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Is this just what I deserve?

182 replies

lessthanwise · 06/01/2018 12:31

Please bear with me, I'm trying to cut a long story short: I had an affair with a younger man from work (11 years younger). At the time we were both married; his wife found out about it and we decided to end the affair. However, they still ended up separating (about 18 months ago) and somehow he and I ended up sleeping together again on and off even though I was still married. This is all done now so I don't need to be told how wrong it is. Anyway, whilst I was still with my husband I found out that I was pregnant with the other mans child. Obviously I had no choice but to confess what had happened to my husband and he and I separated. Since then the younger man and myself have tried to take things slowly but make things work (in so far as one can take things slowly on a 9 month deadline). I moved in shortly before Xmas and thought things were going well. Of course the situation is less than ideal but I thought we had made the best of it. Here's the problem. Due to being so heavily pregnant (I'm due this month) I'm usually in bed significantly earlier than he is (around 9 or 10pm). One night last week I woke up at 1am to use the loo and he still wasn't in bed so I went downstairs to see where he was (I thought maybe he'd fallen asleep on the sofa) and he was just sat on his phone. After he'd come to bed and fallen asleep I decided to snoop to see what he'd been doing that was so absorbing until 1am and he had been texting someone else. Another woman. There were so many messages going back to before we'd even gotten together so I couldn't read them all. They seem to talk all the time but he's never mentioned her to me and they seem to only talk when I'm not around. Some of the messages I scrolled through were just friendly chat, some were quite personal messages about me and about our situation and some were quite sexual. Well, very sexual. From what I've read they haven't slept together; this woman is often talking about how I've trapped him and he's ruined his life and how she wishes they could "fuck", that sort of thing. He replies saying he can't change the situation now as much as he wishes he could, he's "stuck" with me but that he does want to make it work for the sake of the baby, she'll just have to imagine he's there. Then it usually ends up with the very sexual talk about what they would do if things were different. I was reading the messages and they had sexual conversations (to varying degrees) most nights last week (which is when this happened). I don't know what to do. I tried to talk to one of my close friends and her attitude seemed to be along the lines of "well, what do you expect?". She talked about how we barely knew each other when I got pregnant and that this is what I should have expected from a relationship that started out with two people cheating and other really hurtful things that I totally didn't expect from a good friend. I know that affairs are bad, but do I deserve this? I thought we had just fallen in love at the wrong time. I know people got hurt along the way... I haven't discussed it with him yet because I just don't know what to say, where to begin or what the outcome would/should be. I'm about to give birth and I don't want to do it alone, I don't want to leave him but I can't just leave it and let him stay up late sexting this other woman! I feel like I don't have the energy to confront the situation right now. I just want it to all go away. I've been tearful and emotional a few times this week but I keep telling him it's just pregnancy hormones and nerves and I'm not feeling well etc. A part of me does feel like I deserve this... What can I do?

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AnyFucker · 06/01/2018 18:34

You say "horny" a lot. Like him being "horny" is an unstoppable force that excuses everything.

You do understand that the whole of life does not revolve around sex ?

Wherearemymarbles · 06/01/2018 18:35

No relationship can survive without communication, trust and boundaries.

You have to talk to him. And maybe worth asking if he has threesomes in mind for you as well.

Good luck.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 06/01/2018 18:37

No relationship can survive without communication, trust and boundaries.

Well the relationship was started on the complete opposite of that.

Graphista · 06/01/2018 18:37

Wow! I'm amazed HE didn't ask if you're sure it's his baby! What contraception if any were you using? Even if you and your husband were trying for years without success it could still happen. Have you had thorough sti testing for the sake of the baby?

Regarding your current relationship would you want to be with him if you weren't pregnant?

He doesn't exactly sound loyal or reliable. But then neither do you in terms of relationships.

Seems you'd be better off without him.

My ex got the ow pregnant, complained to me about it 🙄 (His own fault not using contraceptives). They now have 5 DC - and he cheats repeatedly including with supposed friends and relatives of hers.

People are who they are, I'm 45 in my experience who people are at their core doesn't change.

MiddleClassProblem · 06/01/2018 18:39

To me, you last post reads like this:

You didn’t rate yourself enough for this younger guy to go for you
When he did it was flattering
When he fell in love you weren’t sure but went with it because maybe you felt you should as you were in this “fortunate” position of this attractive younger man fancying you and surely someday you would feel the same.
Now perhaps you do.
He has sexual experiences and desires to experiment more than you.
You feel you should be going along with this in the future.

What do you actually want?

YellowMakesMeSmile · 06/01/2018 18:45

So you wanted a child, your husband couldn't provide one so you had one with someone you barely knew?

The chances of this lasting are slim to none.

Thinkingofausername1 · 06/01/2018 18:45

Oh dear. Once a cheat always a cheat...

JustHereForThePooStories · 06/01/2018 18:45

OP, what’s happened in your life that you’re willing to settle for this?

lasketchup · 06/01/2018 18:50

It’s not “what you deserve”, no, but it is karma. What did you expect? If he cheats with you, he’ll cheat on you.

However you don’t have to put up with it. This isn’t where your story ends so make a new ending and
do what’s best for you and your baby op.

As a side note, what we (as readers) deserve is paragraphs!

PNGirl · 06/01/2018 18:51

Oh my god. This has about as much chance of working out as I do of being the next POTUS.

Why do you not care if he wants to shag someone else and has told her so? God this is sordid. I hope it does work out, if only so you aren't inflicting yourselves on two future partners.

Silvereyes · 06/01/2018 18:51

You ‘somehow ended up sleeping together’?

Your friend is right.

Lashalicious · 06/01/2018 18:53

This is not sounding good....he simply doesn’t sound like a good person. I don’t know why you want to be with him. I don’t know why you don’t want to be a person of integrity....having trouble understanding your mindset.

However, you can make a fresh start with your child and decide to make a change toward a life you can be proud of. I hope you do, good luck and enjoy the happiness your child will bring.

Willswife · 06/01/2018 19:07

I think your friend is a good friend as she's prepared to be honest with you.

There was another thread on here yesterday posted by the OW, worth a read. You've created a vacancy, he may not have physically cheated (yet) but he's already acting inappropriately and you haven't even given birth yet.

So many people that have affairs seem to think that it's different for them, that it's true love, rather than the deceitful act that it really is. Maybe people think it in order to make them feel better about their actions. I know someone who talked as though her and her affair were star crossed lovers that just hadn't met before they married others. They both left their respective partners and he cheated on her within 2 months!

I hope your birth goes well and that you find happiness alone, you already know that this relationship isn't salvageable.

QuiteLikely5 · 06/01/2018 19:20

This ain’t love. That is all.

WitchesHatRim · 06/01/2018 19:35

So you wanted a child, your husband couldn't provide one so you had one with someone you barely knew?

Good point.

I feel extremely sorry for your exH

SandyY2K · 06/01/2018 19:36

I can't see this relationship lasting tbh. He probably would have preferred to do lots of dating as a single man .. but you got back with him..then pregnancy.

This OW is chasing him the way you did...now you see it's not a nice thing to do. The shoe is on the other foot now.

Your friend was just being honest. You have a guy who cheated on his wife...despite not threesome sex ... what makes you think you'll be able to keep him...especially in a few years with the age gap.

I'm just trying to be realistic... I'm assuming his wife was his age group... you flirted with no respect for his marriage.

He's having an emotional affair. You won't get long term fidelity from this guy ... he'll get bored when you're busy with the baby.

At least your old enough and financially able to go it alone if necessary.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 06/01/2018 19:45

OP I understand you're desperate to save face but this is not a relationship that's going to last.

You quite rightly do not trust this man, which is why you snooped, and what you found confirms you won't ever be able to do so. The fact that he is sexting this woman (who presumably he was shagging before you dropped the the pregnancy bomb) less than a month after you moved in and when you're about to give birth demonstrates utter contempt for you. And if he cheated on his innocent wife, the one he loved enough to marry, do you really think he'd have any compunction about betraying you? Would your objections have any credibility?

From your last post it seems there's an implicit threat he'll lose interest if you don't provide constant sexual novelty. Are you aware that many women completely go off sex after birth because they're exhausted, depressed, touched out, and that it can take many months to recover your libido? How would he respond to that? Also, if you're 41 you're likely to hit perimenopause pretty soon, which is another hormonal upheaval.

You're about to go through something that leaves most women feeling highly vulnerable and in need of reassurance. Do you really feel able to rely on him?

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 06/01/2018 19:50

I mean, perhaps he really hasn't considered that this is actually not great behaviour? OP, listen to yourself. He's nearly 30 and has already lost one marriage through cheating. Of course he knows it's not good behaviour. He doesn't care.

stardust18 · 06/01/2018 19:53

I think you need to have it out with him. Your having a baby soon you don't need this shit.
Don't mean to sound harsh but what goes around comes around.

lessthanwise · 06/01/2018 20:03

SchnitzelVonKrumm I think you are correct. I do love him and I enjoy spending time with him and I used to love our adventurous sex life and the new experiences he opened up to me (before I got very pregnant). He's not necessarily someone I would have envisaged spending the rest of my life with or raising a child with though.

I am glad I'm pregnant after everything I went through with my husband to have a baby but this isn't how I would have chosen to do it and he's not the man I would have chosen to do it with.

That being said I don't want to do it alone and I don't feel ready to give up on the relationship yet. I want him around. I want us to get back to being "us" again. I am sure he is very aware that the sex won't be the same for quite some time but that doesn't stop him wanting it.

I also don't feel he's hugely reliable which of course is something I feel I need at this stage... But it's not entirely his fault that we are in this situation. The pregnancy was a shock to him and not one he was particularly thrilled about either (yes we know how babies are made but after trying unsuccessfully to get pregnant for ten years and only having unprotected sex on two occasions during our affair we were both quite shocked).

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JustHereForThePooStories · 06/01/2018 20:07

My heart isn’t breaking a bit for your poor husband. Imagine trying for a baby with your wife for ten years and then having this happen.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 06/01/2018 20:09

I want us to get back to being "us" again I'm afraid your "us" sounds utterly incompatible with having a baby.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 06/01/2018 20:10

God, yes poor husband Sad

JustHereForThePooStories · 06/01/2018 20:11

Heart is breaking, that should say.

Poor man.

lessthanwise · 06/01/2018 20:12

"You didn’t rate yourself enough for this younger guy to go for you
When he did it was flattering
When he fell in love you weren’t sure but went with it because maybe you felt you should as you were in this “fortunate” position of this attractive younger man fancying you and surely someday you would feel the same.
Now perhaps you do.
He has sexual experiences and desires to experiment more than you.
You feel you should be going along with this in the future.
"

It's not that I didn't rate myself, it just didn't seem a realistic possibility. I'm a fairly attractive, intelligent and successful woman and I know that but we were both married and... I just didn't expect anything to happen if that makes sense? He's always been very adventurous and I wanted to experiment too. We've talked about it but it hasn't been very practical with the pregnancy. I feel like I've short changed him a bit but he's been really good about it. Or so I thought.

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