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I'm the other woman, not proud of it, confused - anyone been in this situation?

355 replies

MrsMiss · 26/10/2017 21:47

I realise this is going to prompt an onslaught of criticism, fair enough. I just wondered there are people who could help me as I can't talk in real life.

I'm not excusing my behaviour but context: I had previously only had two relationships - my 'first love' at college, and my husband of 11 years. We have 4 dc. Our relationship was on the surface fine in the early days, but as we had children, and I know people will think 'how could you not know' - his behaviours became more and more difficult to live with, and we embarked on marriage counselling, and eventually dh was diagnosed with Asperger's. We both tried to deal with this as best we could, but after a further year and a half of counselling and best efforts, we both mutually agreed to separate.

I was diagnosed with clinical depression, and felt like my life was not worth living. Single parent, in 40s, part-time work, scraping money together, dealing with loss and disappointment of marriage and the impact of living with emotionally unavailable man who always seemed so harsh/manipulative but also vulnerable, making it hard for me to see the wood for the trees.

I became close friends with a couple, our kids get on well, and we spent time together over the next year or so. Fast forward to a party earlier this year, the man in this couple gets v. drunk and makes a pass at me. I think I'm being really careful to avoid hurting his feelings, and my good friend his wife, and stop things in their tracks. However, I wasn't prepared for how it made me feel. To him it was probably just a drunken fumble. To me, it was highly significant - one of the few times in my life that someone has shown me such attention. He contacted me afterwards and we 'talked', discussing the fact that neither of us 'did this kind of thing' and that it was no big deal, a mistake, hadn't gone too far, no harm done. But then over a period of weeks and months our friendship has gradually developed. To begin with it seemed he was stuck in an unhappy relationship and spending a very brief time talking to me helped him, and me, to feel less lonely. However, now I feel like it is me who has fallen deeply in love with this person, and he is either (a) regretting his actions and looking for a 'safe' exit strategy, (b) in denial and scared about the strength of his initial feelings, worried about everyone else's reaction if it was discovered etc or (c) just chaotically enjoying the rare moments we do get to spend time together, but feeling guilty otherwise. I've obviously tried to talk about it but it never really goes anywhere. He knew before we got together that I was depressed. He knows I find it tough being on my own with the kids, but I genuinely believe he thinks I can help him and he can help me. I swing between being horrified at myself for putting myself in this situation - I know how low my behaviour is, I know what is at stake, I know I can't have much self-respect if I let him basically take what he wants when he wants. But, I do feel so much better for having a connection with someone for the first time in my adult life. I obviously thought I had it with my stb ex dh but was bewildered by his condition, hoodwinked by his manipulation and brought down by the endless negativity and anxiety that our relationship brought to bear on me. Part of me thinks 'why shouldn't I?' but then I remember that I'm not even happy as everything is on his terms. I think I know what people are going to say, and honestly I will read your comments and will think carefully. I know it will be too painful for some people to try to imagine from my perspective, but if anyone has experiences to share that might help me, I would be grateful. Thank you.

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GlitterGlassEye · 27/10/2017 20:28

You think you feel bad just now, wait til the inevitable shit hits the fan. So you are deprived of attention from your possibly exh and caved in to your friends husbands advances? But you and he are ‘not that type’? You are kidding yourself on. He’s done it many times, you are not special. Just desperate and he knew it. Do you even like each other? Doesn’t sound romantic to me. He fed your ego, and tbh if getting affection is your only worry you are terribly selfish.

Your poor friend. And your kids when this car crash comes to attention.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 27/10/2017 20:30

Zubrowka Nothing serious but lots of sex I trust! Wink

Allesie · 27/10/2017 20:51

You need some serious distraction!

Find things to do / other things to think about so this is not on your mind all the time. A bit more of a practical tip: What things / activities did you enjoy before your marriage? Sounds like there was not a lot of time for you in your marriage and now post-marriage this married man is taking up your precious time that you could be spending on YOU getting in a more postive space and reinventing yourself post-martiage.

I would do some serieus sole searching about what little and big things in life make you happy as this situation will not for you and a lot of other people.

Of course you can do this for yourself and your children. Stay strong!

gameoflife · 27/10/2017 20:56

Woman who is doing something awful thinks she is entitled to counselling from other women to get over being awful.

Just stop.

Cameron2012 · 27/10/2017 21:01

Walk away, there are no winners in this situation

Blackcatonthesofa · 27/10/2017 21:44

Hi OP, I won't flame you.

You sound lonely and in need of some love and attention. You talk more about that than the man. That is hopeful because you need to detach those feelings from that man. It's fine to feel lonely at the moment. That will get better in time.

I have been the OW. I managed to walk away but it was hard. However I realised that it would be easier to walk early thennwait for years. I realised that I would feel more hurt to stay the OW than to find someone who could actually be with me. You deserve more than this and I think you know that.

Try to go low contact. Don't be alone with him anymore. Take it day by day. Every day you wake up, start fresh, plan your day and keep to your goals. You might feel miserable but fake it till you start feeling better more often. Be nice to yourself. Try to do something for yourself each weekend which makes you feel better, buy flowers, paint your nails, read the newspaper, whatever floats your boat. Try to call and see your friends and family more often. That will help with some of the loneliness.

You know you can do this. There is happiness at the other end. You just need to go through this to get there.

GlitterGlassEye · 27/10/2017 23:46

You have 4 kids. They must be feeling a multitude of emotions after the split and you’re here moaning. You need a kick up the arse, not sympathy.

crazymissdaisy · 28/10/2017 00:01

I've PMd you MrsMiss!

Whinesalot · 28/10/2017 00:31

What are you thinking when you meet up with your friend? How can you act normally when you know what you are doing? It's beyond my comprehension how you can keep up the pretence of being a good friend.

revengeongc · 28/10/2017 00:41

Thanks Mumsnet.

I'.m so glad you wanted that cunting other women to live out.

fuck off.

NoMudNoLotus · 28/10/2017 01:00

Your behaviour is vile.

You are a family wrecker .

Women like you disgust me.

NoMudNoLotus · 28/10/2017 01:04

P.s as a mental health nurse of 18 years SSRIs do not stop people from feeling shame or guilt so stop hiding behind that.

Elkilil · 28/10/2017 04:34

If you are anything like me then all the insults that are being thrown your way are nothing you haven't already told yourself.
I know at the moment it feels good to be wanted, I know how much that can mean to a person and that when you are caught up in something like this you will find any way to excuse your behaviour, but if you have anyway to walk away from this then you should try with all your heart... because even if he does leave for you and you love him, you will always be dealing with the pain of your actions. However hard you think it might be.. it's probably going to be 10 times worse. If it's meant to be let him do it on his own.. or take the confidence boost of being wanted and find someone else without all the drama.
I was the other women for 4 months before he left, we are still together years later and still very much in love. But it has been so hard and so much guilt and being with him is always going to remind me of that guilt. My dad also had an affair and stayed and I often used to think it was just better if he leave and save all the tension I grew up with, and I think I used that to justify myself.. but when the fog clears you realise nothing justifys your behaviour. We all make mistakes but if can save any more damage then try and do so.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 05:14

If you have worked in mental health for all those years shame on you for treating people so cruelly. I am not hiding behind SSRIs, am merely stating the fact that I feel numb. I'm not hiding anywhere, I'm awake every hour, reading these posts, and I am a person.

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jojowilko · 28/10/2017 06:46

I didn't read your long and winding excuses but I'll tell you this. As a child of the other woman I never managed to forgive my mother. My fathers sons never forgave him and it all ended in acrimony.

jojowilko · 28/10/2017 06:52

if course I own it. I own every time I see them together as a family, I own it when I see my friend on her own, I own it when I'm alone

I'm sorry but what are you talking about you silly woman. You're not talking about going out in a pair of orange tights or learning to love cellulite. There's nothing to own. This is a horrible betrayal of your friend. You are a horrible person for doing this. And one of the previous posters was right. You'd be well served by growing up.

FinallyHere · 28/10/2017 07:02

I'm awake every hour, reading these posts, and I am a person.

Honestly, MrsMiss, can you see how you are damaging your own self esteem, accepting these crumbs of comfort from a cheater? Just for your own sake, the sooner you decide to prioritise your self, and kick him out, the sooner you will start to feel better. You will feel your own strength and power, once you stop undermining them by living this lie.

It isn't easy, but it is very, very simple. Do it, for yourself, and your own family.

Elkilil · 28/10/2017 07:38

Jojowilko can I ask why you didn't forgive your mother? I take it you were a product of the affair? Did you forgive your dad?

jojowilko · 28/10/2017 07:56

@Elkilil nope. They lied to me for 20 years and I didn't find out about the fact that there was another family or they weren't married until my father fell ill. Obviously it's very complicated in my case. But it's still going to be traumatic for children and the wife if it's a less complicated situation or shorter affair.

Elkilil · 28/10/2017 08:06

Thanks jojowilko I don't know if you seen my earlier post but I was also the other women and we are together now. I know what I've done wrong and can't take that back but we have been trying ever since to make this easier for the child involved so it helps to know other people's experiences. we haven't rushed into anything in the years since the separation because we want the child to be able to adjust accordingly, and I think when the time comes we will need to be honest with the child.

TangledSlinky · 28/10/2017 08:28

Haven't RTFT but this stood out to me...

We live in same town, kids are all friends, go to same school, shared friends, do I cut all contact, stop kids seeing each other, never speak to wife again? Do I explain to mutual friends that we've fallen out? Do I move away from my family and dc's father to start again somewhere new? That's why it's not simple.

OP what do you think will happen when his DW finds out about this?

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 08:53

I think I accept that some people will never understand. I know it is wrong, i didn't try to excuse it merely give context. I've answered questions but each time I do, it causes more problems. One poster asked me to 'own it' so that's what I was explaining, and then another person says 'what are you talking about, own it you silly woman'.

I'll keep it brief. Anyone can have an affair. Anyone. You, your partner, your son, your daughter. It isn't a 'simple' choice. affairs aren't always discovered. They cause damage whether they are or whether they are not discovered. There is a difference between excuse and explanation. If someone asks why, and you try to tell them you are facing up to what you've done not hiding. I never wanted sympathy or a green light, just the opportunity to talk because I can't remember in RL. I'm sorry to hear about all the awful situations where people have suffered. I don't think that's irrelevant to me, but I also can't be a scapegoat for every person who has ever had an affair. Thank you to the people who offered support or insight or constructive suggestions. I am - if anyone new to the thread cares to know - going low contact to minimise fallout and to get out of this dysfunctional situation, for everyone involved.

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RainyApril · 28/10/2017 09:04

I don't know why you think people don't understand. Maybe we understand better than you do, but you just don't like what we're saying.

The thing for me is that you just keep whining on about context and reasons and needing to talk, when the facts are actually very simple. You are doing a shit thing. In keeping with every ow who ever lived, you think you have a unique set of circumstances. You don't. Your story has played out a million times.

You need to cut contact. It will hurt and you will feel bereft, like anyone who has ever experienced the end of a relationship. Like his wife, when she finds out. I'm glad to see you've decided to end it, now stop explaining and justifying and outlining the speshul circumstances of your shit behaviour.

MrsMiss · 28/10/2017 09:12

Or maybe you don't. Have you considered that? I don't have special circumstances. Maybe you can't expect strangers on a forum to listen. If I had phrased this differently perhaps comments would have been different. I love that I can be a 'silly woman' 'whining on' etc etc, you don't know me at all. Just trying to stand up for myself but it is relentless and futile.

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FluffyWhiteTowels · 28/10/2017 09:12

You're not his 'number one'. He loves his wife and family more than you ... and you know this. So actually continuing to think you have a connection with him is battering your self esteem more because you know deep down that he doesn't cherish you or want to grow old with you. He just wants a dirty fumble and a fcuk to make his esteem bigger.

Your DC's dad is in their life. So when he has them go out and do a hobby. Or try OLD..

Delete his number. That takes away the method of texting him. Delete any texts from him immediately without reading. That's if he's texting you or is it usually you who starts the texting?