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DH lying - told him it's over

124 replies

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:02

I have name changed for this.

Over the last 5 years or so, DH's friendship with a female friend has caused so many arguments between us. I don't have a problem with him having female friends - he has many others - but this one has felt off from the beginning.

He admitted that she had had feelings for him at the beginning but he told her he was married and not interested and that she no longer felt that way and they are just friends.

She has always been single and has few friends her own age, but seems to gravitate towards befriending much older men. DH is nearly 20 years older than her. Usually the friendships don't last long as she bombards them with texts and they find her too intense, or their wives/partners object.

I have endured years of gossip, with many people thinking they are a couple because of how much time they socialise together and how they act with each other. DH's response was that I should just ignore it.

I also found flirty messages between them on DH's phone which he dismissed as being out of context.

When they first became friends she was quite young for her age so she looked up to him as being worldly wise. She would always go to him for advice and I think his ego just lapped up the attention.

I told him how uncomfortable I was with this friendship - the constant texts, the inappropriateness of the texts, the amount of time spent together, the gossip, the dynamic of their friendship etc - but he accused me of trying to control who he's friends with.

I genuinely don't think they are more than friends. He has been cheated on in the past and has very strong views on people who cheat.

We went to counselling for a couple of years ago because it was causing so many rows and the counsellor agreed with him, so this strengthened his argument that I am controlling and should back off. At this point I did not know about the flirty messages so this may have changed her view, but he doesn't accept this. I was shocked that a counsellor would side with any party as I thought they should be objective and it's put me off seeking further counselling.

Last year he announced plans to go on holiday with her and another (male) friend. I said I wasn't happy with that and it caused a huge row. He said he would do it but lie about it and it was my fault for making him lie. I was basically looking at a future where I couldn't trust him and I felt like the friendship was escalating even further, so I decided to end things. It had all got too much, I felt like her friendship was more important than our marriage to the point where he was prepared to lie.

We separated but, long story short, he said he would sever all contact with her because he loved me, valued our marriage etc so we got back together because I loved him and wanted a future with him.

You can see where this is going. He did not sever all contact, he just reduced a lot of it. It was a huge improvement though and things were a lot better, but I still had that nagging feeling of mistrust.

Fast forward to yesterday when I found out he had just been on holiday with her and another friend. I confronted him and he denied it - point blank lied to my face. When he realised he had been caught out he then said it was my fault for making him lie.

I told him I'd had enough and I wanted a divorce. He is swinging between saying he wants a divorce too as he's sick of my controlling ways and saying he wants to fix things.

I don't see how we can move past this at all. We've tried before and failed.

I don't even know what I'm asking here. I guess an outside view would be helpful to work out if I'm doing the right thing. Does this justify ending a marriage with someone I love? Is there a way forward or should we just accept that it's never going to work?

Sorry for the long post (didn't want to drip feed) and thank you for reading.

OP posts:
Sugarpiehoneyeye · 07/10/2018 12:27

Be wise, keep this thread to yourself. Time to move on.

greendale17 · 07/10/2018 12:28

I would divorce him too.

Whisky2014 · 07/10/2018 12:28

Why would you show him the thread? To prove you need a reason to leave him? Just fucking leave!

dogandrunning · 07/10/2018 12:29

I agree with the others do not show him this thread it will be twisted against you

daisychain01 · 07/10/2018 12:29

Presumably he realises it's the 21st century, you aren't his chattel and don't need to make up an excuse or justify your reason for kicking his sorry arse out of your life? One word for him, delusional.

Onwards to a better happier life I'd say.

daisychain01 · 07/10/2018 12:31

He'll never change, in case he tries to convince you otherwise.

CitrusFruit9 · 07/10/2018 12:33

If you can't trust him then there is no relationship.

(Voice of experience here)

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/10/2018 12:33

Showing him this thread won’t change his mind. He will only devalue it.

Gemini69 · 07/10/2018 12:33

He's Gaslighting the life out of you .... get him OUT permanently.. Flowers

Fairenuff · 07/10/2018 12:34

Don't show him the thread. Let this be your support.

He will never accept that he has done anything wrong so it's pointless try to get him to.

He wants to live the life of a single person. Let him.

slkk · 07/10/2018 12:34

I had a male friend that dh was really uncomfortable with in the beginning of our relationship. I knew that I had to cool and then end the friendship because our relationship was more important. Now we are married, we have to make decisions for the good of the relationship, not for us as individuals. I’m sorry your husband is putting you and your relationship so low on his agenda. I think yo pup have to stick to your guns and end it.

LinoleumBlownapart · 07/10/2018 12:35

His view is that both wives tried to dictate who he could be friends with

And now it's happening again. I think it's time he had a little re-think about where/who the problem might actually be.

MortyVicar · 07/10/2018 12:36

lost for five years now you've been unhappy and insecure. Don't let him make you feel that way any longer. You've told him it's over, stick to it.

You ARE exactly like his other wives - because that's what his behaviour has done to all of you. Don't take his word for it that they were jealous and controlling, look at his actions. Even when you said he'd reduced contact with this other woman, did he or did he just get better at hiding it? Almost certainly the latter.

Do not show him this thread. He will say, rightly from his pov, that we don't know what goes on in a marriage - and then use that as evidence that you're even more controlling. Just take strength from knowing that we all believe you.

You didn't make him lie, he chose to. He doesn't get to decide whether he stays or goes, you can decide whether you want him in your life any more. Set yourself free of him and his lying and cheating. You'll be much happier.

Ellie56 · 07/10/2018 12:39

He is a lying manipulative selfish twat. He knew you weren't happy about him going on holiday but still went?

You are definitely doing the right thing divorcing him. I certainly wouldn't put up with his crap and would have binned him off long ago.

Thebluedog · 07/10/2018 12:42

He’s lied repeatedly

He lied about the holiday - this must have been a whole bunch of lies, where he was, what he was doing, the phone calls home were a lie, talking about the holiday to you were all lies - this would be enough for me to leave

He’s disrespecting your feelings

Putting her in front of you and your feelings

Sorry but I’d be kicking him out and making it clear that this was game over and there’s no way, regardless of what he promises this time, you’re going back.

Thebluedog · 07/10/2018 12:43

his view is that both wives tried to dictate who he could be friends with

I’d be looking at the common denominator in all the relationships where he’s said his wives (you are now the third one) we’re controlling. The common denominator is him! He’s the issue

MsMotherOfDragons · 07/10/2018 12:44

He's lied to you and he has purposely continued with a friendship that he knows causes problems in your relationship. Dump him. His actions show how little he values you.

It's not your fault at all, and it absolutely does justify ending your relationship. Find somebody who cares about you; you deserve so much better.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 12:47

His first wife came out as gay shortly after they divorced so there were much bigger reasons at play for her leaving him, but she still alienated him from his friends throughout their marriage, according to him.

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Billben · 07/10/2018 12:48

His 3rd marriage is about to end. To any sane person the common denominator would be obvious. Not to him. He blames the wives😀 Put your affairs in order and get rid of him. It is not going to get better.

properlook · 07/10/2018 12:49

He’s a liar. I wouldn’t believe a word he says about alienation and gay ex wives behaviour.

LeftRightCentre · 07/10/2018 12:52

His first wife came out as gay shortly after they divorced so there were much bigger reasons at play for her leaving him, but she still alienated him from his friends throughout their marriage, according to him.

Read that back, 'according to him', who you know to be a liar. He's full of shit, you know. She got sick of his harem bollocks and he won't admit that he's a cockwomble. It's all the women's fault. Fuck him off. He's a lying twat. He's got no. 4 lined up.

YouOKHun · 07/10/2018 12:53

The thing is, I don't have an issue with any of his other friends and I've never accused him of having an affair, so I'm nothing like his ex wives, but he can't see that

I bet if you were to sit down with his ex wives you’d hear that they’re exactly like you and not the jealous harridans he’s painted them as. I bet they’re leading happier lives now too. OP, you deserve to be first on the list of your DH’s priorities but I think you need a different DH to achieve this. He doesn’t sound like he’ll change so I think you’re right to get out of this relationship and find someone who knows how to behave and isn’t such a narcissist.

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/10/2018 12:55

I bet Henry VIII said he was victimised by all of his exes too.

Haffiana · 07/10/2018 12:56

The problem in your relationship is that you seem to think that you need his permission or agreement or some sort of proof that he is behaving unreasonably. You don't.

This is solely up to you. It is your choice, not his. You can say "This is not working for me. I do not wish to remain married to you any longer and I want a divorce".

crimsonlake · 07/10/2018 12:56

Good grief how on earth have you put up with this for so long, you deserve so much better. Red flags when you find out why his previous relationships broke up. They clearly would not put up with his selfish ways and neither should you. If she wants him, let her have him, you can do better than this.

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