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Managed to shake of possessive annoying friend, now DH is saying we should send a Christmas card!

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apoppetonastring · 14/12/2017 22:12

Just that really!

We moved to this area some 3 years ago, (from 30 odd miles away) and another couple moved at the same time (a few weeks after us.)

We met them in the pub, and they seemed ok for a while, then got annoying very quickly. Nosey and irritating and moany. We found we had very little in common.

We were polite, and spoke to them when we saw them, and we would speak to them when they were at the pub, and we met at a couple of hobby groups. (We only went for the first 6 months we were here.)

But they kept over-stepping the mark; calling at our home unannounced, asking us to do stuff for them and give them lifts, and then moaning to others when we stopped answering their calls, and not answering the door.

So anyway, we finally managed to shake them, and they have not rang or texted us or 'popped in' since April/May! A couple of people we all know asked me in passing 'have you been in touch with them?' and I just said we have been too busy, and we really don't have that much in common, and we just sort of hung around when we first came here as we were both new, and now I have met lots more people, and so on....' People stopped asking about 3-4 months back.

It's such a relief to not have them texting and leaving messages, and I can go in the garden without worrying about them 'popping round.' DH agrees, as he was getting majorly irked with them too.

So anyway, we were writing our Christmas cards out yesterday, and DH said we should send them one! just so they know there's no hostility.... Confused

Am I being unreasonable to think we should NOT send one? We spent over a year trying to shake them off, and 7-8 months ago, they finally took the hint, and stopped bothering with us, and now DH wants to send them a flippin' Christmas card.

Does anyone think this is a bad/stupid idea? Confused

Surely it's sending mixed messages? I do NOT want these 2 people back in my life/our lives!

WWYD?

OP posts:
kalinkafoxtrot45 · 15/12/2017 20:12

What a twit he is! Noooo!

Olddear · 16/12/2017 07:37

Tell him if they send one you will send one back....but don't, obviously

dorislessingscat · 16/12/2017 08:02

I remember your previous threads. So pleased you have shaken them off. Under no circumstances send them a card!!!

daisychain01 · 16/12/2017 08:02

Really bad idea to write the card and ' pretend' to send it.

It panders to your DHs character flaw that he doesn't have the guts to say no to people who affected your life and happiness in the past. He's actually being mean by giving them a crumb of hope you want to reignite the non- friendship.

He needs to know that you don't find it acceptable that he wants to keep in touch and which words does he not understand about you not wanting them in your life Ever. Ever. Again.

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 12:27

Thanks everyone.

Yeah it has been a struggle shaking them off, especially as SHE kept mithering other people and asking them what is 'wrong' with me. (Because apparently I have 'not been myself!')

Like for instance, when I bumped into her (let's call her Sue,) on the Aldi car park (around April this year,) which is 2 minutes walk from the doctor's surgery, she tried to strike up a conversation. I said 'I'll have to go I have a doctor's appointment (which I did.) 'Oh,' she said, 'shall I come with you and wait with you?' I said 'errr no, coz I need to speak to the receptionist about something personal.' 'It's OK I won't listen' she said (grinning.) 'Err, no sorry, I need to go the loo as well as I have a bad tummy, so I will see you around.' Then I bolted. A similar thing happened a week later when I was in town and was meeting my husband who had been at the dentist. 'Can't stop,' I said.

And when she has seen me in passing she has said 'we will have to go for a meal, when are you free?' 'Oh, I think we are really busy for ages now,' I said.

Then out of the blue, (around mid May,) another friend of mine who lives down the road, (who knows her too,) called me randomly for a 'chat' to see if I was OK. 'Yeah I am fine' I said 'why?' She didn't say much and just said 'oh just making sure everything's fine.'

Then after a few minutes of chatting, she said 'Sue said she hasn't seen you for ages... is everything ok with you and her?' And I said 'I don't know what she's on about, I saw her on Monday on Aldi car park and had a chat with her then, AND me and my husband saw her and her husband the week before outside Boots in the high street and chatted for a short while, five minutes or so.' (which we did - just to be polite, like we would with anyone we know...) 'Oh, said the woman, she never said that, she said she hadn't seen you for ages...' I just changed the subject then.

Then some weeks later, this woman asked me round her house for a coffee (she rang me,) and I said 'yes ok thanks.' Then she said 'shall I ask Sue as well?' Confused I actually said 'maybe next time? It would be nice to just have a chat to you; I haven't had a good chat to you for ages.' 'Umm, ok then,' she said. I'm not gonna lie, I was royally pissed off about this; I thought 'why the F is 'Sue' even being mentioned?!

Then when I went round, after about half hour of chatting, she proceeded to ask me if I ever go to Sue's house anymore. I thought FUCK THIS, I am going to put this to bed right now! ... I said 'no, and I never did really... It's just that we moved here at roughly the same time in 2014 - (me a few weeks before,) and she kind of latched onto me, as I was new too, and she asked us out to the pub (with our husbands,) and for a meal a couple of times, and we went to be polite, and because we were new. But after a while, me and my husband met other people and sort of drifted from them a bit. Nothing personal, we just don't have anything in common really, and there's quite long silences sometimes, and we feel they may be better off making new friends....'

The woman looked wide eyed and said 'ohhhh, well yeah it happens I guess..... I mixed with a few people when I moved here, who were also new, and didn't stay in touch much when I met other people...'

So she seemed to understand and hasn't asked since. and 'SUE' has not called or texted since. RESULT.

However, I was really pissed off at being 'grilled' and asked why I have not been bothering with 'Sue' as much. I am a middle aged woman and don't need to be grilled, or asked, or told I need to contact someone more!

Me and my husband have seen Sue and her husband a few times since (in town,) and have been polite and said hello, but since I told this woman what I told her (when I went for a coffee,) Sue has finally stopped saying 'come for a meal' and 'when shall we meet up?' (So I don't know if the woman told her what I said, or gave her a polite, edited version of it!!!) And although she did walk past our house and stare in 3 or 4 times though July/August (in the hope of 'catching' us probably!) she hasn't bothered us since. (THANK FUCK!)

But yeah, I agree; as you all say, sending a Christmas card is sending out mixed messages. This woman made my life miserable badgering me, hounding me, asking me to take her places, badgering my husband to do stuff for her and her husband, and not responding when I didn't give her an answer she wanted, and just being a bloody nightmare.

For example, she would text 'We are just coming for a walk - we will pop in and see you in about 10 minutes.' 'No don't please,' I texted back 'as my hubby is a bit unwell and he needs some sleep as he has along day at work tomorrow.'

Now most normal people would text back and say 'oh, I hope he is feeling well soon. Maybe another time.' But she sent NOTHING back. Because I wasn't saying what she wanted to hear, she didn't respond (to show how annoyed and offended she was!)

Some people might say my text back didn't 'require' a response. But that is not the point; it would have been POLITE to acknowledge it. It's called conversation. If someone said to me 'it's freezing out there,' technically that is a statement and doesn't require a response, but it's bloody rude to not respond. Just say 'yeah it is bloomin' cold!'

She should have answered, with 'Hope he is ok,' and I would have replied with 'yeah thanks see you...' IMO anyway!

Anyway, earlier in the year, when she texted me a few times, I stopped answering her at ALL. I thought 'well you don't answer me most of the time, unless I am saying what you want to hear.... so fuck ya!'

When she saw me a week after she texted once (earlier in the year,) she said 'did you not get my text from the other day?' I said 'yes I did, but I thought I would wait to see you to give you an answer, because I wasn't sure if you would get my text, as there are quite a few I have sent you that you haven't responded to; so I assume you are not getting some of my texts.' She just looked a bit Hmm ... but what could she say to that? Nothing!

But yeah, the original point of my post is still not resolved, but my husband hasn't mentioned it since. I am just really worried that if I say 'I am NOT sending them a card,' he will sneakily write one and pop it round. Confused I have no idea WHY, because he couldn't stand them, so why the F does he want to send them a damn card?! When I said 'WHYYYY? Why do you wanna send them a card?' he said 'to show there is no hostility!' But we are showing that by saying hello when we bump into them in town. Why the F do we need to send a Christmas card? No fucking way are they getting one.

My husband confuses me; he found them irksome and annoying, and rude and obnoxious, like I did.. I mean, they were always late, they were self absorbed, and they were a pest, and he seemed to be as glad to be rid of them as I was.

Sorry for this uber long post. Feels good to get it all out. thanks for listening. Smile

OP posts:
RestingBitchFaced · 16/12/2017 12:44

DO NOT send them a card! Show DH this thread

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 16/12/2017 12:50

You could send them a card and accidentally include a Round Robin newsletter that mentions to your "real" friends what a relief it was to shake off Sue and Tony...
Grin

sonjadog · 16/12/2017 12:57

Oh I remember these people now! Your DH is mad. Sit him down and tell him if he sends a card then they will be at the door again, texting again, calling him up. And is that what he wants?!

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 13:05

Well exactly! It isn't what he wants! So why does he wanna send them a Christmas card?

I know on several occasions (in the past,) they would text to pester him to come round and sort something out, (eg, change a plug for them!) and I would message back and say 'he is busy, cannot come round sorry, ask someone else,'' and she would ignore my text obviously. Then my husband would sigh and say 'I may as well go and do it, to shut them up!' And I would be like 'nooooooo.' Blush

It was like some kind of bizarre people pleasing. And because he would 'just pop round and do it to get it over with,' it blurred the lines and sent them mixed messages....' So in the end, I stopped telling him they had messaged.

He couldn't STAND them, so why he kept doing this just baffled me. (Like it's baffling me why he wants to send them a Christmas card..) 'To show there is no hostility' makes no sense.... as I said, we say 'hi' when we see them, so surely THAT is a sign there is 'no hostility.'

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BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 16/12/2017 13:11

Don't let him write the card.
He'll only write that thing we ALL put in cards about "we must get together in the new year" !!!!!

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 13:30

LOL @breakfastatsquiffanys

Sounds about right!

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PyongyangKipperbang · 16/12/2017 13:57

He doesnt like the thought of people not liking him. So that would be why he did hte jobs because he didnt like to think that they didnt like him anymore on the back of a refusal.

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 14:05

Could be that @pyong, but I don't get it as he really dislikes them!

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Wingedharpy · 16/12/2017 17:20

You are most definitely right OP.
"To show them there is no hostility", is not really true is it? ...because there is.
Hostility can be defined as "showing or feeling opposition or dislike. Unfriendly".
Given that DH says he can't stand them, ask him what would he call that if not hostility?
He has scuppered his own argument.
Do not send a card, even if they send you one.

daisychain01 · 16/12/2017 19:01

Your problem is your DH if, after everything you've recounted on here he has the emotional,intelligence of a gnat to sneakily write his own Christmas card dispute you saying clearly you don't want that.

If he resolutely refuses to take on board your reasonable request about this non-trivial issue then I feel sorry for you being married to someone like that.

Honestly OP if my DH had witnessed what you have with these weirdos, he certainly wouldn't be adding fuel to the fire by getting back in touch. He'd be supporting me and my happiness, not random people who are a pain in the backside.

daisychain01 · 16/12/2017 19:01

despite

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 20:20

@wingedharpy

You are most definitely right OP.

"To show them there is no hostility", is not really true is it? ...because there is........Hostility can be defined as "showing or feeling opposition or dislike. Unfriendly".

Given that DH says he can't stand them, ask him what would he call that if not hostility?

He has scuppered his own argument.

Well exactly! We have not been horrible or nasty or unkind, but yeah my husband (and I) have not answered any texts, we rush off as quick as we can when we see them, and we have not accepted any offers to go out with them, or go for a meal etc. So as you say, we have already been kind of 'hostile' anyway! So his 'argument' holds no water really.

Do not send a card, even if they send you one.

Not going to. Smile

As I said, I do worry if I say 'NO' to sending them one, he will write one anyway. Don't know why he has a bee in his bonnet about sending one; it's so odd!

If I say 'hmmm yeah ok then' and pretend I have written one out, he will think they have had one, and forget about it. Just hope we don't bump into them, coz he might ask if they got the card ok........ 🤨

@daisychain01

Your problem is your DH if, after everything you've recounted on here he has the emotional,intelligence of a gnat to sneakily write his own Christmas card dispute you saying clearly you don't want that.

Hmm yeah good point. Don't know what is wrong with him!

If he resolutely refuses to take on board your reasonable request about this non-trivial issue then I feel sorry for you being married to someone like that.

Honestly OP if my DH had witnessed what you have with these weirdos, he certainly wouldn't be adding fuel to the fire by getting back in touch. He'd be supporting me and my happiness, not random people who are a pain in the backside.

To be honest, he is a good husband and does support me and we have a good marriage, so I can't understand why he is being so weird about this. As I said, he cannot stand them.

When we arranged to meet them last Christmas (their idea to meet!) her husband didn't turn up! They are always late anyway, and he didn't turn up half the time, so when he didn't turn up the last time, my husband said he is never going out with them again. I had already made my mind up too, that I was never going out with them again.

Weirdly, a couple of months later, he said 'did you see Sue at 'the hobby group?' I said 'no.' Then he said 'if we go out with them again, we are going to be half an hour late; I am sick of getting there early when they always late.'

I was like Confused

I said 'but we collectively decided that we are not going out with them again - ever. You were fuming when he didn't turn up when we arranged to meet 3 days before Christmas.' 'Yeah, well I am just saying,' he said!

So it's like he says stuff and means it, then sort of goes back on it. I said 'YOU can go out with them if you want, but I fucking ain't!' Hmm

He just looks like Confused

And now this. 'Make sure you write Sue and her husband a card out..... So they know there's no hostility.' Confused

As the first poster I quoted said, we have shown a fair amount of hostility this year already, so WTF?!

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MrsExpo · 16/12/2017 20:23

Do you deliver your cards personally? Why not write a card and then say you’re off to the post office to post them, but somehow mislay the offending card on the way. Or, as someone has said, head off in their direction on your delivery outing but then go elsewhere (I assume they don’t live on your street!!). Whatever tactic you employ. Do NOT send them a card.

sonjadog · 16/12/2017 20:31

I suggest you tell him you have sent a card. And then don't.

Angelf1sh · 16/12/2017 20:36

For heaven’s sake don’t send them a card and don’t pretend to either! Your husband isn’t a child and doesn’t need to be humoured. Explain to him that if you send a card one of two things is going to happen 1) they will think you want to be friends again and will start dropping by. That will annoy you (you and DH) both and you’ll have to shake them off again. When you start ghosting them again it could easily upset the couple- basically it’s cruel to send them a card and then immediately drop them. 2) they will do nothing at all because they now don’t like you because you told people you didn’t really like them and made that pretty clear to her face. So your DH will realise that there is in fact hostility, it’s just that it’s coming from their side. This will probably upset your DH as presumably he’s feeling a bit guilty about things and he’ll feel more guilty when he realises how upset they are.

Either way its not a good thing to have happen over Christmas. Tell him you’re not sending a card and ask him not to do anything silly like send one behind your back. If you see them in the street of course you’ll wish them happy Christmas and that ought to be sufficient.

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 20:55

Yes we do take the cards personally (and pop them in the letterboxes,) of people in the neighbourhood, so i could pretend to just take it.

Re @Angelf1sh, I agree with everything you say (about how effing stupid it is to send a card,) as we will either have them banging our door on Christmas morning, wanting to 'pop in' for a sherry, OR they will think WTF game are these 2 playing at?'

I didn't say we don't like them by the way (to the woman I had coffee with,) I just said we have nothing in common really, and only kind of went out with them a few times to be polite.

I got sick of being grilled and asked why I 'hadn't been in touch with her.' So I thought I would set the record straight, and say I (and my husband) don't really have anything in common with them, and there are long silences in the conversations, and they may be better finding more friends, rather than relying on us, as we are spending more time with new friends now.

I don't even care if they are offended (if the woman told them) because at least that means they won't bother us again! If I had told the woman the 'truth' (that they are fucking annoying, obnoxious twats who we dislike,) she would have tried to 'fix' things IYSWIM. She was already attempting to 'get me and Sue together' by saying 'shall I ask Sue?' when she asked me round for coffee.

But why the HELL my husband wants to send a fucking Christmas card just eludes me!!! Confused

Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to pretend I am taking one to them, as half an hour ago (when I said I am taking the neighbours cards round later,) he reminded me to write one for them. Confused

(They live 10 minutes walk from us.)

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RandomMess · 16/12/2017 21:48

I remember your original threads, DH - is he on glue???

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 21:51

@randommess

LOL, I think he must be!

Glad it's not just me who thinks he is nuts! Grin

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daisychain01 · 16/12/2017 21:59

apoppet you sound like a lovely person, thoughtful and putting effort into your friendships but they are just way too flakey to appreciate a proper friendship when they have one.

Sounds like you have plenty of other friendships to enrich your life, so might be an idea to continue being extremely busy for about the next 30 years at least Grin

apoppetonastring · 16/12/2017 22:57

@daisychain01

apoppet you sound like a lovely person, thoughtful and putting effort into your friendships but they are just way too flakey to appreciate a proper friendship when they have one.

Sounds like you have plenty of other friendships to enrich your life, so might be an idea to continue being extremely busy for about the next 30 years at least Grin

Awww, thanks daisy! Smile

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