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DH lying - told him it's over

124 replies

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 11:02

I have name changed for this.

Over the last 5 years or so, DH's friendship with a female friend has caused so many arguments between us. I don't have a problem with him having female friends - he has many others - but this one has felt off from the beginning.

He admitted that she had had feelings for him at the beginning but he told her he was married and not interested and that she no longer felt that way and they are just friends.

She has always been single and has few friends her own age, but seems to gravitate towards befriending much older men. DH is nearly 20 years older than her. Usually the friendships don't last long as she bombards them with texts and they find her too intense, or their wives/partners object.

I have endured years of gossip, with many people thinking they are a couple because of how much time they socialise together and how they act with each other. DH's response was that I should just ignore it.

I also found flirty messages between them on DH's phone which he dismissed as being out of context.

When they first became friends she was quite young for her age so she looked up to him as being worldly wise. She would always go to him for advice and I think his ego just lapped up the attention.

I told him how uncomfortable I was with this friendship - the constant texts, the inappropriateness of the texts, the amount of time spent together, the gossip, the dynamic of their friendship etc - but he accused me of trying to control who he's friends with.

I genuinely don't think they are more than friends. He has been cheated on in the past and has very strong views on people who cheat.

We went to counselling for a couple of years ago because it was causing so many rows and the counsellor agreed with him, so this strengthened his argument that I am controlling and should back off. At this point I did not know about the flirty messages so this may have changed her view, but he doesn't accept this. I was shocked that a counsellor would side with any party as I thought they should be objective and it's put me off seeking further counselling.

Last year he announced plans to go on holiday with her and another (male) friend. I said I wasn't happy with that and it caused a huge row. He said he would do it but lie about it and it was my fault for making him lie. I was basically looking at a future where I couldn't trust him and I felt like the friendship was escalating even further, so I decided to end things. It had all got too much, I felt like her friendship was more important than our marriage to the point where he was prepared to lie.

We separated but, long story short, he said he would sever all contact with her because he loved me, valued our marriage etc so we got back together because I loved him and wanted a future with him.

You can see where this is going. He did not sever all contact, he just reduced a lot of it. It was a huge improvement though and things were a lot better, but I still had that nagging feeling of mistrust.

Fast forward to yesterday when I found out he had just been on holiday with her and another friend. I confronted him and he denied it - point blank lied to my face. When he realised he had been caught out he then said it was my fault for making him lie.

I told him I'd had enough and I wanted a divorce. He is swinging between saying he wants a divorce too as he's sick of my controlling ways and saying he wants to fix things.

I don't see how we can move past this at all. We've tried before and failed.

I don't even know what I'm asking here. I guess an outside view would be helpful to work out if I'm doing the right thing. Does this justify ending a marriage with someone I love? Is there a way forward or should we just accept that it's never going to work?

Sorry for the long post (didn't want to drip feed) and thank you for reading.

OP posts:
Notsoaccidentproneanymore · 07/10/2018 12:58

DH has a few female friends. One can be very needy. It got to a point a few years ago where I said I ought he was putting putting her before me and i was uncomfortable about how often they saw and talked to each other.

He saw my point of view and pulled back from the friendship. He listened to my concerns and respected them.

It doesn’t sound as though your dh doesn’t respects your feelings. WHy would you want to be with someone who behaves like he is?

Petalflowers · 07/10/2018 13:02

An emotional affair, even if it weren’t physical, especially as people assume they are a couple. Unless you are an ultra control freak (i’m Sure you are not), there is no reason for him to lie. Trust your gut instincts.

Gemini69 · 07/10/2018 13:09

why are you still with him OP Flowers

ZenNudist · 07/10/2018 13:14

He has strong views on cheating so he doesnt cheat? More like he is a cheat, knows how its done and doesn't want you to do the same.

Why don't you start a "friendship" with an admirer, but nothings going to happen, and youll go on holiday with them and lie about it. Sure he'd love it.

Nanna50 · 07/10/2018 13:25

Don't show him the thread, he is the manipulator and you don't need liar to make you doubt yourself more and you don't need to drive yourself mad trying to prove your point. He is the non variable in these relationships, he has affairs and blames the women.

I understand that she has boosted his ego and I know that this happens with my DH at times. It also happens to me, we are human, but we keep it in perspective. A 5 year relationship with a woman who he prioritises over you is not a friendship.

My DH has female friendships, made through work, who he texts or whatsapps, often about non related work stuff, he has a laugh with them and sometimes they discuss non work problems with him. He has male friends where the same things happen.

His friendships enhance our relationship rather than undermine it, however if those friendships (male or female) were causing arguments or driving a wedge between us, for whatever reason, then I am his priority and the friendship doesn't come a close second.

I would be looking for a counselor on my own and I would be questioning the context in which the counselor agreed that you were controlling.

subspace · 07/10/2018 13:37

You DO understand that nobody forces anybody else's behaviour, right? The only person who can make him lie is him.

I don't know whose side I'm on here. Try to come between me and my friends and you can get stuffed. Lie about who you were with then blame me, you can get the next train outta here too.

Miggeldy · 07/10/2018 13:42

Mother of god.
I don't know how or why you put up with all of that for so long.
I certainly wouldn't.
Kick him out on his arse and divorce this loser.

Gemini69 · 07/10/2018 13:44

OP is not going to leave him... she will accept his affairs forever... sadly Flowers

Mrskeats · 07/10/2018 14:07

Well yes I guess so with hobby based holidays.
His hobby seems to be being manipulative though.
I wouldn't mind betting his ex wives have a different story.

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 14:22

I've told him many times that we have a choice over how we respond but his mantra in life is that he reflects people's behaviour, so if he feels you have treated him badly he will treat you badly in return.

It pushes all the responsibility onto the other person while leaving him to say "well, I did warn you. I'm only reflecting your behaviour so if you don't like it you've only got yourself to blame".

I'm so sick of having the same argument where he refuses to take responsibility for his choices.

OP posts:
CowesTwo · 07/10/2018 14:38

You don't want to be this miserable for the next 30 years or so, time to be rid of this manipulative liar, who disregards you wishes and puts his own needs and wants first.

Ellie56 · 07/10/2018 14:54

his mantra in life is that he reflects people's behaviour, so if he feels you have treated him badly he will treat you badly in return.

What a load of bollocks. Tell him your mantra is "I am no longer putting up with this shit. I want a divorce."

whydoistayupsolate · 07/10/2018 14:58

You can bet his exes are glad to be rid of him. You will be too.
If you're willing to jeopardise a marriage over a friend in that way then the marriage doesn't mean that much. There is no one I would pick over my husband.

LittleMissFrumpy · 07/10/2018 14:59

I have never understood why anyone would marry someone who has been married twice before. Isn’t that a red flag in itself?!

lostallfeeling · 07/10/2018 15:05

@LittleMissFrumpy I didn't see it as a red flag because he married his first wife not knowing that she was gay.

After they split he was in a dark place but remarried very quickly - it was all over within a year.

OP posts:
subspace · 07/10/2018 15:06

Welp, if that's his mantra then you need one that works for you - something like "if it's not my baggage I'm not carrying it"

subspace · 07/10/2018 15:06

Or "your emotions and behaviour are not my responsibility"

C0untDucku1a · 07/10/2018 15:07

Another here to say divorce him.

ExpectingMyFirst · 07/10/2018 15:09

He's put his feelings for this woman above his marriage to you multiple times. She means more to him. Leave him. You will be happier without all the BS. He doesn't respect you or your marriage together. He will probably do this again to his next wife and then claim it's your fault he's behaving this way... Don't accept it.

I wish there was a name and shame so we could forewarn other women before they fell in too deep. So many men, so many losers, so scared to date. xx

Gemini69 · 07/10/2018 15:26

OP he sounds like a right DICK

AtrociousCircumstance · 07/10/2018 15:44

So he has a deflecting and manipulative technique to control others and do as he pleases, then (I only reflect others behaviour).

Ugh OP leave this twat.

daisychain01 · 07/10/2018 15:48

He sounds like someone who places very little store in his relationships. It's all very disposable, he moves on to the next person quickly.

OP it isn't normal or healthy how he is behaving to you. Your self worth will continue to be chipped away.

Your mantra from now on should be I deserve better. No relationship is perfect but you need to be in one where that person places a greater priority on you than on other relationships. In no way am I meaning to be smug but my DH has female acquaintances who he meets during his hobby and at work, but he doesn't class them as "friends" nor would he ever go on holiday with them. Spare time is spent with me because that's how we both want it to be, no need for either of us to force the issue.

Decide what your boundaries and dealbreakers are and don't let him compromise those or lie to you anymore!

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 07/10/2018 15:52

Another voice saying your DH is a manipulative liar and that you would be wise to bin him.

I wouldn't try to discuss it in detail as he will doubtless paint this as your problem. I'd just stick to certain specific phrases.

His mantra, that he reflects people's behaviour, so if he feels you have treated him badly he will treat you badly is quite a useful one. Apply it to him, because he has definitely treated you badly.

He has treated you with zero respect.

He has lied to you repeatedly for years.

His behaviour has humiliated you, also for years.

You are reflecting this behaviour by divorcing him. He cannot be surprised at your decision. He deserves everything that's coming.

ReanimatedSGB · 07/10/2018 16:14

What you say to him is: 'I'm not discussing it any further. I can do better than someone like you and I am filing for divorce.' Have you DC with this prick? I do hope not.

properlook · 07/10/2018 16:20

ReanimatedSGB

What you say to him is: 'I'm not discussing it any further. I can do better than someone like you and I am filing for divorce.' Have you DC with this prick? I do hope not.

This^

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