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DH lying - told him it's over

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lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:02

I have name changed for this.

Over the last 5 years or so, DH's friendship with a female friend has caused so many arguments between us. I don't have a problem with him having female friends - he has many others - but this one has felt off from the beginning.

He admitted that she had had feelings for him at the beginning but he told her he was married and not interested and that she no longer felt that way and they are just friends.

She has always been single and has few friends her own age, but seems to gravitate towards befriending much older men. DH is nearly 20 years older than her. Usually the friendships don't last long as she bombards them with texts and they find her too intense, or their wives/partners object.

I have endured years of gossip, with many people thinking they are a couple because of how much time they socialise together and how they act with each other. DH's response was that I should just ignore it.

I also found flirty messages between them on DH's phone which he dismissed as being out of context.

When they first became friends she was quite young for her age so she looked up to him as being worldly wise. She would always go to him for advice and I think his ego just lapped up the attention.

I told him how uncomfortable I was with this friendship - the constant texts, the inappropriateness of the texts, the amount of time spent together, the gossip, the dynamic of their friendship etc - but he accused me of trying to control who he's friends with.

I genuinely don't think they are more than friends. He has been cheated on in the past and has very strong views on people who cheat.

We went to counselling for a couple of years ago because it was causing so many rows and the counsellor agreed with him, so this strengthened his argument that I am controlling and should back off. At this point I did not know about the flirty messages so this may have changed her view, but he doesn't accept this. I was shocked that a counsellor would side with any party as I thought they should be objective and it's put me off seeking further counselling.

Last year he announced plans to go on holiday with her and another (male) friend. I said I wasn't happy with that and it caused a huge row. He said he would do it but lie about it and it was my fault for making him lie. I was basically looking at a future where I couldn't trust him and I felt like the friendship was escalating even further, so I decided to end things. It had all got too much, I felt like her friendship was more important than our marriage to the point where he was prepared to lie.

We separated but, long story short, he said he would sever all contact with her because he loved me, valued our marriage etc so we got back together because I loved him and wanted a future with him.

You can see where this is going. He did not sever all contact, he just reduced a lot of it. It was a huge improvement though and things were a lot better, but I still had that nagging feeling of mistrust.

Fast forward to yesterday when I found out he had just been on holiday with her and another friend. I confronted him and he denied it - point blank lied to my face. When he realised he had been caught out he then said it was my fault for making him lie.

I told him I'd had enough and I wanted a divorce. He is swinging between saying he wants a divorce too as he's sick of my controlling ways and saying he wants to fix things.

I don't see how we can move past this at all. We've tried before and failed.

I don't even know what I'm asking here. I guess an outside view would be helpful to work out if I'm doing the right thing. Does this justify ending a marriage with someone I love? Is there a way forward or should we just accept that it's never going to work?

Sorry for the long post (didn't want to drip feed) and thank you for reading.

OP posts:
PaleRider1 · 07/10/2018 11:56

So the same pattern has been present in his previous two marriages and in yours, yet it clearly isn't any fault of his and projects all the blame on you and his previous wives.

Game well and truly over, there is no trust or respect in the marriage, and in all honesty, do you not think that you deserve better than this?

JellyBean31 · 07/10/2018 11:58

I think his exes had a point, if he acted in a similar way when he was married to them. Maybe this woman isn't the issue, maybe its actually him pushing to keep the "friendship" going.

ShizeItsWeegie · 07/10/2018 11:58

You say he is swinging between leaving or staying. It's not his choice it's yours OP but this has gone on waaay too long and it's not like you haven't been clear about your feelings. Divorce him. He is taking the piss!

AnyFucker · 07/10/2018 11:59

He must have a cock studded with diamonds for a succession of women to have been taken in by him

Op, did you think you would do better than his other wives when you married him, effectively allowing him to walk all over you ?

Bad idea. Cut your losses now. I am sure it won't be too long before no.4 is swallowing this man's bullshit

trevthecat · 07/10/2018 12:00

He calls you controlling but the reality is he is controlling you. He has lied about her, didn't cut contact. You need to leave and take back control

Santaclarita · 07/10/2018 12:01

Number 4 is already lined up it seems. Cut your losses and walk. You deserve better.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 12:02

Thank you all. He still thinks that this is all in my head and I'm making up a reason to leave him so I might show him this thread.

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lifebegins50 · 07/10/2018 12:05

He is the issue here....he wants the stability of marriage but freedom of acting as a single man. So 2nd wife accused him of an affair and he ended it...or did she? Seems like history repeating itself.

I doubt he can get truly close to any wife as always needs to have someone on the side, reinforcing his attractiveness. Not many women will tolerate that. Maybe in his mind if its not physical then its not an affair??

Do you have children?

AnyFucker · 07/10/2018 12:06

Don't show him this thread. This is your lifeline.

He will just dismiss us as a load of man-hating control freaks

If he can't see your POV there is no hope for your marriage. A bunch of strangers won't make him admit he is in the wrong

Boulty · 07/10/2018 12:08

Divorce - he seems totally unable to treat you like a partner and her like a friend.

HollowTalk · 07/10/2018 12:10

Why would someone make up reasons to leave their husband, though? If they want to leave then why wouldn't they just say why?

I wouldn't recommend you show him this thread. He will be entering into your private space.

He's completely out of order and lacking of any empathy or social skills to not realise why you - his third wife - is dumping him. You have to dump him, though - when it reaches the point where people are gossiping about his relationship with another woman, you know it's well past the time to go.

ReanimatedSGB · 07/10/2018 12:10

This man is a manipulative harem-keeper. He may not be actually sticking his dick in this woman, but her purpose in his life is to make you jealous. This is how he gets his kicks: making women fight over him. It's all about his ego - women just 'fall in love with him' because he's so wonderful and special. He has to be the focus of their attention all the time, and the fact that they are hurt, anxious and self-doubting makes it even more enjoyable for him.
Divorce the useless tosser and move on. Good luck.

Gabilan · 07/10/2018 12:14

The thing is, I don't have an issue with any of his other friends and I've never accused him of having an affair, so I'm nothing like his ex wives, but he can't see that.

Oh no. You kind of are like his ex wives. You'll find you have a lot in common with them, just not what you think necessarily. He is the common denominator in this. It's his behaviour that's brought this about. They will have experienced the same behaviour. And just as he's saying they isolated him, so he's starting to say that about you.

Bin him. He's a manipulative wanker.

croprotationinthe13thcentury · 07/10/2018 12:16

I think the whole marriage is a bit of a joke tbh. You go on holiday with male friends. He goes on holiday with female friends. But you don’t like this particular one. For me when you have this kind marriage where you holiday separately with other people, male and female, you dont get to pick and choose these people. Cant have your cake and eat it.

Cambionome · 07/10/2018 12:19

Game over, op. You've done your best but you can't reason with this idiot - he just doesn't want to listen.

springydaff · 07/10/2018 12:19

So he hasn't noticed 3 marriages have bitten the dust for the exact same reason Hmm

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 07/10/2018 12:20

He sounds like my my exP.

His wife was controlling, wouldnt let him have female friends.

He was too stupid to realise that having female friends werent the issue. Its his kissy, say morning/goodnight over the top texting of one particular friend that was issue.

Divorce the twat. When my ex left it was a fucking relief to not a snivelling man child fucking with my head.

LeftRightCentre · 07/10/2018 12:20

Don't show him this thread! WTAF? You know what, you will never convince him that's he's a total cunt, which he is. He's a gaslighting cheating manipulative prick. He is getting an ego massage out of all of this. He's a self-centred wanker. He doesn't give a toss about anyone but himself. THREE marriages, they all went the same way but it's all their fault? Fuck that. Bin him. Don't delay. Divorce for unreasonable behaviour. Don't back down, he's enjoying the pattern here. Cock.

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/10/2018 12:23

croprotation but the OP doesn’t have a problem with it, just this particular relationship which oversteps boundaries again and again.

Plus, love your user name Grin CONSIDERABLY more widespread..!

GreenLantern53 · 07/10/2018 12:23

croprotationinthe13thcentury I agree 100%!

Aprilislonggone · 07/10/2018 12:23

Being the cool dw certainly backfired. Wonder what stories his exw's would tell you.

Maelstrop · 07/10/2018 12:23

Wow. No wonder his two previous wives got passed off. He’s treating you appallingly. Clearly having this woman lap round him is more important than your feelings. Why are you still round him?

properlook · 07/10/2018 12:24

Don’t show him the thread. Don’t show him your hand at all, he’s a manipulator. You don’t have to justify yourself, so what if he says you are making it up (hes lying, he knows you’re not, his other wives said the same thing. He’ll just say we’re all piling on and lying).

Keep quiet, give him NI information except you are leaving or he has to leave.

Why are you still there?

properlook · 07/10/2018 12:25

That should say give him no information

dogandrunning · 07/10/2018 12:25

Croprotation / Atrocious - after 'john' Grinbrilliant user name

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