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Really struggling with autistic husband- can anybody help?

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yorkshireyummymummy · 28/04/2018 13:22

He was diagnosed three years ago and somehow he seems to have become more autistic since the diagnosis. He blames the autism for his bad behaviour. However it’s generally ME he blames for everything.
We had had an argument last night over something ridiculous ( as always). He ramps them up very quickly and then refuses to eat. He says it’s to stop him getting an ulcer but to me it always feels like he is punishing me by refusing to eat the food I have cooked. He came to bed at midnight and woke me up by putting my spare pillow on my chest/stomach. I half woke up , confused and not with it, and asked what was this ( meaning pillow) and why was it there? He interpreted this as me having a go at him and so got dressed, and refused to come to bed. He woke me up @ 9am telling me it was his turn for the bed as he had been awake all night, freezing cold because he had no dinner and it was all my fault. His latest thing is that he is incapable of getting himself any food. There was a portion of chilli and rice ready to microwave, homemade pie, and cooked sausages so plenty of choice. But he is seemingly incapable of putting anything into the microwave and pressing a button. So he ate crisps and chocolate.
The whole weekend will be ruined by his mood . And it will ALL BE MY FAULT.
H3 threatens suicide often and although I love him very much and I’m very aware of my marriage vows I feel trapped.
I know without me he will end up a complete recluse who forgets to wash, eat properly and won’t see anybody as he won5 leave the house. So I have no option but to stay.
He is about to start done psychological treatment that he was reccomended after his diagnosis. It’s tsken me nearly three years to get the funding agreed for it.
I have no support network. My mother would tell me to leave h8m so I don’t confide in her.
Because he doesn’t like going out or social situations my social life ( which was huge) has shrunk to zero. I have two friends who both live abroad. His family all live 300 miles away and are too busy wrapped up in their own lives to bother how we are.
To cap it all off our ten yr old child is currently being assessed for autism too. Eighteen month wait fir an appointment though so it will be a while until it’s official. But I know my DC is autistic. Too many things I see which can’t be learned behaviour.
So I have an autistic husband, possible autistic child, no friends, no social life , no support network. I feel like running away.
I’m demented. Totally and utterly.
Is there anybody with an autistic husband who can give me some advice or tips on how you cope?

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Wintertime4 · 29/04/2018 18:36

I don’t think it’s helpful for your problems to see it as an overarching Autism.

Specific issues are much better to deal with (and quoting temple Grandin there an autistic person). So in your case:

  • he blames you for his own behaviour. I wander whether cbt counselling might show him the wrong thinking here? Tricky as he might frame it to look like he’s in the right as it were.
  • passive aggressive behaviour like not eating or sleeping.

The above really are his shit to deal with. Autism is not an excuse to be an immature asshole! However you don’t get to control whether he does deal with it. What are you going to do to improve your own life?

RhubarbTea · 29/04/2018 18:41

I know without me he will end up a complete recluse who forgets to wash, eat properly and won’t see anybody as he won5 leave the house. So I have no option but to stay.

That's exactly what happened to my autistic ex after I left and honestly I couldn't give a fuck. He's a hoarder as well. I go round once a week for half an hour to clean so it is reasonable when DS is there, but beyond that I don't care what ex does with his time or whether he washes etc. It's grim but entirely his own responsibility, you have to let go and accept that he is his own person and you are not responsible for him acting like an adult. That's all up to him.
It's quite freeing when you realise this.

Branleuse · 29/04/2018 18:51

in my autistic family we dont abuse each other like this.

BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 20:03

Ours neither, Branleuse. If it happened he'd be gone.

Namechange128 · 29/04/2018 20:18

The other thing to consider is that by staying, you are putting the mental health of your DH - a fully grown adult, diagnosis or not - above the mental health of your son, who is instead growing up with in an abusive household with a father who controls his mother by threatening suicide.

If you won't leave for yourself, then at least consider who your real duty of care should be for?

yorkshireyummymummy · 29/04/2018 20:56

Gosh, thank you all so much for your lovely messages. ( and I acknowledge the not so nice ones but I’m not going to thank you even if you are autistic)

I have been busy today so this is my first look on here. There’s some wonderful messages and to those of you who have given support and kind words I think you very much.

So, just to clarify.......neither DH or myself knew he had autism when we met. I don’t know if we had even heard the word. I think not. He had been diagnosed with social phobia and agoraphobia years before. We were 8ntroduced by mutual friends and we fell in love sat holding hands over a kitchen table talking non stop and listening to music. I was sick of clubbing and living in hotels due to my job so I was ready for a change and it just felt right. He wasn’t as ( bad? Extreme? I don’t know what word to put here) as he is now. He never had a proper ‘ meltdown ‘ until well after we were married.
I admit I knew nothing of social phobia or agoraphobia but I learned to ensure he always knew where we we going if he had to leave the house, that he knew the route and where we would park. I knew to sit him with his back to a wall - preferably in a corner near an emergency exit. I knew never to shout his name in a shop or draw attention to him. I always answer the phone and the door. I stopped going to party’s etc because I got sick of trying to explain why I was on my own yet again. And of course the invites stopped coming. I stopped having dinner/supper party’s after the 4th? 5th? 6th? time ( i forget which) time an argument occurred ten minutes before everybody was due to arrive and 8 had to greet and host our guests on my own. I got sick of lying to them that he had a sudden illness - “ what? Again?” - and getting pitiful looks and seeing the knowing glances between couples. It just all became no fun and too embarrassing..... so friends were quietly dropped from our lives.

I greatly resent Bishops comment about having no understanding and not wanting to either. If i didn’t want to help and understand more then I would have posted this bloody thread would I? I wouldn’t have spend hours desperately writing letters, emails , phone calls to getnhim the funding for some treatment. I wouldn’t have spent hours reading as much as I could on autism, how it affects you etc, etc etc. I would nt have gone to every appointment he has ever had with him! I have loved him, protected him, fielded every phone call with every body/ company/institution going, tried my best to help him wherever I can and encouraged him to try and get a bit of confidence. I haven’t screamed at him when he has forgotten something I carefully explained to him four times the day before, or when I ask him to take something out of the oven at a certain time and write him a note telling h8m in great detail what he needs to do and yet 8 still come home to something black and inedible. I try not to show upset when he has had zero empathy for me but expects attention showered on him when he is ill or feeling out of sorts. I didn’t fly at him when he told me to ‘ stop indulging myself and pull myself together’ after I had a miscarriage. I didn’t punch him in the mouth when he asked me if I was ‘ really going to cry every year on our sons birthday. Our son who died and whose death i still haven’t fully processed as I wasn’t really able to as I had to put his feelings first. If I didn’t want to help and understand him better then I would have left him a long time ago wouldn’t I???

I will give you the benefit of the doubt bishop since you are - you say- autistic. But I have asked you to stop posting on this thread as I really don’t need or want your nasty comments. Do you not understand the simplicity of go away?

I think from what a lot of you say, and what I have long suspected , is that his behaviour is a seperate thing to his autism. Although, I have on other threads seen women posting about their own abusive autistic husbands so I’m not too sure. I need to find out if it is a trait of autistic people to be abusive and how to make them see that their behaviour is. Because he doesn’t see this a lot of the time. When he does calm down and release that he has gone too far he is contrite and apologetic and makes assurances that he will really really try not to do it again.

But I do feel like I have two children, just a few decades between them. I’m not a wife in the traditional sense. I’m a half wife half carer.

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BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 21:35

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BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 21:39

Oh... and... in your long thread about your saintly dealing with his 'undesirable' behaviour you've demonstrated you knew full well what he was like diagnosis or no diagnosis. You then chose to continue that relationship.

If you are unhappy with his inability to change then you have choices.

MinaPaws · 29/04/2018 21:42

I need to find out if it is a trait of autistic people to be abusive and how to make them see that their behaviour is.

It isn't. I mean, they can be but it's not necessarily tied in to the condition of autism. Just as abusive neurotypical men (and there are scores of them on the relationships boards) aren't abusive because they're neurotypical. Other personality factors come into play in autism. You don't have autism instead of a personality, instead of personal failings and strengths and foibles. It's alongside.

OP, if someone hasn't linked you to them yet PM me and I will. They're for MNers married to autistic men, and the woman who runs DifferentTogether is often around on them with advice and contacts.

yorkshireyummymummy · 29/04/2018 22:01

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BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 22:05

Of you're so bothered go away yourself

BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 22:06

Oh and OP I've not been nasty, bullying or goady once.

You however....

paranoidpammywhammy2 · 29/04/2018 22:11

Is there a way to hide posters comments if you don't want to see them?

BishopBrennansArse · 29/04/2018 22:25

Nope. I've asked HQ numerous times but apparently it's not needed 🙄

Strigiformes · 29/04/2018 22:27

Hi op, it might be best if you post some of your questions on a forum for autistic adults. The NAS one is very friendly and supportive. You ask if it's a trait for autistic people to be abusive, I personally don't think that it is. Also, to address a comment that you made above to Bishop, it's a bit of a myth that autistic people have no empathy. It can be really difficult for autistic people to express how they feel, it doesn't mean that they don't feel empathy for others. The thing is with autism is that it's a spectrum and there's a saying that if you've met one person with autism then you've met one person with autism. No person with autism is going to be the same as another. You can however be a dick and be autistic. I think that your dh is behaving really badly and is using his diagnosis as an excuse. Don't blame the autism, blame him.

Gilead · 29/04/2018 22:32

This thread is scary. Theories put about allistic people having to accommodate our behaviours, half of which are total bollocks icky a bit more research on the empathy front, please. It's a cut and paste ASC list from the 1980s. Hmm A total lack of understanding about how we cope with allistic behaviours etc. Angry
OP I left my Autistic dh. He hasn't committed suicide and found a replacement within three months.

MimpiDreams · 29/04/2018 22:35

As yo7 are autistic you will have problems with empathy and so you are clearly not in the right page on this thread.

Sorry but that's pretty offensive to autistic people. It's a myth which has been thoroughly debunked.

yorkshireyummymummy · 29/04/2018 22:36

paranoidpammy.
I wish there was..........

minapaws. The lovely Icky posted on about page two of this thread and gave me the link to the different together website.
I have joined and plan to spend a couple of hours tomorrow when I will have some peace going through the site. I have had a quick look and it looks like there’s lots of help and support on there which will be marvellous.
There’s been some lovely messages on this thread and some which haven’t been lovely but have really made me think - which is also great. But there have been some dreadful ones too which have really upset me.
When I wrote the line you have highlighted in your post I can see how that might read. But I am a great believer in if you are told something enough you start to believe it and although I know my husband can be abusive I don’t know if it’s the autism or if it’s just him . He tells me it’s the autism and I suppose that I think that since it’s him who is autistic he must know best.........and I wondered how i could help him to see that if it’s not the autism then he is 8n control of it and he can change it. But he would need to accept that and he would need for somebody other than me to tell him . I’m hoping that his course of sessions with a psychologist ( the one who diagnosed him actually ) will help him so much. I’m hanging a lot of hope on these actually but he can be such a lovely lovely man and we are sometimes so very happy. I have also found a local group /charity which supports autistic children and their families so I’m hoping that we can start to go there and see what it’s like. I just have to persuade h8m that it will be f8ne, and if it isn’t we can come home!

I really hope other posters don’t think I was trying to come across as a saint- I’m far from that and I know it . It certainly wasn’t my intention to do that. I just think the more info people have the more they may understand ......or not in some cases(!?) .

I don’t think I have been nasty about autistic people but if 8 have could somebody NICE please tell me where. Please take into account that writing this is quite emotional and it’s a bit like letting it all out. And because of certain posts I have got more emotional sadly. 😢

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yorkshireyummymummy · 29/04/2018 22:44

mimpidreams sorry, i was told by my husbands psychologist who gave him his diagnosis that autistic people struggle with empathy. I realise this won’t be every single one but I thought it was a very common autistic trait. And every single autistic person 8nhave mat has struggled with empathy. I suppose I can only go on what my experiences have been.

strigi I have had contact with at least 3women on here via PM ( not because of this thread but in months past) who have all had abusive autistic husbands so this lead me to think it might be something which is common. No one has ever contacted me to say their partner isn’t so I didn’t know if the autism was a factor or not.

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badtime · 29/04/2018 22:51

I haven’t screamed at him when he has forgotten something I carefully explained to him four times the day before, or when I ask him to take something out of the oven at a certain time and write him a note telling h8m in great detail what he needs to do and yet 8 still come home to something black and inedible. I try not to show upset when he has had zero empathy for me but expects attention showered on him when he is ill or feeling out of sorts. I didn’t fly at him when he told me to ‘ stop indulging myself and pull myself together’ after I had a miscarriage. I didn’t punch him in the mouth when he asked me if I was ‘ really going to cry every year on our sons birthday. Our son who died and whose death i still haven’t fully processed as I wasn’t really able to as I had to put his feelings first.

Why, OP?

Why have you let him get away with treating you like shit and not said anything about it? Have you no boundaries?

Treating you badly is no more acceptable because he is autistic; anyway, if he didn't understand your ways because he was autistic but he was a nice guy, he wouldn't be bothered to have it pointed out when he did something disrespectful or unacceptable. He might even be grateful, so he would not inadvertently be an arse in future. But he's not a nice guy, he is abusive and you walk on eggshells.

(BTW, I am 99% sure my husband is autistic. He is kind and gentle and thoughtful. You need to accept that it isn't the autism that makes your husband act like a dick.)

Gilead · 29/04/2018 22:56

Autism does not make people abusive

Gilead · 29/04/2018 22:57

i was told by my husbands psychologist who gave him his diagnosis that autistic people struggle with empathy.
The Psychologist was wrong. They need to update their research.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 29/04/2018 23:09

OP - I very gently and respectfully suggest that you take some time looking around the DT site. You will find much to support and soothe as you get your head around all of this. What you have described will be recognised and understood and not judged.

You don't owe anyone here explanations or justifications.

BlankTimes · 29/04/2018 23:28

The Psychologist was wrong. They need to update their research

This ^ with bells on.
It's such an outdated concept that does such harm to autistic people in the community, like all the other ghastly and also wrong stereotypes. Can't make eye contact. Everybody is on the spectrum somewhere. It's only mild autism. Everyone has a hidden talent. Great at maths and computer genius. etc.