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Only two months married and miserable...

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Slundle · 07/06/2018 16:58

I can't actually believe I'm writing this post but I feel like I have to be honest somewhere...

I got married two months ago to my longterm boyfriend. We're longterm but we broke up about four times over the course of 12 years. Every time we broke up, it was me who did the breaking up.

So, married life has been terrible. Quite simply, we are not getting along. I find my husband notoriously difficult to communicate with. Regardless of what the issue is, his way of dealing with it is to scoff and shout. It's gotten to the stage where I'm not sure if I even like him all that much. We get on fine when everything is perfect but we all know, life isn't perfect.

I know it'd be easy for one of you to write 'leave him' but it really isn't that simple. We had a long, tough break-up before. I felt so brave and empowered but I came crawling back to him because I genuinely felt so lonely and I knew he loved me. I suffered with loneliness and anxiety. It's not easy being single in a couples' world. He also used the line 'I want to take care of you.' I do wonder if I'm demanding in an emotional sense (I'm not materialistic but I can be needy and he has told me that. Unfortunately I agree).

We tried couples' counselling before we married and the counsellor did not work for us...when I went for individual counselling, they very much urged me to leave him. Yet in couples' counselling, with a different counsellor, it felt like she very much took his side and felt sorry for him that I had broken it off in the past. I know there shouldn't be sides in counselling but it really felt that way...each session was like her counselling him and I was more or less in the background...he has used that as ammunition against me.

Anyway, there's a lot of detail left out here but the reason I'm posting is I would really like to hear from people in similar situations:

  • Have any of you had a rocky start to marriage?
  • Have any of you managed to turn your marriage around?
  • Did any of you end a marriage where there was no-one else involved (I know it's common to leave someone for someone else but I'm just genuinely very unhappy).

Anyhow, thanks for reading. I really appreciate that. My stress levels have gone through the roof and I'm angry at myself for letting my life turn out this way. As far as my friends and family are concerned, I'm happy as Larry. If only they saw the daily arguing that goes on behind closed doors.

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Slundle · 27/06/2018 14:53

He is completely refusing to admit there's any verbal abuse going on now...I got three hours sleep last night and had to get up and I feel like an emotional wreck today. He sent me a text saying he was feeling 'so down.' This is usually where I'd reply with, 'yeah, me too' and I'd say sorry and then he'd say sorry for his part too...I'm so exhausted from this constant see-saw. No matter what I do, it ends up like this. Over the years, I have honed my skills. I always stay calm now. I try not to retaliate but no matter what I do, it's the same old ding dong.

Last night's argument was really nothing compared to some we've had in the past. I don't know how this keeps going. I'm meeting a friend today. I'd love to build up the courage to just tell her everything but it might not be possible. She might have her own stuff going on; so I'll just have to gauge the mood. I'm working hard today and getting lost in work which is great. Then, every now and again, I remember my situation and feel like crumbling on to the floor and crying.

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Slundle · 27/06/2018 14:54

Thanks so much bibliomania. I'm actually crying reading your post and my break will be up soon and anyone could join me unexpectedly, so I better pull myself together. Thanks so much for the reassurance. You've no idea how much Mumsnet has helped me.

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MsPavlichenko · 27/06/2018 15:01

He will never recognise or accept his abuse. Or if he slips at all it will be your fault. Or his folks. Or his past. And so it goes on.

Take it from me . 15 years plus out. He still doesn't. And it was only when out that I saw the extent of it. Even now I am caught unawares. You can't change him. You can change your response by walking away.

LoveInTokyo · 27/06/2018 15:43

OP, I haven't managed to RTFT.

How old are you?

springydaff · 27/06/2018 16:02

Tokyo you're going to have to RTFT

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LoveInTokyo · 27/06/2018 16:12

Might have to sit this one out then, I'm afraid. But it's really up to the OP whether she answers the question or not.

Gruffalina72 · 27/06/2018 18:39

I've just been reading through the posts since Friday....

It strikes me that you are moving forward, even if you can't see it yourself right now.

There are times when you've described the life you'd want for yourself after leaving him. If you're still only able to let yourself think or write about them as hypotheticals that's fine, as long as you let the idea grow.

You seem to be starting to be able to step back and watch his behaviour with more of a distant critical eye, rather than responding emotionally and getting dragged into the cycle of abuse.

I don't know if it helps, but when I was struggling to keep my head together I used to mentally step back and start labelling where in the cycle of abuse he was (mainting control? Regaining control? Etc) and labelling the tactics he was using.

You asked what is the difference between abusive and short tempered. You had excellent responses. I'd add, the difference is that if he was short tempered he would "lose" his temper with everyone, everywhere. Not exclusively with you, at a home. The latter indicates somebody who is actually controlling their temper exceptionally well.

One of my turning points was when I stopped saying he had "lost it with me" and started saying he had "kicked off at me". I didn't make him lose his temper, he chose to use manufactured rage to get me to submit.

If things are "worse" it's because you're not complying like you were before. So he is ramping up the abuse to try and regain full control over you. That's how it works. Rules of the game.

As much as it was encouraging to read you reflecting on the ingredients you would need to live your life after he is gone, I feel I need to point out that trying to build up your self esteem when you're living with somebody who is abusing you and trying to break your self esteem is much like trying to build an igloo in a desert.

On that theme, I'm not so convinced that you would be lonely and heartbroken this time. Of course there would be pain to work through, but you are not the same person you were back then and now you are beginning to see things as they really are.

There is a little spark of resilience, of "no, I do not deserve to live like this" that occasionally comes through in your posts. I hope it keeps growing. It will help you.

That anger you've started to feel - that entirely justified anger you are feeling - will help you too. Anger is protective, it tells us something is happening that is wrong, and it gives us the impetus to change it. Anger is only a bad thing when we use it as an excuse to hurt others or allow it to fester without doing anything to change the situation.

You will find you continue to swing between the growing clarity that this is abuse, and feeling attached to him or guilty for telling us what he's like or for daring to contemplate the idea he is abusive. He has done this to you. It's part of how he has kept control of you for so long.

I remembered as I was reading your posts how very low I had the bar set when I was at this stage. All he had to do was walk into the room, refrain from yelling at me, say the word "hello" in a neutral, non aggressive voice then walk back out the room and resume ignoring me - and I would feel like I was a terrible person for contemplating leaving, and oh of course he wasn't really abusive (how horrible was I for even thinking such a thing) because he had just managed to say a single word to me without being vile, as if I was an actual human.

And I would hold that up to myself as proof he wasn't abusive, because for that single instant he wasn't doing anything terrible.

I am glad that you confided in your sister and that she responded the way she did. I was afraid to tell people, and felt like I would be imposing. Except everyone I told was distraught to learn what had been going on and how bad things had been for me. They felt guilty for not having realised. They told me if they'd known they'd have tried to help me leave.

It was only when I picked the least bad example I could think of to tell someone, and they recoiled in shock then started crying, that it sunk in for me how badly he had distorted my perception of what was normal and acceptable.

Have you given any more thought to the Freedom Programme? I really truly think it would help you sort through this, and be able to see what is happening without all the self doubt he has planted. Freedom will never tell you that you have to leave, so attending it doesn't mean you have decided to leave. You can view it as a quest for knowledge and nothing more if you want to.

nicenewdusters · 27/06/2018 20:52

Haven't had a chance to post for a while. You've had some amazing advice on here.

That comment about the worst part of the day is lying next to you.

Even the label abuse doesn't cover that utterly hate filled comment towards you. Imagine the mind and emotions of a person that can take such an intimate part of any relationship, and twist it so as to use it as an insult against you.

And look at the intent behind it. He's saying Slundle, you lying in bed next to me is ruining my day. So not only is your turning over in bed or coughing "annoying" for him, your very existence in your "marital bed" is awful for him.

But amazingly he his distraught when he thinks you might leave. Why? Apparently you repulse him. But of course you don't repulse him. He just is the man he is - to you. Not to anybody else, as you are seeing. Just to you.

All the people around you really won't give a shiny shit if you leave him. It's gossip then gone. If you tell people this is the kind of thing he's said and they support him, then they can do one, good riddance. The people worth knowing will support you. Either way it doesn't really matter. Only you matter.

littledinosaurs · 27/06/2018 21:35

100% THIS - As much as it was encouraging to read you reflecting on the ingredients you would need to live your life after he is gone, I feel I need to point out that trying to build up your self esteem when you're living with somebody who is abusing you and trying to break your self esteem is much like trying to build an igloo in a desert.

On that theme, I'm not so convinced that you would be lonely and heartbroken this time. Of course there would be pain to work through, but you are not the same person you were back then and now you are beginning to see things

Slundle, I have just finished reading the full thread. I am rooting so hard for you to find peace and happiness, because it's clear that you're suffering so much and can't go on like this.

I was with an emotionally abusive partner in my teens and early twenties and it did a lot of damage and still undoubtedly affects me a decade later. I know some of what you're going through. I know how hard it is to leave after so long. I know the constant exhausting internal battle. Whether you manage to leave or not, you are amazing and strong and resourceful. Please be kind to yourself.

I hope you had a good time with your friend. Thanks

springydaff · 27/06/2018 21:55

Yes yes to gruffalina's points about the Freedom Programme

mathanxiety · 27/06/2018 22:02

She might have her own stuff going on; so I'll just have to gauge the mood.

This speaks volumes about how you see yourself. There is no room in your world for you. You have to make room for everybody else.

I know it is really, really hard.

Could you ask your friend if you could send her a note or a letter about a problem in your life that you would like to unburden yourself about, or ask her if the two of you could meet up again because there is something you would like to talk about with her.

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mathanxiety · 27/06/2018 22:16

Gruffalina
One of my turning points was when I stopped saying he had "lost it with me" and started saying he had "kicked off at me". I didn't make him lose his temper, he chose to use manufactured rage to get me to submit.

I used to think my exH would 'lose his temper' too.

It dawned on me very suddenly one absolutely horrible day when DD4 was 8 weeks old that he was actually 'using his temper'.

chocorabbit · 27/06/2018 22:35

mathanxiety has written what has been on my mind for some time now!! Your friend finds it appropriate to talk to you about her problems. Instead you keep thinking how your problems are going to affect others! You always put others first. So should you. It's normal.

If I were you I would have played his game first. He is the first to always "confess" how much he has been affected as if you do not exist: If I had been abused like that I would have started first about how hurt I was and not stopped! Why is it always his game?? But then this man is going to abuse you anyway so it's best to not engage with him at all but detach and let go.

bibliomania · 28/06/2018 09:44

Good posts. I love the image of trying to build an igloo in the desert.

You said before that someone shouting at you didn't seem enough to leave. What about the fact that he doesn't actually like you very much? He might protest his love, but he doesn't seem to like you or enjoy your company or your physical presence in the same room, does he?

Living with someone who doesn't like you really saps your own sense of yourself as a likeable person. Bad enough if it's a room-mate, but when it's meant to be your most intimate relationship, it's deeply painful.

You don't have to label him abusive if that doesn't feel right to you. You can leave him because he just doesn't like you.

nononsene · 28/06/2018 10:21

Don’t have a baby yet!

I came on to say that the first year of our married life was very tough. We argued all the time, but we worked through it and are happily married 17 years on.

I do think there was some psychological reaction to getting married.

Having said that we never had any of the issues you have described before we got married.

nicenewdusters · 28/06/2018 18:38

having said that we never had any of the issues you have described before we got married

So how does your experience tie into this thread then? I can't see that it does.

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yoomoo · 29/06/2018 06:21

@slundle I’ve just read the entire thread (well all of your posts and a few of the others for speed!) and I just wanted to say I was in exactly your position 18 months ago. Totally and utterly miserable in a marriage that shouldn’t have happened in the first place, we should really have split but we’d just bought a house and it was kind of we either split or get married. Neither of us was willing to admit our relationship was awful so the wedding went ahead. Even when I was getting ready in the morning I knew deep down it was wrong 😔 15 months after the wedding we had the most almighty argument (no violence involved) where it all came to a head and we mutually agreed that divorce was the best option. Don’t get me wrong that was the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make but 1 year down the line I can also say it’s the best decision. The divorce wasn’t pleasant but I don’t think any are, I divorced him for unreasonable behaviour which when I look back I wonder why I tolerated it for so long! He didn’t like it but there you go, someone has to make the first move. Luckily no children involved so it was a clean break and since the day the decree absolute came through 6 months ago we’ve not spoken at all. It’s really weird to be with someone for 6 years and then just not be so I can imagine how hard it is for you after 12. After our marital home was sold I’ve bought myself a lovely little 2 bedroom apartment (with a garden for my 2 dogs, he wasn’t interested in them) and life couldn’t be better. In December I signed up to a dating site (hearing my ex had moved on spurred me into action!) and after a few weeks of talking I met my now partner for our first date, here we are 6 months later happier than I could imagine. He is the best thing that’s ever happened to me and makes me realise how much I put up with before in my marriage. It might be quick for some people but it felt right for me, my marriage was dead in the water from the very beginning.
I’m so sorry to read what you are going through, I wanted to share my story as a bit of hope I guess. I don’t know what the future holds for me and my new partner but it’s looking bright at the moment, my family say I am a totally different person since splitting with my ex which I can only see as a good thing! I was also SO embarrassed and didn’t want to tell anyone we’d split after a short marriage but I can honestly say everyone has been so supportive and not one has been judgemental. My family were shocked but when they saw how much happier I was afterwards they knew it was the right decision. I would urge you to confide in your friends, I didn’t tell mine while we were married but they were an amazing support once the split had happened. Feel free to PM on here if you want any advice or just to chat. I get the loneliness thing but I promise you won’t be on your own forever Flowers

Slundle · 29/06/2018 11:49

Thanks for all of your posts. Even though the disagreement the other night was minor compared to past ones, it really hit home how bad things are. As I lay in bed alone, unable to sleep, I wondered why he had stormed off over something minor.

Someone said he's only focused on how if affects him. Very true. I brought that up and he said he was just so frustrated at my reaction. But I was so frustrated at his reaction. So by his rationale, he's able to respond aggressively to frustration but I'm not allowed respond even with calm words ..

There's no intimacy between us (potential TMI ALERT) these days. I can't remember the last time we french kissed and we haven't had sex once since I posted here. I can't imagine having sex with him because my head is so confused. I went through a phase years ago where I would involuntarily cry after sex. I think it's because he was being loving & nice & on some subconscious level, it was all so confusing.

I do think he is short tempered as he's had run-ins with others over the years. He has, however, gotten much better at controlling himself around others & much worse at controlling himself around me. Confused

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Slundle · 29/06/2018 11:52

Thanks @yoomoo . It sounds like you really turned your life around. Good on you for being brave enough to divorce and move on. When you said you divorced for 'unreasonable behaviour' I thought of all of H's unreasonable behaviour.

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Slundle · 29/06/2018 12:01

Living with someone who doesn't like you really saps your own sense of yourself as a likeable person.

This is really sad because it's true...I feel I dislike him in lots of ways too...then this morning he was getting ready for work and he looked lovely and I sadly wondered why we can't 'just get along.'

I often think of two women he works with who he made cry in separate incidents. This was about 10 years ago. (A) Neither of those women would put up with what I have put up with even though they don't come across any more assertive than me...but they are. One of them approached him afterwards and said 'I really didn't appreciate the way you spoke to me.'

(B) when he told me the incidents and how upset they were, it made me realise how high their expectations of people must be. His behaviour towards them was really low level compared to what I've experienced with him.

(C) why didn't I have enough self respect to run for the hills? I did and he followed me up the hill & carries me back down on his back.

I don't know what to do. It's up and down, up & down the whole time & it's looking less like an intimate relationship every day.

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Slundle · 29/06/2018 12:03

*carried

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