Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

355 replies

MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

OP posts:
TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:45

So what steps are you putting in place to end this one?

JKR123 · 28/10/2017 09:48

My mil had an affair and it destroyed the whole family. She's still with the OM but it's obvious that deep down she's not happy. Is this man really worth risking all the damage that could ensue?

Elkilil · 28/10/2017 09:48

I don't think slamming the OP is the way to go here and I'm not just saying that because I've been in a similar position. I think it's about education.. showing her another point of view which can be easy to lose sight of when your wrapped up in an affair. Slamming her is just going to make her defensive.

OP not anyone can have an affair.. but a lot more can then anyone would realise, and that doesn't make it right as you already know. We all make mistakes, some of us have affairs, some women use their children as pawns, some do illegal drugs and some put people lives by texting and driving. No one is perfect! Don't worry about what anyone says... you need to be comfortable with yourself, The effects of affairs take a long time to leave a person, including the other women. Keep that in mind when your struggling.

FinallyHere · 28/10/2017 09:49

You know, MrsMiss, lack of sympathy for your situation is very much one of the smaller reasons for not having an affair with a cheat, but it is a clue as to how ill-advised it is.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:50
  1. Discuss with other people for very first time
  2. No time alone together
  3. Minimal contact
  4. Focus on seeing other friends and keeping busy
  5. Re-visit counselling
  6. Minimal alcohol
  7. Seek support with children
  8. Get divorce
  9. Get financial affairs in order
10. Focus on career
OP posts:
stitchglitched · 28/10/2017 09:53

It isn't just an affair though, she is screwing over a friend in the process. If she was stealing money from her friend's business or betraying her in another way nobody would be defending her. But because it's an affair apparently the deception is more 'complicated' and we musn't judge. And never mind all the children involved when the shit hits the fan.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 09:53

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/10/2017 09:53

Picture a friend, any friend, not your best friend - just a friend. Her partner tries it on. What would you do? Slap him? Tell her? Or do nothing. I did nothing. I told him to stop. I walked away. I avoided him.

And then you started shagging him. And you continue to do so, while lying to your friend’s face. A bit of token wimple-clutching at the start doesn’t exonerate you.

TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:54

Sounds like a solid plan of action to me.

  1. Decide exactly how I will act when he tries to contact me.
revengeongc · 28/10/2017 09:55

"Focus on seeing other friends" hahahahahahahahahahaha

Do you really have friends, OP?

tygr · 28/10/2017 10:01

Seriously, projecting your own shit on the OP for what - gratification - is low and you have the cheek to stand on your pieces of moral high ground and say you’d never ever find yourself in this situation? You can all guarantee that 100% can you?

I’m very sorry for those of you destroyed by affairs. I suggest perhaps you get your own counselling rather than seeking out threads on Mumsnet to vent your spleens on.

SuccessStory · 28/10/2017 10:03

I think this may be one of the classic reasons why a lot of women don’t like/encourage single friends hanging out with them when they are a couple. Sad.

upperlimit · 28/10/2017 10:05

I would have an affair and I've never been cheated on, so I don't have any issues to vent apart from the fact that I can't abide adults who behave atrociously and then play the victim.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 28/10/2017 10:06

No we can’t guarantee that we’d never find ourselves in this situation, but that doesn’t justify this or any other affair or make it less injurious to the betrayed parties or to the OP herself.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 10:07

Yes, tygr, I can guarantee 100% that I'd never find myself in the situation of fucking my friend's husband. Because, I have, you know, a moral compass, and stuff.

What about you?

And I have counselling and medication and all that lovely shit. Still doesn't change the fact that I was betrayed in the worst possible way by two people I thought cared about me. Forgive me for being, ooh, a little bit cynical.

FluffyWhiteTowels · 28/10/2017 10:08

MrsMiss sounds like a good plan. Well done.

I think there's a '30 day no contact' thread ... that may help you as well when the desire to contact him is strong.

I really hope your plan succeeds and your self esteem and respect for yourself increases.

stitchglitched · 28/10/2017 10:08

I'm pretty sure I can guarantee that I wouldn't have sex with a friend's husband and then hang out with said friend afterwards. I think you either have it in you to behave like that or you don't.

TheFormidableMrsC · 28/10/2017 10:09

OP, I am divorced now because my ex-husband was a prolific cheat and left after starting an affair with a new widow. He loved a single mum (her, me and more before me it transpired), vulnerable, alone etc etc blah blah. However, you have no idea of the shitstorm you are about to unleash and indeed the implosion of your lives and the lives of those around you. Ours have been ruined by it and four years on, the situation is no better, in fact it's probably worse. Our families have been blown apart, my kids have lost half their family, it has crushed everybody. I doubt it's been worth it. All of this on top of the the huge difficulties of ending a marriage in terms of finances, the effects on the children, the horrific effects on his wife, a MASSIVE and utterly unforgiveable double betrayal that she will probably never come to terms with. You will be publicly judged, people will think you're a shit, regardless of the justification and background.

Listen to what people are saying to you. It's clear. If I were you, I'd move away as you said upthread. You're not a friend to his wife, how you can pretend to be is beyond me to be honest. I realise that it's all in the face of keeping up "normality" but when she finds out, and she will, your life won't be worth living. I can't stress this enough, I've lived it and I will never be the same person again after the experiences I have had.

There are NO excuses for what you are doing. If his marriage is as rubbish as you say (and they ALL say that, it's rarely true), then he will take steps to deal with that himself without dragging you into it. You are a fool if you continue down this path.

upperlimit · 28/10/2017 10:11

I would have an affair

Ha, I mean I wouldn't have an affair! Grin

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:22

Simple-clutching? Am just saying would you do it differently? Are we so different? It doesn't exonerate me - I am saying I started out thinking entirely of my friend. Entirely. Yes the situation changed gradually over time but that is life. I am not passive, it didn't just happen, I'm not claiming special circumstances but I am not an atrocious woman, I'm living with my mistakes and fronting up to them. There are plenty of others others who just go about their affairs for decades... I am not saying this makes me better/worse anything. I don't have that mentality.

OP posts:
MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 10:22

Just like that upperlimit, just like that.

OP posts:
upperlimit · 28/10/2017 10:24
Grin
NickNaughty · 28/10/2017 10:25

P.s as a mental health nurse of 18 years SSRIs do not stop people from feeling shame or guilt so stop hiding behind that

I am horrified that, as a mental health nurse, you don't realise by now that the effects of psychiatric medication vary enormously from person to person. I'm even more horrified by your lack of empathy for human suffering. Alarming stuff.

RainyApril · 28/10/2017 10:26

No, not everyone is capable of an affair op.

During decades of marriage don't you think I've had men come on to me, that I've been attracted to other people, that I've had opportunities to cheat?

Everyone has. Everyone. But some people are capable of thinking through to the consequences and inevitable end result, and imagining the hurt they'll be a party to.

I've seen ows receive support on here before. You're receiving more criticism than most because your whiny justification, your poor me attitude and the really obvious signals that you have little intention of stopping the affair are nauseating.

If you cared about hurting his family more than you cared about yourself, you'd stop.

DownTownAbbey · 28/10/2017 10:28

It might help to see this man for what he is: A vulture.

He made a pass at you because like all predators he could sense that you're weak and vulnerable and he took advantage. He didn't fall for you as a person, you were just the nearest most available victim. It's not flattering in the least. He saw someone he could manipulate into shagging him, boosting his ego etc. I've got a friend who has just found out that her husband has tried it on with several of her friends. Like Weinstein's victims once they heard that it had happened to someone else (and that she wasn't forgiving him for it) they felt brave enough to say 'me too!' Do you think he had / wanted a meaningful connection with 3 of his wife's friends? Coincidence? No! He's a sleaze and was hoping one of them would say 'ooo go on then'. Your married beau just struck lucky.

You're confusing your need for affection with his need for illicit nookie. This is NOT a romance.

Swipe left for the next trending thread