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My Husband has been Disinherited. Devastated for him.

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nursy1 · 22/11/2017 01:59

Of course there is a back story to this. His family was fairly dysfunctional, 5 kids in all. He is dyslexic but diagnosed as an adult, all through his childhood his father told him he was lazy, didn’t work hard enough at school, would never amount to anything. It culminated in him being thrown out when he was 17 after he had chosen to do an engineering apprenticeship rather than anything acedemic.
Now FIL is in his 90s, suffering from heart failure and Parkinson’s, bed bound and in the care of his eldest daughter. (DH Mum died 12 years ago) He lives next door to her I n a bungalow which she half owns with him. He pays her his carers allowance.
He lives a 4 hour drive away from us. Dh visited him at the weekend. He was very agitated, calmed down eventually. As he left, daughter came around to car to say that as her DH house was going straight to his kids she would be left with nothing and would have no income once FIL died. In the light of this he had changed his will.
DH discovered from his brother subsequently that he is to be disinherited and his share given to eldest sister as we are “well off” and didn’t come to visit him enough.
My husband is devastated. We are only well off because he has worked like a dog 50 - 60 hour weeks for 35 years or more. Never had much time for visiting then but he has seen him 4 times in the past year. He also took him on a week long holiday to Cornwall where he spent his honeymoon. He has been blocked many times from visiting by eldest daughter as, according to he4 “ Dads not up to it” . DH has a good pension we saved hard for and I have a pension as well which will start later this year. We have a small mortgage on our house. And six kids between us. We are not wealthy, only comfortable on a budget I would say. His other younger siblings will be much the same by the time they are our age. The eldest sibling has made a number of crazy decisions in her life and was an alcoholic for some years. However, she drives a Mercedes and is not short of money.
It’s not the money so much as it is bringing back the terrible feelings of rejection he had all those years ago. He hasn’t slept and is on the verge of tears when we speak about it.
I am fuming and at times if I’m honest that’s not helping. I want to confront them but DH worried it will kill his frail Dad and would rather challenge the will after his death
Anyone any experience of similar. What helped?

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Viviennemary · 23/11/2017 19:41

Sorry but I think the whole business is totally out of order. It's taking advantage of a frail old man and coercing and guilt tripping him into changing a will. I doubt that this is even legal. He should call the police and have the lot of you forcibly removed, get a restraining order and disinherit you all. What a bunch of vultures.

christmaswreaths · 23/11/2017 19:52

There are many tragic aspects to this situation, but a family reunion with an old man to fight over his will whilst still alive is frankly grotesque.

CherryZee · 23/11/2017 20:11

Outcome is they are all going to FIL House in a couple of weeks when bil has planned a visit to discuss

If I knew where he lived I'd tip him the wink so he can get some security on the door. Who the hell do these people think they are!!??
This elderly man is under no obligation to explain himself to anybody!

If there was no money or property involved, this wouldn't be happening. So it 'is' all about the money.

TempletonTreeThorpe · 23/11/2017 20:13

If the siblings want to deviate from their fathers wishes on his death why not do a deed of variation of the will, y’know...once he’s actually dead...

nursy1 · 25/11/2017 20:00

I hate threads where you never find out what happened in th3 end so update.
Not sure what a deed of variation is treethorpe but looked it up. That would have been an option but comes a bit late. The “conversation” has taken place by Conf Call.
What’s come out is that although sil does not inherit her husbands house, if he dies first she is allowed to stay in the house until she dies before the kids inherit. FIL then says
“ oh you didn’t tell me that”. Then asks sil “ Why didn’t you pay off your part of the mortgage with the money you inherited from Mum?”
She then cries and says she is hopeless with money and tells him that if her DH dies first she can not afford to pay the bills on her own so still needs more money. DH says to her
“but you could sell Dads bungalow and use that money to buy a smaller house or Use it to supplement your income” she argues she would then have nothing to leave her kids and didn’t want to move House, much tears.
At this point the siblings say fair enough, have more but we will ALL have to contribute to you, not just my DH because to single him and nc sil is cruel - a kind of ranking of the siblings!
So, the outcome is, that’s the way it’s going to be! With FIL and all in agreement. As nc sil is now included doesn’t make much difference to the final amount.
All seem ok with this but DH still upset that FIL thought this was an ok way to do things. I think 90% of the damage has been done.
I can see why I have received some censure on this. The situation is a lot more complex in a dysfunctional family than is easy to explain on here in easy sound bites, lots being dug up and swirling around in the background. Additionally, some seem not to thoroughly read what has been posted and just pounce on a sentence or two that fits their own narrative.
The talking, I think really helped all and I’m pleased that DH had chance to say his piece. Would have been far worse for him if this had all come out at the will reading and would have really caused lasting damage. This way, it’s been dissipated as much as possible although an uncomfortable conversation. FIL said to DH it wasn’t because he cared for him less but thought he was actually wealthier than his siblings because he had expectations from MY father! That’s new! My Dad is moderately well off I guess but has dementia so probably not leaving much in the end!

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SecretSmellies · 25/11/2017 20:33

So pleased to read the update, OP. You sound more relaxed. Talking it out then gives everyone the chance to say how they feel- and also allows you to hear what your FIL thought- that basically you and your DH are better off. makes it less personal and hurtful I guess, even if his theorising is incorrect re your own DFather etc.

Pearlsaringer · 25/11/2017 21:02

So in the end it was FIL trying to level the playing field not favouring some over others. That must be a comfort to your DH. Hopefully he also had the opportunity to say how much he has missed spending time with his DF and will be visiting more often in the future.

nursy1 · 26/11/2017 01:30

Thank you all
Yes DH feeling better about it all. TBH pearl, for him sil will always be favourite, has always been so. It’s heartening for DH that there was some cohesion with his other siblings over this. The process has been hurtful for him however but I guess nothing he didn’t know in his heart of hearts. Just brought it into sharp relief.
Nc sil knows nothing about upheaval.
We will continue to visit, FIL - complaint about DH not visiting always referred to time our family was younger.
Bloody Hell, families eh?

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Nevertobeagain · 26/11/2017 06:27

My late dm made thé tenant of her garage her next of kin and hé had poa over her financial affairs.

When she died things were left to dd now just 20. Only problem, very unique museum quality family items have been damaged in his care. My great grandfather who was born in 1850 and retired in 1925 was Waring & Gillows master cabinet maker. They used to make appointments to bring people to see the things.

My income is below thé tax threshhold so I cannot pay for repair. In effect, dd has let me have them as they mean nothing to her as she never knew her gm. I see myself as their custodian, not their owner if that makes sense.
In addition my late df was under thé impression he'd left his things to me and à lifetime interest only to dm. Thé tenant promised to see I got them.

Everything was sold at auction 4 months after dm died, including à Bibby Line coalport ltd édition urn marking thé 150th anniversaire of thé founding and his MNavy salver from when he came ashore in 1947. I would have bought thèse last 2 had I known what was happening. There was also à souvenir album from thé long march in Shanghai in 1936 as hé was there at the time. Hé never looked at it but bought it as a historical document. DM didn't even know about it until I told her.

It's not thé money, it just hurts that my df's wishes weren't carried out.

She procured me to be abused and cost me more than £30k in private emdr fées. I was shit-scared of her.

She had been part of a Prenton-based paedophile ring in thé 1920s that was still active in thé 1960s from my knowledge. As was her dm and gm, my ggm.

Sometimes, the innocent are left to clear up thé shit that others have caused.

Pearlsaringer · 26/11/2017 10:07

Sometimes we perceive favouritism when actually it is just a case of one child absorbing more than their fair share of attention and bringing out protective instincts in their parent/s long after they actually need it. It is galling for the overlooked child - I speak from experience. (Your SIL sounds just as I imagined, btw.)

Help your DH to enjoy the realisation that his father did not reject him but simply made a poor decision that he has tried to rectify. The more time your DH is able to spend with his DF the more likely they will be able to reconnect. Christmas may be a good place to start.

Wishing you all the best OP.

grannytomine · 26/11/2017 10:28

So a visit to FIL in a couple of weeks turned into a conference call in a few days with everything proving you were right all along. How amazingly convenient.

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 26/11/2017 11:36

So a visit to FIL in a couple of weeks turned into a conference call in a few days with everything proving you were right all along. How amazingly convenient

Yes, not many 90-odd year olds with advanced Parkinson's would have handled a conference call to discuss how much money you'd all get when he died as well as your FiL. Saved visiting him as well I guess.

it'snotaboutthemoney

grannytomine · 26/11/2017 12:08

Oh yes I forgot it's not about the money.

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kath6144 · 26/11/2017 14:24

Op I think you are getting a hard time on here, especially the comments mocking 'Its not about the money'.

I am guessing that none of those people have ever been in the position of being treated as a lesser person than a sibling by parents.

I have. My DB was born after mum had a miscarriage and, according, to my older cousin, was the miracle child in the eyes of mum and a childless auntie. She said I didn't stand a chance when I was born 3 yrs later. I was always despised by my DB, who didn't want a sibling. My mum always sided with him whatever happened.

He turned into a lazy t**t who thought the world owed him a living but was never willing to work for it. He has lived on benefits and his wife's money all his life, plus money from my mum.

I always suspected he was given money, but only had evidence when she was recovering from a fall, in a home, and I was managing her money. She also then blurted out a huge sum of money, it turned out she had given him about a third of her savings as he felt entitled to buy a house, despite never working.

He had, in his words, frogmarched her to the bank 3yrs earlier, having told her she would never see him or his family again if she refused to give him money. She told my 2 older cousins about this but not me.

It wasn't about the money, it was the secrecy that was devastating. Plus the feeling, as most of my life, of being loved less than him.

Only on Friday, when visiting one of the cousins, did I find out that he had written a very nasty letter to mum after she blurted it out to me. My cousin had been forced to read the letter, and even 3yrs later, is still shocked about its contents. Such vitriol that she had never read, directed to his elderly frail mum. And containing the words "xxK isn't enough, I want all your money and will make sure you change your will accordingly when you go home". What a nice son.

I had half expected a will change, despite her denying it, right up until the moment we visited solicitor after her funeral 14mths later.

I would have walked out of the office, refused to be an executor and not done anything else if that had happened. It didn't, but it was an awful thing, walking into the solicitors not knowing if he was going to pull out a new will. He even joked about it on the way there!

Whilst finding out about the money was a shock, I was glad she blurted it out rather than me find out after her death. She had kept the bank transaction receipt, so it would have been a huge shock to find that in her papers. As obviously DB did f* all in emptying her house. He never set foot in our home town after funeral, left it all to DH and I. Just sat at home waiting for his inheritance cheque.

Op - I really do feel for your DH. In our case it was never about money, we have good jobs and earn well, it was about feeling loved and feeling equal. My dad was the nicest man, I know he would never have agreed to what mum did, without telling me, but he unfortunately died first so mum was able to indulge her golden boy.

Shiftymake · 26/11/2017 15:00

Wow amazed over the fact that despite me and others spelling out straight what this is actually about some of you are far more vile then you realize. Ops dh and siblings did the right thing talking with their elderly father in this case and things came to light to help resolve issues and potential future issues. Wish far more people did this! Inheritance can cause far more trouble then they are worth and the majority is down to a lack of communication. A rejection after death can be heartbreaking and confusing when its your parent and no it is NOT about the money for many of us, naturally it is for some but they tend to be the ones that have a will altered to their favour...

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grannytomine · 26/11/2017 16:28

Shiftymake I can assure you that my kids dictating to me about what I do with my money would not be a good thing and I can't imagine how anyone would think that it would be appropriate to do this to a man in his 90s. You can turn it how you like but it is vile.

It wasn't about the money, it was the secrecy that was devastating. So you weren't devastated about your elderly mother being bullied, just devastated about how it affected you.

they tend to be the ones that have a will altered to their favour. Exactly, just like the OP and her husband. I'm sure they should be proud.

christmaswreaths · 26/11/2017 18:42

Wow just wow. I am shocked you can't see how this is coming across to most people. I really am going to leave every penny to.charity after reading some of these threads.

Sashkin · 26/11/2017 19:04

Leaving all of it to charity would be fine. Leaving all of it to three children and none to just one of them is a shitty thing to do, and if DM did it to either me or my brother I would tell her so (but she wouldn’t, because she knows very well what a nasty divisive act it would be).

grannytomine · 27/11/2017 00:26

It wasn't just one though, the nc sister was left out as well. The OPs husband has already received a valuable grandfather clock as well.

Sashkin what about if you visited her twice a year and you sister looked after her, would you think your sister might actually deserve it? After all if you mother went into care the money would probably all go anyway.

nursy1 · 27/11/2017 01:56

Kath. Thanks for your comment. I think DH family has many echos of what you describe. I think, Mumsnet ( or other social media) perhaps not the best place to describe all the nuances of a dysfunctional family and,as I said. Some don’t read properly and jump to conclusions.
The Conf Call was organised by bil. Sil not keen but FIL ok with it apart from when sil got upset.
To TRY and illustrate FIL and sil ganged up to bully my DH and nc sil all through their childhood. DH doesn’t really know why. He thinks perhaps because she was oldest and there was no room left for them. Nc sil did really well academically but nearly broke herself trying to prove to FIL that she was clever and to earn his love but never quite did. That’s why she is nc now.
DH couldn’t compete, I think he was a sensitive kid who just didn’t fit his Dads ideas.
Other two siblings were born after a gap of 10 years so seemed to suffer less from the intensity of it. They do all remember my DH being thrown out at 17, that he lived in a shed for weeks at the bottom of the garden and they were not allowed to speak to him. Sil told FIL that his Mum had sneaked DH a cup of tea with biscuits and there was a huge row which the younger ones remember as it made her cry. She was pretty much cowed by him and was seemed fairly ineffective to me. I know what I would have said.
The shed banishment was because he left school and started an apprenticeship rather than staying for A levels ( which he knew he didn’t stand a chance at, dyslexia not really a thing then)
Obviously there are other horrific tales. Directly as a result of this chucking out he got engaged to his then girlfriend. They lived with her parents, married at 18. FIL didn’t visit even when first grandchild was born because they lived in a Council house! Eventual reconciliation when second child born however they visited 4 times in the whole 12 years of that marriage so you can see why DH thought his father saying he didn’t visit enough was a bit rich.

The will situation is ( sort of) resolved now so detail not important I guess but just trying to illustrate to some of you how he has been treated in past to cause this reaction in him. DH still very hurt by this final blow. The saving thing has been the discussion and support from his younger siblings. My DH is a lovely man ( thank god he takes after his Mum) and has done lots for them over the years.

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nursy1 · 27/11/2017 02:02

Grannytomine. I think if you read the thread you will see that we don’t actually get to keep the grandfather clock.

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nursy1 · 27/11/2017 02:12

Kath, I am sorry for your experience. As you say, It’s NOT about the money. It’s as my DH said, about being treated as a lesser sibling, less loved, worth less.
I acknowledge the care given to FIL but sil has not done it for nothing as many carers do. There is a weird co- dependency there. Since sil lost her very good well paid job 25 years ago due to the drinking FIL has supported her financially. Before the £200 a week for caring he paid her rent for years whilst they drank together and she drifted in and out of low paid work. Haters there is a lot of back story to this!

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TempletonTreeThorpe · 27/11/2017 07:57

I think you and you DH are behaving appallingly. But glad you’re getting what you want, hopefully you will be happy with the money