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I am onit, hear me ROAR (occasionally)

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onitlikeacarbonnet · 02/04/2018 21:50

Thread no.5 Shock

Hope you all find me or I’ll just be talking to myself.

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PollyFlinderz · 20/10/2018 03:53

SIL was between a rock and a hard place and whilst being happy for Onit to be at the party she probably thought to herself - for obvious reasons, (he’s the Uncle) Onit will realise LCB will be here and she’ll just drop the kids off. I suspect she was probably surprised when Onit said she’d stay what with all things considered right now.

I think this is one of those situations where hurt feelings and anger are clouding the reality of it all - he’s the uncle, and neither SIL or Onit have felt any need for there to be any time spent together with the children since Christmas.

The conversation with the children was unfortunate and I would have just told them I’d forgotten a dental appt or something that day in order to avoid having the conversation and the turn it took. Id get no comfort from what DD said, it’s one of those situations where something I could have avoided happening in the first place worked out in my favor with regard to putting the boot in and I did it regardless.

Onit, I wouldn’t make much of the day and treat it as something I had to make myself feel better about. I’d in fact place no importance on it at all and carry on as normal. And I couldn’t be around LCB and his new circumstances either. I understand that completely.

Mix56 · 20/10/2018 07:27

Polly, I think in the ideal you are right, but onit is not a robot, she has IMHO acted heroically with the DC, & not let them see her hurt & heart.
Sometimes the DC discovering the murky waters is just a case of growing up.

PollyFlinderz · 20/10/2018 08:34

Polly, I think in the ideal you are right, but onit is not a robot, she has IMHO acted heroically with the DC, & not let them see her hurt & heart.

I don’t think that’s ever been denied. On the contrary I think it’s always acknowledged.

Sometimes the DC discovering the murky waters is just a case of growing up

Yes. But this wasn’t the time for it. And I think the wee girls answer was the kind of thing a child says without actually any thought or real meaning behind it.

Mix56 · 20/10/2018 09:01

OK, I don't think you get to choose the "time" when you are vulnerable & unprepared.

MsPavlichenko · 20/10/2018 16:21

Remember if you want to, you can have a relationship with your SIL or any other ILs. It is nothing to do with him, and tbh he doesn't need to know. Nothing to stop you arranging to pop in/ meet for a coffee sometime. You can still be friends if you choose.

Mix56 · 20/10/2018 16:30

& remember SIL will have been told his story

MsPavlichenko · 20/10/2018 17:47

DD may well have said it without any real thought as kids do. It doesn't make it any less true. And I don't agree that Onit should make stuff up or pretend to protect LCB. She doesn't need to slag him off of course but she is entitled to simply state the reality of the situation. The DC can and will make their own minds up.

Apileofballyhoo · 20/10/2018 18:17

Onit, maybe you could arrange to have DN visit you for an afternoon or something to make up for it. I wouldn't be able to stick it out at the party either. Flowers

onitlikeacarbonnet · 20/10/2018 18:43

I apologise in advance for the long post Blush

I had no reason to expect him to be at the party Polly. SIL lives 45 minutes from us and lcb has at least the same again to travel to get to his sisters. It was a five year olds party. Traditionally, gp’s have a birthday lunch for the whole family so the dcs parties are not attended by wider family. Last year dn’s party was on lcbs weekend and I didn’t attend. I doubt the 6 month old baby had an invite to this one. Mine are older, they have always spent time with dn at their gp’s and, before the split, at our house when MIL watched all dc and I also minded dn on a weekly basis (lcb would rarely see dn on these days) so they are close and so was I, once.
I’ve not seen them for ages because it’s difficult to find time when I have half the weekends I used to have.
I’m not making excuses. It’s just how it is. SIL is not the most organised and things tend to be last minute. 2 weeks notice for this party is about 10 days more than usual.
My excuse is I find it extremely difficult emotionally to initiate contact with lcbs family since the baby came and MIL ignored my attempts to make amends for letting my anger show on that day.
I’m not included anymore. Ow is. Especially now there’s a baby. I feel like they will feel awkward because I am forcing myself in where I’m not really wanted. I mean I’m a big reminder of the fact their golden boy is a shitebag. No one wants that. Least of all me.

I disagree that the chat I had with dd wasn’t necessary.
If I’d known he would be there, maybe. But I didn’t have a clue and was thrilled to be able to go. I was really sad when I thought I would have to miss it.

I had another email this morning saying if I wanted him to pick up the dc for the party, I’d need to let him know ASAP.
Obviously, I ignored it as I had the last one.
30 minutes later my SIL called to ask if I was planning on staying now I knew lcb would be there. I said for a bit to see dn but in the circumstances I’d not hang about.
She said lcb had told her he’d go later if I was staying so I agreed to that.
Off the phone the bf suggested I go, stay for an hour or so (2 hour party) and then suggest lcb bring the dc home. That way I’d get some jobs done and still get to see dn but avoid lcb.
I didn’t like the idea as it seemed too much like asking him for help. I said I’d drive through and see how I got on.
Party was ok. Dc has fun. I didn’t get much time to chat with SIL but did get a wee chat with dn (and big cuddles Smile). 2 hours passed very quick chatting to another mum.
Just about jumped in the air when the doorbell went. Wasn’t him but I put my coat on, told the dc to be ready to leave soon and tried not to run away.
Party moved to nearby park (officially finished already so I was on edge expecting lcb, ow and baby to appear) and I said I’d go for a bit but might wait in the car if it got too cold (or they turned up).
We eventually left an hour later and no sign of lcb.

I’m not sure he ever planned on going.
Probably another example of messing with my head.
Dc has fun. Lcb didn’t show face. It’s done.

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MsPavlichenko · 20/10/2018 19:13

Well done you. It may well be he is fucking with your head. Or simply trying to stop you going. But he hasn't done either. And as I said already I think you were right to say what you did to DD.

And re the ILs. Who knows what they all actually think. They will invite LCB, they will still love him. Doesn't mean they agree with all he has done. Your SIL did invite you to stay after all. It may be you can build your own relationship with her, or others going forward. Have a relaxing night!

PanamaPattie · 20/10/2018 21:51

Good for you for going to the party. I bet they didn't turn up because OW didn't want to see you.

onitlikeacarbonnet · 20/10/2018 22:40

He texted ds this evening and I suggested they call him as we were getting ready to go upstairs and it’s be quicker than ds trying to text back.
He didn’t ask about the party. Asked what they’d been up to since he saw them on Wednesday. Had they seen friends.
He asked what they were up to the next couple of days. Ds told him we’re visiting bf tomorrow.
Dd asked him why he didn’t go to the party. He replied “did mummy not tell you?” Dd said no. (I’ve no idea why he didn’t go when the last email he sent said he was going and SIL said he would be there at the end of the party). He replied that it just didn’t work out. That he was seeing dn tomorrow to give him his present. He asked if mummy had bought a gift and dd said we chose books and a card at the shop last week.
I had to stop from snorting very loudly. He’d dropped ds at his best friends birthday party last weekend and had not bought a gift or card. The mum is a good friend of mine and she was amazed that he allowed ds to show up empty handed (as was I; and I found myself apologising for him). I’m now certain that he had no intention of going today and the emails and getting SIL to call this morning when I didn’t respond were just to unsettle me.

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Mix56 · 21/10/2018 08:40

I reckon that flooze didn't have the balls to go.

As for LCB what a Tosser, Do you think he actually planned this scheme ? Has he nothing better to do with his time ?

AgathaF · 23/10/2018 11:22

I agree that ow probably wouldn't have wanted to go. I'm glad you went. What an idiot with his comment “did mummy not tell you?”.

onitlikeacarbonnet · 25/10/2018 01:21

Court reporter is coming back tomorrow.
I’m hoping I’ll be better prepared.
I’m going to focus on his abdication of parental responsibility with regards medication etc, his attitude that the dc and me have to make allowances/sacrifices for his choices to their/our detriment and his inability to accept consequences.
I will also reiterate the lies and omissions in his writ.
I have evidence of his missed contact, the safeguarding issues, the affair, his manipulative and unreasonable behaviour. I also have evidence of my own flexibility and reasonableness.

This last week or so has been hard at times. My fridge finally died along with my hoover.
Managed to get a new fridge but hoover will have to wait. Got DS’s birthday next month and Christmas and still have £600 to pay towards last months solicitors bill with another big one probably coming next month. Back to court in 2 weeks.
I want the world to stop spinning for a couple of days. Just so I can catch my breath. Please.

The bf might be able to do a repair job on the hoover to tide me over and says he’ll help me out at the Black Friday sales. I’d rather not if I can help it.
I’ve missed a couple of counselling sessions so I have some cash left from those missed sessions (counsellor cancelled).
In good news, me and dc has loads of fun making Halloween costumes on Tuesday. They had school parties tonight and dd won best costume in the lower school. We were all delighted Smile

Should maybe go to sleep now. Starting to find it difficult to get everything done these days. Like I’m wading through treacle. Maybe it’s the darker days. Not as cheery as I’d like to be and it’s not helping that I seem to be eating everything in site Sad.
But onwards.
I will KOKO.

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Mix56 · 25/10/2018 07:44

Onit, I hope once you 've seen the reporter that will take one weight off your shoulders. mention to reporter things like winning the halloween costume, it is 100% proof of what a hands on Parent you are.I Mean would LCB ever get glue/paint on his hands....
re hoover if BF can't fix it, may look 2nd hand ? recycle shop? craigs list ? facebook ?
Try not to fall back on food for comfort, (I know I know) putting weight back on will not help you

ASimpleLampoon · 26/10/2018 06:45

Good to hear you will get to speak to the reporter again. You have everything written down, did you say before? If you get flustered, maybe get the reporter to read your notes? I sometimes do this as I am much more concise on paper! A list of bullet points normally helps me when speaking.

I had my hearing. Husband and I tried and tried to sort thing out on the day, offered different schedules, all reasonable. Every time we agreed something they demanded more and the goalposts moved. At First they accepted my husband supervising, then they wanted contact at their home, then unsupervised contact at their home. We had to move from direct mediation to shuttle mediation as they talked over me. They have attacked my character and labelled me mentally unstable. They know they have more money than we do, and are pushing it all the way egged on by their barrister. I do not know what I have done to deserve so much hatred from my own parents. I try to remind myself that this is them and nothing to do with me but it's so hard. I feel helpless.

Mix56 · 26/10/2018 07:48

Lampoon, unbelievably weighted in view of the finances, how old are the DC ?

AgathaF · 26/10/2018 11:35

Outrageous Lampoon. I can't imagine how angry and upset you must feel.

ASimpleLampoon · 27/10/2018 20:25

6 and 8 Mix, 8 year old is autistic (and I am possibly too though no formal Dx)

Any news from the reporter, Onit, I hope it went well and you managed to say everything you had to say. hope you've managed to catch some sleep,

RedTulip86 · 27/10/2018 22:05

Onit, following your threads, kudos to you for getting on with your life, hope your ex shits a hedgehogs everytime.

Hoover- we just got refurbished one from ebay, fridge- local fb is your friend (Tight budget here)

Sending all the strength to you 💐💐💐

onitlikeacarbonnet · 29/10/2018 09:15

Hi all
Sorry I’m not keeping up at the moment. Life is chaotic and my plates are just about spinning but I’ve let a few smash which aren’t life sustaining. My own sanity is precarious because I’ve no time for self care at all really. I manage to watch a bit of trashy tv occasionally or have a bath but the good stuff of getting this all out is not happening. And it’s taking its toll sadly.

Anyway, back to what has been happening.
Court reporter went ok. He first told me about what the dc had been like and what they’d said when he saw them at school. He told me pretty much what they’d already said to me but added what lovely dc they were. That they loved me, and their dad. That they were very loyal, to us both.
He said he’d seen them at their dads and, though he wasn’t sure if it would help me or not, the dc get on well there and with ow.
I said I didn’t doubt that they did. I used to like her before she had an affair with my husband.
He said the dc didn’t really want to say anything about what they wanted. Ds especially said he didn’t want to upset dad or mum. That he wanted him (the reporter) to decide what should happen and he didn’t want to be responsible.
The only thing the reporter said he was adamant about was not going to his dads from school on a Friday because that’s when he sees his friends. The reporter said he would definitely be putting that in his recommendations.

He wanted to be quite specific and asked about after school contact first. Were they working?
I explained about what has been happening with DD’s club and how they are dropped off at 5 now instead of 6.
I agreed that Mondays weren’t working and were disruptive. But I said that though the other after school day was ok at present, as soon as one of the dc progress in their activity, it will make it difficult and lcb has shown he can’t deal with this without help from me.
He asked again about school night overnights with lcb and I said it was still ridiculous. That no one I had spoken to about it could see any benefits for it. I rhymed off a list of reasons why it was a bad idea and when I stopped for breath he smiled and said it was obvious I was dead against it.
He asked, but qualified it by saying it wasn’t a proposal just a question, if he were to be granted an overnight, what would be the best day for me.
I thought about it and said neither. I said I couldn’t think of why I’d agree to it. He suggested a Sunday night might be the best option for me as it would only be every fortnight and I said yes, but it’s not the best for them.
He asked about the time it had happened by accident. The snow day. And I said I was so angry at how the LA had handled it that I had spoken to the HT, the head of education at the council and my mp, because I knew that this precedent was set and that this would be the fallout. And I was right.
I explained what had happened and that I’d let him keep the dc that night because it was the best solution for them ON THAT DAY.
He asked about holiday contact and I said longer holiday contact was ludicrous. That out of 52 days in the summer holidays he’d seen them 24 and he was still demanding more.
They need to be here where their friends are and that if he gets a week or so in summer and longer weekends in the rest of the holidays, that is more than sufficient.
We got onto the subject of money and I told him this court case has left me with no savings and he seemed surprised that I wasn’t getting LA. I said I’d had an inheritance from my dad and it had now all gone. That it was supposed to be for Christmases and holidays for the dc.
He said lcb was also presumably paying privately and I said I assumed so as he earne nearly 10 times my salary and then the court reporter added, and he has a second income from his gf.
He asked if I therefore wanted a swift conclusion and I said absolutely. But only if that means my dc are considered properly. That I would spend it all again to get what’s best for them in this.
I explained that this action was brought by lcb because I wouldn’t do what he said. He didn’t like to be told no or have his demands questioned. That he still expected me (and the dc) to make allowances for him and his circumstances. That he was the only one making choices about his lifestyle here and we were all just being dragged along for the ride, for good or bad, and he was incapable of seeing anyone else’s POV.

I didn’t get to show the messages, but I alluded to and implied emotional and financial abuse and manipulation of both me and the dc.

Court is a week today. The report should go the lawyers before then so I’ll see it in a few days probably. I don’t know what to think. Or what he will recommend to the sheriff. I guess it’ll depend if lcb managed to charm him. He obviously didn’t charm the sheriff but the reporter has only met him on his own turf. And he’s so good at being likeable. And I bet he cried with him too.
I’m not so good at being likeable. I just want what is best for my dc. And I told him that. He said it must be difficult to lose control over the dc and I said that wasn’t it at all. That obviously I’m passionate about what I believe to be right for them but if the court decided that there’s a better solution, I will accept it because it’s what’s best for the dc that matters. The court has more experience than I do. And it’s not about what I want.

I am so stressed about it. And more has happened with lcb since. But this is an epic post so I’ll leave that till later.
I need to get on. Counselling today will be hard. I feel like an hour a week is not enough and I’ve no other outlet for this at the moment.
The bf has been amazing but I don’t want to tarnish our time talking about lcb.

Hope you all got through this ok. I’ll check back through the day to see your thoughts but might not be able to answer much till later on.

Sorry if I’ve kept you back Blush

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onitlikeacarbonnet · 29/10/2018 09:16

Omg that so long! Sorry BlushBlushBlush

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PollyFlinderz · 29/10/2018 09:32

Onit, I think he asked difficult questions because he wanted to see how rational you were when answering them. He wanted to hear well thought out reasons as to what’s in the children’s best interests and you did that magnificently.

ThinkOfAWittyNameLater · 29/10/2018 10:00

Brava!

You've done a brilliant job demonstrating how much you think things through, how passionate you are about putting the kid's needs first, and how you are willing to co-parent with lcb as long as it's in their best interests.

I hope you have a good (if tough) counselling session today. And fingers crossed the report comes back soon.

Well done you 

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