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Was I unreasonable or is he a dick (and potentially controlling/creepy)

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usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 16:50

Wonder what you all make of this scenario: for background I've been separated three years and have dated a bit but a bit out of the game. I'm a single mum and have very little reliable childcare, so getting out to meet people for dates is quite often a pain in the arse and has to be properly planned.

Started messaging someone I met online -- he seemed nice, we seemed to get on. We made a plan for me to go out to where he lives. I live in London and where he lives is fairly rural and a bit out of the way although not miles from London. But remote enough that I couldn't have pulled a sharp exit after a certain time of night if I suddenly wanted to.

On the day I was supposed to go to his I confirmed that I was on my way. He had previously said I could stay over and he would make sure I could have his bed (implication being that he wouldn't be in it unless I wanted him to). But when I left to meet him I messaged to say "just so you know, I think I'm going to go home tonight."

He took great umbrage, said he'd gone out of his way to make sure I felt comfortable with the sleeping arrangements etc and had arranged for him to stay with a friend and let me stay in his place (although he hadn't mentioned this to me before), had cooked a lovely meal, etc etc. I said sorry but I wasn't comfortable with staying over, I would come for dinner but go home. He said fine, don't bother and guilted me about the fact that he'd gone to lots of trouble etc.

I went home but messaged him to say I was happy to come over this weekend but a little earlier, allowing me to spend more time there but still leaving me the option of coming home if I wasn't feeling it/wasn't comfortable staying. He said fine and we left it as a plan to be firmed up in due course. I messaged him twice this week to ask if we were still on and there has been radio silence. I know he's got my messages and hasn't blocked me. It's possible he's had some emergency but it appears much more likely he's either ghosted me or is trying to make a point.

Leaving me to conclude one of the following scenarios:

a) that he had planned to get his leg over all along but had an elaborate subterfuge to make it appear this was not the case and once I'd made it clear he couldn't count on this happening he has lost interest and/or found a better offer. In which case I dodged a bullet.

b) that he's really controlling and is trying to punish me for "letting him down", which is a red flag. In which case I also dodged a bullet.

c) (the generous interpretation) that he's genuinely upset and I have been insensitive or messed him around. In which case I deserve it.

Based on his over-reaction and the way it has unfolded I'm leaning towards a or b but curious to know whether I've just become so hardened and self-protective that I'm being unfair and need to loosen up a bit. I have difficulty trusting people and sometimes think my compass is a bit wonky.

Any thoughts?

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AnyFucker · 28/07/2018 16:53

My thoughts ?

Stop online dating.

Mishappening · 28/07/2018 16:55

Oh dear - he does not sound as though he is genuine. Let it drop now.

wagil · 28/07/2018 16:55

Surely first dates are somewhere neutral.

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 16:56

AnyFucker do you mean stop online dating because I'm not ready for it/tough enough for it? or do you mean stop online dating because it's a meat market?

For the most part I dislike online dating but there aren't any other ways to meet people as I don't have childcare for hobbies and work all the time.

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SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 28/07/2018 16:56

Run away from this one. Don't waste your energy debating the tosser's motivation. That way madness lies.

HirplesWithHaggis · 28/07/2018 16:57

I'm in the "dodged a bullet" camp. Even if he were mortally offended that you don't trust him not to rape you, he should have understood why you might feel that way and not created a huffy stomp. Keep looking...

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 16:58

wagil precisely. Which is why I didn't want to end up being forced to stay at his. I wouldn't have minded if I could have guaranteed a getaway but didn't want to be forced to go somewhere I would end up stuck.

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SleepFreeZone · 28/07/2018 16:59

Errrr, let this one go.

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 17:01

I'm definitely going to let it go: not a believer in chasing people at the best of times. I'm just wondering whether I am particularly cynical to have taken this separate beds thing on trust.

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PuppyMonkey · 28/07/2018 17:02

I wouldn’t have agreed to go on a first date to his remote rural house. Shock

freetoagoodhome · 28/07/2018 17:02

You got my alarm bells ringing as soon as you said “on the day I was supposed to go to his” as I realised you were going to his house, not his area.

Write this one off, and meet any future dates somewhere neutral, with others present.

Coolhotsummer · 28/07/2018 17:02

Why would you go to his place when you have never met him before? I have known on sight I am not interested in some men and even half an hour is awkward so I think it is a real risk to do that.

rainbowstardrops · 28/07/2018 17:04

I'd end it before it's begun whether the reason is a, b or c to be honest!
Having said that, I would never arrange to meet someone at their house (especially in a rural location!) if I hadn't already met them!
That's madness. Neutral territory always and somewhere where it's busy.

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 17:04

Coolhotsummer I have done that before. I am big and ugly enough to look after myself and if he'd been somewhere urban I'd just have jumped in an uber. But point taken.

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ijustwannadance · 28/07/2018 17:05

As if he had arranged to stay at a friends house so you could be in his house alone.

brainepson · 28/07/2018 17:05

Lucky escape, he's a dickhead and thought you were going to sleep with him. Cut all contact.

rizlett · 28/07/2018 17:06

I think its a good idea to try a 'change of plan' with every date whether intentional or not because their reaction shows you if they are a mature person (who deals with change in a simple understanding way) or someone who wants to be in control.

This man has shown you how he is even before you met him - imagine how he'd behave once he's ramped up his coercion. Lucky escape op.

Continue OLD and use this as one of your screening processes. Each time you meet someone not quite right work out how to screen that type of person out too.

Eventually you will meet someone who won't need to be screened out because they are emotionally mature.

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 17:08

I don't know: I get the safety first thing but I think the idea that all men are potential rapists and you should never go to someone's home is slightly overplayed. The vast vast majority of men are not going to jump you just because you're in their house. Not least because they want to have sex with you so are going to be on their best behaviour.

But I do think its one thing if someone lives in a built-up area with neighbours/shops/pubs/cab offices and quite another if they are in a village somewhere where everything shuts at 11pm.

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Ryder63 · 28/07/2018 17:08

FFS! as pps have said - meet OLD men somewhere neutral (and public!) for a brief first date. Look after your safety.

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 17:09

rizlett that's a very sensible approach: I like that. Thanks all.

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LunaTrap · 28/07/2018 17:13

Why on earth did you message him again to arrange another date after he had been so rude and creepy? And then twice more this week?

Gretagumbo · 28/07/2018 17:13

He’s an arse.

Anyone worth their salt would be cool with whatever you wanted to do.

Dodged a bullet.

AnyFucker · 28/07/2018 17:16

user both. Here's why I think this...

You really should not be agreeing to go stay in a remote location the first time you meet someone.

Your compass is fucked not just wonky and that is a bad situation for OLD or any dating, in fact

The fact that you are even considering his wanky behaviour was caused by your actions

The way you chased after him with repeated messages

thousandpapercranes · 28/07/2018 17:17

I wouldn’t do a first date in someone’s house irrespective of it being in built up area or a village. Granted not every man is a sexual predator but equally I’m not going to put myself in a position to find out. You’ve had a lucky escape op. Trust your gut.

Bluntness100 · 28/07/2018 17:20

Yeah I have to agree with the others. Agreeing to stay at a man you've never mets home is bonkers behaviour. And for him then to kick off because you won't sleep there is dodgy as fuck. And then to still say you'd like to see him is verging on crazy. He clearly wasn't going to stay at a mates, and was thinking you were coming over to shag him.

Block and delete. Do not go and meet this man. He's not right.

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