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Why on earth do we stay with nasty abusive men?

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Oneday5 · 22/04/2018 21:53

.... I would like to know from anyone who had been in an abusive relationship, what do you think:

  1. made you attracted to this man in the first place?

  2. when you knew he was abusive why did you stay?

Why am I asking this?

Because I am from the outside world a smart woman but inside my home I have for the last few years been putting up with an emotionally and physically abusive man and I am annoyed with myself I didn’t do something about it earlier.

I would just like to share stories and support/ gain support from others in this situation.

x

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Oneday5 · 25/04/2018 20:29

RosaRosaRose

So sorry you have suffered years of abuse and not only that, but that the severity became worse with each relationship. It is sad to hear the refuge you found great support in is now closed and totally agree to help others on mumsnet forums is maybe only helping a few, but making a big impact on those few.

Keep up the good work, your words have certainly helped me x

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Oneday5 · 25/04/2018 20:31

Whenwillth1send

I agree that these men seem to put their needs before others and I fell into the trap in putting his before mine too. X

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Oneday5 · 25/04/2018 20:35

Just wanted to know if anyone had been in a similar situation to mine. My husband had made recordings of me being shouty/ and very upset with him. He’s purposely made these to make me look bad and I totally accept and are ashamed that they do- bad language/ answering back etc. I fear when we go to court they will believe what he is saying that I have been the abuser.

Had anyone been in this kind of situation?

After years of put downs I have over the last year started to retaliate.

Your comments would be greatly appreciated x

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Oneday5 · 25/04/2018 20:40

Just to add my husband has said he will use these to prove I’m the abuser and gain primary car of our child x

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NutCase82 · 25/04/2018 22:22

I am also on videos that begin after he has been abusive. The videos start after I have got my children out of the way. I am hysterical on them, I've just been abused and am terrified but I need to get things to care for the children so have to re-enter the home.

He has me shouting out what I am doing like a commentary even though I'm so focused I don't realise I'm being filmed 'I need their clothes, I need their dinners' I will shout as I go to get the things.
He will say lies like I told him he won't see the kids again so I shout replies 'I did not I said they don't want to see you like this'. I'm hoarse by the time I'm done and look like an hysterical crazy mess.
What's missing on film though is what got me to that stage. He loves to laugh and re-in-act my 'acting' as he calls it. I once got him arrested and he told me the police found it hilarious (obviously a lie!) it's harrowing, devastating and frightening that someone of totally sound mind can be reduced to that through trauma purposely caused by her partner.
These men are sick. They should never have to witness such messes in their partners, let alone cause it!!

NurseButtercup · 25/04/2018 22:48

If this helps you find the strength to leave I'm happy to share an edited version of my story:

  1. He was attractive, lots of fun, charming and behaved like a perfect gentleman and gave the impression that he was ready to be in a loving committed relationship.

  2. he was very very controlling and manipulative. He slowly chipped away at my confidence and managed to convince me that I was unreasonable and always wrong. He convinced me that his love was pure and all the doubts I expressed and our arguments were normal for a couple so in love. I was always tired due to the job I was working at the time. He used to wake me up in the night either for sex or because he was hungry so we had to go out together so he could get something to eat. There were so so many things he did that I won't go into, but he just wore me down. He started to get violent, damaging my stuff and furniture and I was scared of him. He always used to say he'd kill himself if I ever left him - I felt guilty for having thoughts of leaving him.

The turning point was when I was at home one evening, waiting for him to come over, dreading his arrival and I just happened to watch the program on BBC two murdered by my boyfriend. I saw lots of similarities between my ex's behaviour and the abuser in the program. I didn't want to end up dead. It was also around the time when the law changed and the police had started to take DV seriously.

I sent my ex a text to tell him it was over and then I phoned the police. I had to wait 6 months before he was charged and convicted of harrasing me - he was given a 12month suspended sentence because he pleaded guilty.

MargoLovebutter · 26/04/2018 09:46

Oneday5, you need to get legal advice as soon as you can. Your husband is trying to control you through fear. Please speak to WomensAid.

Oneday5 · 26/04/2018 10:08

Thankyou very much MargoLovebutter
I am seeking legal advice and I have a long and difficult road ahead.

I totally agree he’s set me up in a trap, to get recordings of me to be able to use in court to say “she’s the abuser” “she’s mental”

The thing that’s hurting me the most is I’ve felt into his trap, and it’s I’m sure weakened my position.

After 5 years or so of being worn down by him and him never regretting the abuse on me (spitting/ physical/ put downs etc) I have changed from a girl who would tell him I’m so sorry, I shouldn’t be like this etc to a woman who in his words “rants around the house”

I’m sinking at the thought I’ve been like this in front of my child.

X

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Oneday5 · 26/04/2018 10:09

Sorry should have said,.. I’ve fallen into his trap

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Justanotherzombie · 26/04/2018 10:13

Initially he was interesting to me and I enjoyed his company.

In the end, his abusiveness crept in slowly. And only started after more than a year of being together. By that stage I cared for him. I watched him being abusive to me and knew he was wrong and that I would have to leave but it hurt my heart to hurt him by leaving. Abusive people are not like that 24/7. They have good parts to them and are human to you too so all you feel on top of your own devastation about how they are treating you is the weight of their devastation if you were to leave. It was overwhelming.

Of course when I finally did he was ‘devestated’ for a few months and then moved on so easily it was laughable. I was just glad not to have that guilt anymore.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 26/04/2018 11:27

Your first question is one I've asked .myself many times.
I found the answer in therapy.
I had been a young single mum. Worked hard at getting a career, brought my son up alone and built up a nice little home by myself.it was hard and I had the kind of responsibility at 17 most people dont have until their late 20s.
My short marriage (with a lovely man) had ended, I started a new job, I moved into a lovely house I had been waiting years for and my now grown up son was involved in a life threatening accident, all within 2 years.
When I look back I was so fed up of worrying about everything, always being the one to sort things, being so responsible for everything alone. To the outside world, my friends I was strong and independent but in reality I was vulnerable and scared when I met him. I think men like him have a radar for women like me.
I saw controlling but interpreted it as strong and protective, what was exactly what I needed at the time.
I quickly realised that his advice about how I looked and acted was actually insults.
I began to see that his concern and care was actually control and coercive behaviour designed to make me think I was useless without him.
Within a year he had moved in (I felt pushed into it but at the time he said we would argue less if we saw eachother more).
I'm not a stupid gullable woman. I'm educated, financially sufficient and completely capable but within a year he had convinced me:
I wore too much make up
My friends were jealous of our relationship
My family didn't like him so they would try to break us up
I looked better in black or grey
To come off of the pill because it was making me crazy
That we only needed eachother
That I was impossible to live with
That I was insane
That no one else would love me
That he was doing me a huge favour by sticking around
He would openly slag me off and call me names to his friends/ex. Then tell me what they all said. For example I don't know how you put up with her, poor you, you're such a nice bloke. He even sent messages to all of my family saying he was so worried about my mental health.He twisted and turned my mind so I didn't know what way was up. His tools of choice were humiliation, sleep deprivation, verbal abuse, intimidation, threats of physical abuse, emotional blackmail and intense interrogation.
I was fucked up and constantly exhausted.
I finally came to my senses when after a particularly bad period I started talking to my friends and family about what was going on. It helped me gain clarity and realise it wasnt me it was him.
Long story short I tried to end it, he locked me in the house and beat me then kicked me out of my home. I pressed charges, I knew I couldn't stay after that. That would not have been the last time he did it. I won in court, I found out so many things about him, I wasn't the first, I won't be the last.
I did 6 months of intense trauma counselling and a year on I'm getting there.

lilybetsy · 26/04/2018 11:34
  1. I was just (3 months) out of an abusive marriage to a drug addict. I have three boys (and this is relevant because I thought boys needed a male role model) he was utterly utterly charming. Thoughtful, kind, helpful invested, straightforward etc I am financially independent because I have a good job so all I wanted was someone to be kind to me and the children. And he was, for at least a year till his non earning, cock lodging feet were right under my table. He pulled me in with obfuscation , a mask and outright lies.
  2. because I could see no way out. I seriously contemplated suicide because although I 100% financially supported him and we had no joint children I was desperate. he chipped away at my confidence in myself, in my parenting, in my children he isolated me and tried to take over everything in the house. he bullied my kids and tried to drive the eldest away. When I did leave I immediately found a therapist because I knew I could not manage t alone. My head knew I had to get away, but I was still in love with him and still hopelessly invested

pamplemousse it takes a while, it took me about 18 months to actually see him for who he is and thus no longer love him, and he is now NOT under my skin.
I've written a blog partly about my recovery from his abuse: here is one of my posts wordpress.com/post/alcoholfree2016.com/7163

Luxembourgmama · 26/04/2018 11:36

Initially shit self esteem made me think he was 'exciting' then he convinced me no one else would want me that I was too old. (I was 30)

ALittleBitConfused1 · 26/04/2018 11:38

I also agree with the pp who pointed out that abusers can be the nicest people sometimes. He would be calling me a cxnt one minute then we would have days of presents, flowers, treating me like a princess. He would openly say to me im a nice guy, I'd do anything for you. It's you that is the cxnt not me, let me help you see how much I love you.
When I look back I was in a constant state of confusion and fear.
Eggshells everywhere because I never knew when he would switch from Mr nice to total arse. I think they all do it, it's the cycle of abuse and it knocks all the fight out of you. Day to day just becomes an existence of navigating their moods and trying to make them as happy as possible so you get peace

yetmorecrap · 26/04/2018 11:52

Be interesting to hear from any men with nasty abusive women, because I know they are out there. Sometimes conversations I hear in town particularly with some older women make my hair curl and the blokes seem to have turned into doormats!!

blahblah12 · 26/04/2018 11:55
  1. made you attracted to this man in the first place?
    First time in love, had been single for years, he was fun and different, and I desperately wanted a relationship and to start a family. I didn’t think I would meet anyone else I think through low self esteem and body issues. I’ve always felt that men who were keen must be somehow ‘below’ (sounds horrible, but I can’t think what the word I need is) me that they were no good, so I guess I inevitably ended up with someone who wasn’t that bothered about me. He was so certain of everything whereas I am filled with doubt. He took things fast as other people have said, it was a whirlwind, and at 30 I so wanted to believe it all, and ignored my doubts. He had a tough childhood and I was attracted to the thought that he could be a better person with my support and love. Being ‘better’ (again awful word, but I can’t think what else to use, maybe nicer?) than his ex was also appealing, he told me how horrible she was and I worked hard to not be like her in anyway – probably the first way he controlled me. I thought his apparent lack of empathy was macho posturing – I now realise that he genuinely lacks empathy. He constantly criticised me, undermined me and convinced me I was always wrong. He chipped away at my self-belief, gas lighted me and did his best to damage and undermine my relationships with my family and friends. He pressurised me into sex that I didn’t want, at times that I didn’t want and blamed me when this was painful (there must be something wrong with me), or I wasn’t confident enough in his eyes. He demanded I open up to him, then ridiculed me for what I told him. He gave compliments that came with either an implied or explicit criticism – never an actual compliment (eg that dress looks good on you, much better that what you normally wear/the other dress shows your tummy fat too much). He claimed I had memory problems when I had different recollections of conversations that we’d had.

  2. when you knew he was abusive why did you stay?
    It took a frighteningly long time to realise that he was abusive (there was no physical abuse until I ended things, it was all emotional abuse and coercive control). It was my only serious relationship and I thought some of it was ‘normal’ and part of the ups and downs of ‘real’ grown up relationships. I realised that he was difficult and I put that down to his childhood and his ex, and I thought that I was an easy going enough person to be with him, that I was a person who was kind enough – I sort of congratulated myself on it. I thought that as an easy going person that it was my lot to end up with a more difficult person. I was also ashamed to fail, to admit that I had made a mistake, I tried to cover up the difficulties and distanced myself from friends and family as a way to hide it. He made me believe that it was my fault, that I should have stood up to him sooner, that I’d led us down this road, that I didn’t express myself right, so how could he know?
    I went back to him several times because I thought that I could be better, that we could start afresh, and that I could be flexible enough to let him have his way and therefore be happy, and that if he was happy we would all be happy. I realise now that I can’t make him happy, that I could never give enough, and that I can’t fix him. That his lack of respect for me, for women in general, and probably for all people who aren’t him isn’t ever going to change and that is ultimately his problem and will always be. Also that he is total git, who is possibly a sociopath.

Like onlymeeeee, hearing his abuse coming from my DD’s mouth made me finally realise that I couldn’t protect my children from him by allowing myself to be his (metaphorical) punchbag and that the relationship we had was not good for my children – I had already realised that it wasn’t good for me, but thought that being together for our children, and keeping him close was the best option (I had left him several times in the past but thought that life with him as an enemy was so much harder than life with him where he thought he was in control). I stupidly thought that by letting him think he was in control, I was in control, but actually I was just letting him continue to abuse, bully, control and damage me.

I can’t remember which other poster said this, but I also ignored the advice which I think everyone should hear - that you should look to how someone treats their mother, and sisters and ex’s. I ignored all the warning signs.

I also think kindness is the most important quality in a partner, and I totally ignored that in my rush to have a relationship and to have a family.

I am now going to counselling and reading this back I can see that some of this was self-inflicted and that I don’t know how to be in a ‘good relationship’, that I ignored warning signs, and that I arrogantly thought I could be 'good' enough for the both of us. I sound awful and needy and ridiculous, it is truly shaming. In real life and in my relationships with friends and family I am a completely different person, confident, intelligent, independant, and I think that made it difficult to admit, and for anyone else to see. I hope that counselling can help me come to terms with it all and perhaps one day I might even have a functioning relationship with a man, though I can't imagine it now.

It has been therapeutic writing this and reading the stories of others. I hope this thread gives others the strength to get out of abusive relationships. And to see that even if they aren’t perfect themselves, or have made some stupid decisions which have got them to where they are (or think that they have - I am not blaming victims of abuse, but know that I feel that I am to blame, and am perhaps unworthy of anything better and so might others), that there is a way to get out of a bad relationship, and that you will be better when you do. Get help from wherever you can, make a plan and leave.

WoodenTrees · 26/04/2018 12:08

He was gorgeous. He was so incredibly intelligent and funny. I had a child and he seemed good with him. He appeared to listen. He was vulnerable, only he wasn't and everything he told me that had happened to him he is now saying about me. I did over 20 years and had more children with him, and oh so slowly I stopped seeing people, stopped going out, accepted that I was the one with difficulties and I wasn't understanding enough of his mental health problems and his ptsd and did all I could to keep everything on an even keel. Then our children got to their teens and I could see what he was doing, the gas lighting, the abuse, I saw it was happening to them although it took me another couple of years to realise it was happening to me too. I'm out now and it's such a relief.
I stayed because it was so insidious, everyone else could apparently see it, but I was convinced this gorgeous and clever man who had apparently saved me (he told me so, many times) was going to get better and earn a living and be there for me. So convinced I forgave emotional and physical affairs, drug use, and of course the emotional and abuse. I was stupid, manipulated and scared. Oh, I am an intelligent, university educated woman who at one point was loud, lively and extremely confident.

onanotherday · 26/04/2018 12:14

It took 20 years🙁...he was gorgeous..very intelligent.. funny.. and party animal pre kids... drunk later.

I excused all his EA and Unkindness.. controlling ... gaslighting and stonewalling down to stress in family.. work .. etc

Loved our kids but could never step up .. made me feel like I was the abuser..then he had a 'breakdown ' MH problems , drinking and behaviour started to escalate ..luckily for me he had an affair and left. Not that I felt that at the time.
He did me and dc's a huge favour.

We really struggle financially.. homeless and dcs & I had MH due to the trauma.

But now settled and getting better.. but l am in no hurry to look for another relationship... maybe one day.

ALittleBitConfused1 · 26/04/2018 12:15

I felt the shame too, I remember saying to the police, I'm not one of those women.
They looked at me and said you may not be but he is one of those men.
As I was having photos of injuries taken, as I was sitting giving my statement, as I was sitting in a dv refuge centre waiting for help I remember feeling such shame and embarrassment.
Now I realise my only crime was falling in love with a man who didn't deserve me. A damaged, messed up, nasty abusive man. Therapy has taught me that he made me a victim (with a bit of help from me) but all by myself I made me a survivor and his problems are just that, his problems.

onanotherday · 26/04/2018 12:16

Woodentree.. me too professional career and just didn't see it🙄 funny how everyone did once he'd gone!

sanpellegrino · 26/04/2018 12:16

Mine is nothing compared to some stories here, he was never physically violent.

  1. he was so charming and attentive. The relationship moved super fast, I fell head over heels and really thought he was the one.
  1. During the relationship, I never actually realised he was abusive. He was an expert manipulator and gas-lighter, and I was fully convinced that it was simply my fault, that I always did something wrong that upset him. Said somehing that made him ignore me; wasn't grateful enough for something he did, so he sulked the entire evening. All my behaviour, you see. And if I just managed to be better and not to make all those mistakes, surely it would be perfect again..

In matter of weeks my self esteem was destroyed and he had started alienating my friends - cleverly never saying anything direct that I can't see them, but complained that they don't like him and being grumpy and sulking every time we saw them. But I still though I was in a very happy relationship. Luckily, he got bored and dumped me. I don't even want to think about what could have happened otherwise. I'm sure he could have beat me up and convinced me it was stil all my own fault.

PartTimeProcrastinator · 26/04/2018 19:00
  1. made you attracted to this man in the first place? He was an older, attractive, charming and slightly arrogant man. I feel head over heels in love with him and was living with him within 2 months. At first he made me feel loved, treasured and valued.

  2. when you knew he was abusive why did you stay? It started so gradually. A bad moment from an otherwise wonderful man, there was always a reason for his outbursts. I gradually ended up in a position where it felt like my responsibility to control his anger. If I could just be good enough, attractive enough, less irritating then he wouldn't lose it. I thought I could change him. By the time I had our DC my self esteem was rock bottom, i was isolated from my family and friends and had no control financially.

I was stuck in a cycle of his obsessive need for sex multiple times per day. He made me believe that I was defective and broken for not meeting his sexual needs and at times there would only be a few hours between each outburst, the choice between more sex or anger. I had just enough energy to keep going day to day and only coped by becoming completely numb. He treated by like an object, his possession to use as he saw fit and i felt utterly worthless. The effort it took to break out of that cycle was absolutely huge. I stayed because it took all my energy to survive.

2 years on I am still coming to terms with how abusive the relationship was and how horrifying some of the things that occurred during that relationship were. I have flashbacks that leave me completely numb, frozen with fear and sick. The numbness is wearing off and I'm now feeling some of the pain I didn't feel then.

As hard as its been I've found such strength since leaving. I can breath easier and I no longer live everyday in fear. Talking has helped me. Once I say things out loud it becomes more real and its harder to ignore.

Oneday5 · 26/04/2018 22:13

NutCase82
Thanks so much for your message.
I am going through a very similar thing. My husband has recorded me when he and I are arguing and he’s trying to make me look as bad as possible. He’s often pressed his nose up (cruelly referring to me looking like a pig) or waves his finger around his ear to signify I’m mental. I just wish I’d never got into such terrible states with him as he will now be trying to use this to gain custody of our child.

There is a lot on record with the police that he is an abuser but he is implying I’m an abuser too, I’m still to this day constantly questioning myself.

Thanks for sharing your story and it really relates to mine x

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NutCase82 · 26/04/2018 22:28

You're welcome. The best advice I can offer if you're still with him is something I seen on an American box set I watched at the start of the year.

Get your own place in secret

Make it a home

Leave when he tried to get you into an argument, don't engage, just walk out

You will feel so good with your own home to retreat to!

Good luck xx

Oneday5 · 26/04/2018 22:36

Wow PartTimeProcrastinator you are a strong and brave person and I am pleased you have found strength and support since leaving. You mention talking has helped you, something which I found difficult to do with my husband (he always said don’t tell people about private stuff) it really does help you though. Otherwise I’ve found wrong things you know are wrong are hidden and you begin to question yourself! Thanks for sharing your story x

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