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Was I unreasonable or is he a dick (and potentially controlling/creepy)

123 replies

usernamefromhell · 28/07/2018 16:50

Wonder what you all make of this scenario: for background I've been separated three years and have dated a bit but a bit out of the game. I'm a single mum and have very little reliable childcare, so getting out to meet people for dates is quite often a pain in the arse and has to be properly planned.

Started messaging someone I met online -- he seemed nice, we seemed to get on. We made a plan for me to go out to where he lives. I live in London and where he lives is fairly rural and a bit out of the way although not miles from London. But remote enough that I couldn't have pulled a sharp exit after a certain time of night if I suddenly wanted to.

On the day I was supposed to go to his I confirmed that I was on my way. He had previously said I could stay over and he would make sure I could have his bed (implication being that he wouldn't be in it unless I wanted him to). But when I left to meet him I messaged to say "just so you know, I think I'm going to go home tonight."

He took great umbrage, said he'd gone out of his way to make sure I felt comfortable with the sleeping arrangements etc and had arranged for him to stay with a friend and let me stay in his place (although he hadn't mentioned this to me before), had cooked a lovely meal, etc etc. I said sorry but I wasn't comfortable with staying over, I would come for dinner but go home. He said fine, don't bother and guilted me about the fact that he'd gone to lots of trouble etc.

I went home but messaged him to say I was happy to come over this weekend but a little earlier, allowing me to spend more time there but still leaving me the option of coming home if I wasn't feeling it/wasn't comfortable staying. He said fine and we left it as a plan to be firmed up in due course. I messaged him twice this week to ask if we were still on and there has been radio silence. I know he's got my messages and hasn't blocked me. It's possible he's had some emergency but it appears much more likely he's either ghosted me or is trying to make a point.

Leaving me to conclude one of the following scenarios:

a) that he had planned to get his leg over all along but had an elaborate subterfuge to make it appear this was not the case and once I'd made it clear he couldn't count on this happening he has lost interest and/or found a better offer. In which case I dodged a bullet.

b) that he's really controlling and is trying to punish me for "letting him down", which is a red flag. In which case I also dodged a bullet.

c) (the generous interpretation) that he's genuinely upset and I have been insensitive or messed him around. In which case I deserve it.

Based on his over-reaction and the way it has unfolded I'm leaning towards a or b but curious to know whether I've just become so hardened and self-protective that I'm being unfair and need to loosen up a bit. I have difficulty trusting people and sometimes think my compass is a bit wonky.

Any thoughts?

OP posts:
NynaeveSedai · 28/07/2018 18:07

I'm a firm believer that rape is wrongly framed as something which is inflicted on women by strangers in darkened alleyways when in fact that overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by someone known to the woman

You mean like this guy was to you?

OurMiracle1106 · 28/07/2018 18:13

Rule 1 or online dating- always meet somewhere you’re familiar with, that is public and always make sure someone knows where you are and what time you are going to be back.

My best friend always knew where I was going; what time I got there (would message her to let her know) and what time i was planning on leaving/left and that I got home safe.

If you go for a drink get in and fancy turning it into cinema/meal whatever you can always let whoever’s aware of your date know with a text

BlancheM · 28/07/2018 18:14

Well, you messed him about. You made arrangements to go to his house, and only (thank God!) backed out at the last minute. You can't blame him for thinking he was about to have an adult sleepover.
Some people get annoyed when others don't stick to plans. It's my pet hate.
Silver lining is you wised up in the end.

Cliveybaby · 28/07/2018 18:16

I think the main rules of OLD are for the first date:

  • short (like coffee),
  • well-lit (pref. daytime),
  • not alone (so busy coffee shop)
  • have a contingency plan/ safety checks (tell someone where you are going, get a friend to ring you at an arranged time).
Guest2025 · 28/07/2018 18:20

Holy shit woman, would you think it was ok for your grown up daughter to do this?

Cantusethatname · 28/07/2018 18:20

As everyone else has said, why in God's name did you ever think agreeing to stay the night at a strange man's house would be a good idea?

SassitudeandSparkle · 28/07/2018 18:23

I hope this isn't real. Who would have a first date at a man's house in a remote location?! Don't be ridiculous!

LuluJakey1 · 28/07/2018 18:25

I am really surprised that you were thinking of going to a rural house, of a man you have never met before and has discussed staying over.........then after his strange, angry, controlling reaction to you changing your mind about staying over, you offer to visit again.
Now you are wondering what his motivation is for not responding to your offer.

You need to keep away from OLD until a) you are able to keep yourself safe and b) you do not get over-invested in people you know nothing about.

MortyVicar · 28/07/2018 18:28

Whose idea was it to meet at his back of beyond house rather than at your big city place? And why was that the choice?

I'd have been wary.

TwentySmackeroos · 28/07/2018 18:30

I think op has got the message about the wisdom of going to someone's home!

My general experience with online dating is that many not all men get very huffy if those things don't go exactly one way.

It's like they are waiting to say 'next!' if things don't progress in a particular way.

Mild coercive words like 'do I not get a little kiss?' / 'oh but I've made up the bed and bought in things for breakfast' / 'we are all adults' / 'you know the third date rule!'

category12 · 28/07/2018 18:40

He should have come in to London or both to a in-between place - why were you travelling to the middle of nowhere, first date? It's all very well being "I am woman her me roar", but it's important not to over-compensate in that direction. A fair arrangement would have been meeting half-way, both with an exit plan.

AnoukSpirit · 28/07/2018 18:48

Personally, I wouldn't be using or relying upon "not all men are rapists" to keep myself safe. It only takes one. The ones who'd rape you don't wear little badges to warn you.

If one decides to rape you in your sleep, any previous bravado about being tough enough to defend yourself isn't going to help.

Besides which, how do you know you wouldn't fall in with the majority of women who find their brain activates their "freeze" threat response in that situation? Most of us imagine we'd fight back or run or scream for help, but the reality is that most people freeze.

It's good to be aware that most rapes are by someone the person knew, etc, but it's very easy for us to fall into the trap of "I know the reality, so I'd see it coming and I'd be able to protect myself". Sadly, it doesn't really work like that, and that mindset can lead us to be in situations that leave us at much greater risk than necessary.

The kind of man who uses coercion when you say "no" to staying over is also the kind of man who uses coercion with sex. Coerced sex is rape.

So yeah, definitely dodged a bullet. I like the suggestion of adding a change of plans into your screening process in future.

Allabitmuchisntit · 28/07/2018 18:55

Wipe him from your memory and next time you arrange to meet someone, do it in a restaurant or pub ffs.

MariePoppins1 · 28/07/2018 18:58

Tbh I'm really surprised that you ever agreed to a first date at his house. You've got no idea who he is. Seriously, only ever go on the first few dates in public places, once you know and trust someone go to theirs.

I've been on OLD, dates can easily be a bit awkward or uncomfortable if you don't gel and have no chemistry, a coffee or drink date is ideal so you can leave after a short time and both decide whether you want to meet again.

C0untDucku1a · 28/07/2018 19:00

You dont need to waste time analysing his personality. Goy ahould hve not contacted him after the first night.

Never go to a man’s house.

Baumederose · 28/07/2018 19:01

I think the house visiting has been dealt with so I won't add to that.

But. Don't start a relationship off where they get to be a lazy arse. It's how it will continue. And then they never take you out. No thanks

GreyHare · 28/07/2018 19:01

When you say 'rural' how rural are we talking, as I may be pointing out the obvious here but living somewhat rural myself, we have a very dodgy phone signal and very patchy 4g and the nearest train station is a 10 minute car journey (not safe to walk as on unlit national speed limit road with no pavement) and the taxi you would need to get you there would be at least a 20 minute journey away and that's if they immediately dispatched one to you and we only have three buses a day, the last one being 2pm, going to meet a complete random in his rural home is really putting yourself in such a dangerous position, please please don't agree to meet up with men in the middle of nowhere.

pictish · 28/07/2018 19:09

You’ve totally dodged a bullet. A decent guy who was genuinely interested in getting to know you rather than getting his end away wouldn’t have made a murmur of complaint.

In other news I agree with everyone else...don’t agree to staying at a stranger’s house for a first date...that’s not safe and you’ve got children to consider. Don’t be so daft.

LookAtIt · 28/07/2018 19:22

How long had you been chatting with this guy?

Lyinglow50 · 28/07/2018 19:22

Jesus Christ! I just read the first 30 odd posts and I am stunned. My DD is 21 and has known not to go to a complete strangers house sinice she was about 5.

I get it OP that we can't live in a world anticipating rape at every corner but your behaviour was mind bogglingly stupid.

Please keep yourself safe.

PerverseConverse · 28/07/2018 19:29

OMG. Rule number one of online dating is to meet in a neutral PUBLIC place! You never arrange to meet someone at their house. And to arrange to sleep there too? Were you temporarily insane? No, apparently not as you said you e done it before. Unbelievable. Apart from your gross stupidity, yes, he's a bell-end and you e dodged a bullet. Please be more careful before you end up a statistic.

Lyinglow50 · 28/07/2018 19:35

Grey Hare I felt sick reading your post. I was imagining my 21 year old daughter in that scenario. Terrifying.

butlerswharf · 28/07/2018 19:57

He clearly thought he was going to get lucky and he didn't so he's got the hump and moving on to the next woman. Onwards and upwards for you. There'll be someone way better than him coming along online I'm sure!

Haffiana · 28/07/2018 19:58

The real red flag here is your own behaviour. Not the going to his house bit - that is just plain stupid - but the fact that after he had his sulky tantrum at you for daring to thwart his plans, you were immediately busy appeasing him by arranging a second date. A normal person would have closed down all contact.

You need to work on your own self respect and boundaries. How can you respect yourself so little?

NEFink · 28/07/2018 20:03

Well it sure aint C.

I reckon its A plus B = entitled male.