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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

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MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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TheLuminaries · 28/10/2017 09:14

I'll keep it brief. Anyone can have an affair. Anyone No, that isn't true. You need to be capable of lies and deceit to those who care about you and those you should care about. I know you won't want to believe this, but there are people of integrity in this world who would never behave like that. Just because you have discovered an unpleasant side to yourself doesn't mean everyone has that side.

My mum had an affair, is now married to the man. I will never forgive the affair or my mum for having it, so it has damaged out relationship to that extent, but you only have one mum so we do get on. Her husbands children (who I knew, it was a sordid small town affair, like yours) have never forgiven him and he hasn't seen his children in years and now his grandchildren, he has heard exist but isn't allowed to see. So his loss is greater, but as they say 'take what you want - and be prepared to pay for it'.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:17

RainyApril imagine, just for a minute... just try. Picture a friend, any friend, not your best friend - just a friend. Her partner tries it on. What would you do? Slap him? Tell her? Or do nothing. I did nothing. I told him to stop. I walked away. I avoided him. Are we really that different? Am I a horrible woman? Are you?

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MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:18

Anyone can. You are deluding yourself. Anyone can.

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TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:19

Blah blah blah.

I think you wanted an absolute pile-on here. Yet 99% of the posts have been extremely measured.

I think this thread has backfired for you. You wanted an excuse to feel misunderstood. But most people here understand you only too well.

I’ll ask my question again in different words: IF you want to stop this relationship, what are you going to do differently from right now?

FluffyWhiteTowels · 28/10/2017 09:19

Yes it's so difficult when the children of affair partners know each. It adds a level of distrust. My DC realised OW DC knew about the affair and condoned the cheating. They won't have anything to do with them. DC explained to me that that is a whole different level of deceitfulness to know and keep quiet.

FluffyWhiteTowels · 28/10/2017 09:22

So OP. Have you deleted his number?

Have you told him to stop contacting you? And have you said to him if he contacts you again you'll tell your friend/his wife.

You will have done the above if you are serious about ending it.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:23

What I am doing differently is ending it. How can you say the thread backfired? how do you know what I wanted? Honestly. It must be lovely in your ivory towers and glass houses where the nice people with integrity live. I'll slink back to my hole where the evil people stay...

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upperlimit · 28/10/2017 09:24

Anyone can. You are deluding yourself. Anyone can.

You see, this is so blatantly untrue that it smacks of attention seeking hyperbole.

TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:25

Keep trying, OP. You are as transparent as a window.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 09:25

People, stop feeding this narcissist. Seriously, she's getting off on all this lovely attention and drama. Oh woe, poor me, I'm different, I'm special, oh, I'll slink back to my hole...

OP, you are a pathetic shell of a human being. I feel sorry for you.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:26

Fluffy white towels I have to do what you, a complete stranger who doesn't know the situation, says in order to prove I'm serious. No i haven't deleted his number and I will not threaten to tell his wife because I would not do that to him, his wife, his children. This is not a game. I will go low contact. I have done. I am extricating myself and he is too.

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TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:29

Why won’t you delete his number? It would take 5 seconds.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:29

What is blatantly untrue about saying anyone can? You just don't like it. I am no narcissist or drama queen and I'm not getting off on anything. I don't know why I'm bothering but each hour on here is an hour not thinking about him so good.

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MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:32

Well let me think? The reason for not deleting his number has nothing to do with the time taken to do it... i won't explain further, lest you think I'm romanticising, pleading special circumstances or some such.

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stitchglitched · 28/10/2017 09:33

God what a load of self indulgent nonsense. You aren't star crossed lovers, just a regular pair of sleazy cheats. And in this case you aren't just an OW, you are also screwing over a friend and jeopardising your kids security and wellbeing. Why would you put their happiness at risk for a shag? Do you want to be a shit parent to add to being a shit friend?

TheStoic · 28/10/2017 09:33

No seriously...why won’t you delete his number?

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:34

I'm a pathetic shell of a human being... well that is your opinion.

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tygr · 28/10/2017 09:35

OP I would never come on Mumsnet for the support you seek. They have a pack mentality.

I dared to say something on a thread yesterday and had people jumping on it and accusing me of all sorts.

Seriously, unless you’re suffering domestic abuse, I don’t think this is a supportive forum at all.

I hope you manage to find a way to boost your self-esteem and life turns a corner for you.

I think you can do much better than this man from what you’ve said. You deserve better.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:36

Sleazy cheats... that's your opinion.

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stitchglitched · 28/10/2017 09:38

Yes it is. Are you saying what you are doing isn't sleazy then? Having sex with your friend's husband and then smiling to her face whilst your kids hang out together? It's repulsive.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:40

Thanks tygr, I haven't been on for years. I found it helpful when discussing my children's ASD and the relationship with DH. I was told many years ago to avoid AIBU and to post in relationships and I have been encouraged by some constructive posts but largely it's just venemous bile and makes me realise how futile it is..

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upperlimit · 28/10/2017 09:42

Speak only for yourself. We aren't all emotionally incontinent.

I wouldn't have an affair. If my relationship had collapsed then I would end it before I considered taking up with somebody else. Because I have children, I would extend the time between the two relationships by some considerable margin.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:43

you know nothing about it, you are telling me what I'm doing. You know nothing about the situation.

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MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:44

Upperlimit I did. I ended my relationship because of my children's wellbeing 2 years ago.

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upperlimit · 28/10/2017 09:45

I was speaking about your more general point that everyone is capable of having an affair.

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