somebody else’s barge pole. Yeah show him this thread and let him see how the rest of the world is laughing at just how pathetic he is. Loser.

Sashkin · 08/10/2018 04:23

if he feels you have treated him badly he will treat you badly

OP, if this is really how much pettiness, vindictiveness and general bad faith he brings to your relationship, your marriage is completely dead. Unsalvageable. You should cut your losses. He’s a pathetic little man.

penisbeakers · 08/10/2018 04:31

TO THE BIN WITH HIM.

YouOKHun · 08/10/2018 07:35

In fact I'd go as far as saying if anyone has a counsellor that takes sides like this...I'd consider making a formal complaint to the BACP (British association of counsellors and psychotherapists). That's assuming the counsellor is a member of this professional body

Totally agree sandyY2K I’m not a counsellor but I am a psychotherapist and this is unprofessional behaviour at the very least, and very damaging. There are far too many counsellors and therapists knocking around who are not members of a professional body in the first place and certainly not ACCREDITED members of (for example) the BACP or BABCP so have not had rigorous training and ongoing supervision the work really does require.

lostallfeeling · 08/10/2018 08:20

@YouOKHun The counsellor was and still is accredited with the BACP.

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YouOKHun · 08/10/2018 08:29

lostallfeeling that’s really concerning and I would flag it with the professional body, but I can see you’ve got a lot of other stuff to deal with as well.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with such poor behaviour from your H. I think you’re right to move on from him as he doesn’t sound like he accepts any responsibility.

lostallfeeling · 08/10/2018 08:44

@YouOKHun Actually, thinking back, she did also give her opinion on things. Is that standard practice? For example, DH and I disagreed about a friend's motives for telling me something she had heard about our marriage. I saw it as the friend was just giving me a heads up because she thought I should know what was being said about me but he thought she was stirring and had a hidden agenda. The counsellor said that, in her opinion, she did not think the friend had honest intentions and agreed with DH. How can she say that? She doesn't even know this person or my relationship with her!

It has really damaged my arguments because now all DH says is that the counsellor agrees with him that I put too much stock in gossips masquerading as friends. How can I argue when the counsellor has said I'm in the wrong?

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hellsbellsmelons · 08/10/2018 08:56

No children!
OP this is a no-brainer!
Ditch and move on.
You deserve so much better than this.

AnyFucker · 08/10/2018 09:49

....and this is why when there is abuse involved joint counselling is not recommended

And this is abuse, op. He knows he is hurting you, but he carries on anyway

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 08/10/2018 10:55

I'd make a complaint about that Counsellor.

They are meant to be impartial. Siding with him and giving her opinion on something she knows nothing about, is very unprofessional.

YouOKHun · 08/10/2018 11:35

OP, I’m not a counsellor by training (I’m a CBT therapist which is more active/directive and different to counselling, and I’m not a therapist for couples). However in my work I’d be very careful not to give my version of ‘facts’ or my opinions because I am not in a position to know. Generally we’d use a Socratic style of questioning to try and encourage another perspective or to get ppl to question their assumptions but this is to allow someone to recognise for themselves where they might be tripping themselves up. If I’m asked what I think I say ‘I don’t know but I wonder if ...’ and present a hypothesis but never take a position. I agree with a previous poster who feels that joint counselling has no value in an abusive relationship. I am sorry that a poor counsellor has made it difficult to defend yourself or given him gaslighting ammunition but the reality is the counsellor’s opinion has no value and should not have been given. No doubt if the counsellor has been equally unprofessional and sided with you then he would have dismissed the counsellor’s opinion as rubbish. I wouldn’t blame you for making a complaint about the counsellor but ultimately the manipulative and abusive behaviour is his and I hope you have support to walk away from him. Good luck Flowers

PowerPantsRule · 08/10/2018 12:04

My DH's counsellor told him that my OCD had stifled him and he should leave me - are they supposed to do that? And my OCD was not that bad....

Back to the thread - leave him OP. I never say that on Mumsnet but he is gaslighting the heart out of you.

subspace · 08/10/2018 14:25

A coach here - we fall under the similar but different banner to counsellors, therapists and similar. Just to say that counsellors should absolutely not state their opinions or take sides. They can paraphrase what has already been said, and can state emotions that they see, e.g. " "" when you talk about that incident I can see that you well up. It seems that it really upset you" and that's about it. Anybody who gave advice or opinions is on at best rocky ground.

butterfly56 · 08/10/2018 15:08

Yep he is one manipulative p.o.s!

He's managed to get the Counsellor on side...wow that great..not!
Wow and it's all the other wives fault...that old chestnut!!
He has absolutely zero respect for you or your marriage.

He very cleverly has you believing that you are the one with the problem.

You will kick yourself in the future for wasting so much time on this self centred, self absorbed, lying arsehole.

Take back control of your life. Get back your self respect and self esteem and get shut of the bastard!

lostallfeeling · 08/10/2018 15:17

@YouOKHun and @subspace Thank you for clarifying, that's good to know.

@PowerPantsRule That's shocking! People can be so easily influenced when they are at their most vulnerable and seeking help. I hope things are ok now.

@itchyknees No it's not a rockabilly hobby, although that does sound fun (apart from the cheating husband)

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Forgotmycoat · 11/10/2018 12:07

Have read your thread and wanted to say I'm so happy you're standing up for yourself and saying NO MORE to his bs. Staying friends with this woman and being deceitful about it is an ego boost for him and is controlling behaviour towards you.

How are things now?

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