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DH says I am a minion to this woman

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Salvatoreseraphino · 21/10/2017 20:46

I'm 35, currently a SAHM with 4 DC (all under 6.)

Before I had DC I used to work for a charity run by a very strong, successful woman who I admire very much. She is nearly 70, unmarried, with grown up children of her own.

I got to know her (will call her A) quite well but not as a close friend, just from work. She also took me on from university and I was there my whole working life.

Since having DC and having to stop work I have kept in contact with her and still go to work-related events and deal with work-related issues when I have the time. The charity and the people in it still constitute the main part of my social life, and free time (away from the DC and DH,) as I don't see it as just a job that I should let go of. The charity world is not like that.

Sometimes when they need me I do end up going back into work mode and resuming my job sometimes. And on some level I want it, but like to be able to dip in and out and take on my old role when I have time and leave it when I don't. Obviously I don't get paid for this, or for the hours I put in to help, as I don't officially work there anymore.

Unlike other sectors there is always a great need to do more, even if the basics are met, so even though I have been officially replaced in my job by someone else , there is still stuff that needs to be done.

For me working for the charity, even on a voluntary basis is important for those it benefits, and it has loads of perks, it's incredibly interesting, means I get to meet lots of interesting people too. And I know it so well - I worked there since university, so 15 years. Also because A runs it, she is very successful and inspiring and I have had lots of opportunities through the charity that I have not been able to have in other parts of life, especially as a mother of 4 where my daily life is quite monotonous.

A also asks me to give advice to her friends regarding my specialist area ( law), so I do give a lot of advice for free, or find myself spending a whole afternoon with a different charity run by another friend of A's giving them free advice - which I don't mind and it allows me to flex my intellect as the children grow up.

DH says that A condescends me, takes advantage of my willingness to help, and says that i am deferent and compliant around her. He says that in return she now gets the role I was previously doing, for free, for her friends as well, and does not pay me. And worst of all, he says, she does not even treat me like her friend after all these years. He says she treats me as staff, and that I delude myself thinking I am her friend, or that she and I are equals and she needs me. And that I should have some respect for myself and live a more realistic life with the DC and him and not go to any more events or work for free.

I am very confused about this because I do know that I am very drawn to older women because my DM died when I was a toddler. I am always searching for the elusive mother figure and maybe I have attached something maternal to A who is a very strong, admirable, successful older woman, who I feel has to some extent taken me under her wing. I have done this in the past with other older women, but I don't necessarily see it as a problem for me.

If I am very honest with myself, there is part of me, I think, which would quite like to be more of her friend than she allows, perhaps talk about more general things rather than work and know each other's lives better, or her to know my DC better, or to have more of a "mother/daughter" dynamic after all these years,for eg I have never been invited for dinner at her house and she has dinner parties all the time. I have invited her to mine but she always declines, mainly because of geography and because she is busy. But I don't waste time mulling over this, or resenting it not happening or pushing to make it happen. And I am quite happy with my situation, and the level at which A regards me. DH would argue that I wait like a little minion to be called or asked to help and then I drop everything in the hope of approval from "mummy."

To be even more honest, I do think some of my self esteem rests in being needed by her or performing a function for her. There is something about the relationship that makes me feel secure. DH always knows when I receive an email from her as he says my face "lights up." I'm aware that sounds a bit weirdly romantic, but it's not. And if it's not causing me any harm, surely it is okay?

My loyalty and voluntary work for her does not get in the way of family life or caring for the DC. DH says it Has an impact on the family because I am giving my time and not getting anything back. Not even friendship. But isn't that what charity work is anyway? And if I enjoy it and being around thsee people, surely that would be like a hobbie anyway?

Can anyone relate? What do you think? Do I sound crazy?

OP posts:
MaybeDoctor · 25/10/2017 18:34

Try out this scenario:

OP gives some advice to the charity's service-user B. Unfortunately the advice isn't quite right, for whatever reason, and B comes back to the charity with a complaint. Perhaps B has also gone to a third party like another charity, one of the trustees or perhaps even the press.

A has to respond. She realises that her position of using an unpaid volunteer to give advice actually leaves herself quite exposed. So in order to placate B and get the third parties off her back, she decides to hang OP out to dry.

A sends an email to all staff and trustees saying that OP has given incorrect and misleading advice, therefore will no longer be volunteering for the charity.

A then withdraws into her formal role, refuses any further correspondence and leaves the OP with a damaged reputation and no right of reply.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 25/10/2017 20:17

This has been a really interesting read. Shame the Op has long gone.

NinonDeLenclos · 26/10/2017 10:01

Bruce OP wants to keep in touch with her previous career, keep her mind ticking over, and escape the monotony of family life, so in this case I'd say education and career has everything to do with her choice.

I keep posting the same quotes because a couple of posters insist on inventing stuff that I had to point out repeatedly wasn't in the text. I have no issue with posters with a different interpretation - but the majority of posters with a different view have not invented anything. I have merely taken issue with a couple of posters who have interpolated stuff that simply isn't there.

Bruceishavingfish · 26/10/2017 10:16

OP wants to keep in touch with her previous career, keep her mind ticking over, and escape the monotony of family life, so in this case I'd say education and career has everything to do with her choice.

The ops primary motivation is a pursuing a relationship with this woman. A one sided unrealistic relationship that isnt going to happen.

She could dedicate the same amount of time, but charge for it. It would keep her mind ticking over and keep her hand in. But she doesnt want to charge for it. The question is, why?

Because her motivation is this relationship. I can only guess, but i think tge op knows deep down that the minute she starts charging, she will be dropped. Therefore no relationship at all.

You are inventing stuff. You are inventing that the husband, definitely thinks that her place is at home. You can not say that definitively. You are interpreting the information that way. Your interpretation on the word 'realistic' is different to others interpretation.

NinonDeLenclos · 26/10/2017 10:21

The ops primary motivation is a pursuing a relationship with this woman

?? Have you actually bothered to read the OP at all?

I never said the husband "definitely" thinks her place is at "home" - I have said no more than the OP's own rendition of the husband's comments.

Bruceishavingfish · 26/10/2017 10:23

Have you actually bothered to read the OP at all?

I was actually thinking the same thing

NinonDeLenclos · 26/10/2017 10:36

Well read it again more carefully. I'm sorry I've run out of patience with this.

Atenco · 26/10/2017 14:11

This comment means nothing as thats not what the op said. Besides which many educated women ARE happy bring a sahp. Are you suggesting its only realistic for less educated people, to have their life revolving around their husband and kids?

Having their life revolving around their husband and kids, is no life for anyone, IMHO, educated or not. And I'm all for SAHPs but the idea that a woman can be fulfilled just by these activities and relationships is one of the reasons why so many women take ADs.

GoldfishCrackers · 28/10/2017 12:45

OP I’m not surprised you haven’t been back.
Your DH saw a situation where part of the appeal for you of volunteering is getting a self-esteem boost and some access to the mother-figure that you need. His response has been to belittle you. What a brilliant way to support up in getting your needs metHmm. And some posters here have done the very same, whilst ignoring the very real benefits of volunteering in general.

I don’t like the fact that he’s not suggesting replacing it with something else that would offer you the same/more fulfilment; rather something that services (even more of) his domestic needs.

NotAgainYoda · 29/10/2017 05:36

I am thinking about the other woman and just can't get past the fact she would not even offer expenses. That's not respectful of you, IMO. It is exploitative

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