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He won't give back the children

136 replies

Witchofthenorth · 11/10/2017 07:29

Hi all, this might be long so apologies but I don’t want to drip feed.

STBXH has contact with the children once a fortnight for a whole weekend. This time though he asked if he could have them for the week as it’s school holidays here, which was no problem. I don’t have issue with him seeing the kids whenever he likes, within reason due to school and things. We live 50 miles away from him and the kids schools are in a different local authority.

Anyway, last week, the kids were off and I was working for a few days. I left my very capable 14, nearly 15yr old son and 13 year old daughter in charge of their younger siblings who are 9 and 6.

The older two have been left alone before and have had some times where they have looked after the younger two prior to this. When I’ve had to go to the shops or doctors appointments and such. So this wasn’t something sprung on them but it was for longer than before.

They know what to do in an emergency, have neighbours they can go to and had my number if they needed. I would have came home immediately if I had to. I also left some chores for them, hoovering, load the dishwasher and my oldest had the grass to cut.

Last night STBXH called me and went mad down the phone, in front of my older two, who I have since found out are a bit shook up at how their father spoke to me, shouting the odds about how it was wrong of me to leave them, the older two should only be on their own for minutes, not hours and the younger two shouldn’t be looked after by their older siblings. I am a bad mother, the kids don’t have a life, they should be playing and that I was neglectful in leaving them and I should have them taken from me.

He has now said that the kids are staying with him next week and the week after (schools go back Monday) and I’m terrified he won’t bring them back. He said he is going to fight for custody and I am so scared. I want my children back. I was speaking to my oldest and he wants to come home but is scared to tell his father. I have told STBXH that the kids come back Friday as planned but I don’t think he is moving on his decision.

Need some hand holding please. I don’t think I was wrong in what I did but I am now doubting myself. My kids are good kids, sensible and level headed. I’ve been trying to teach the how to become functioning adults (the older two anyway) and in some respects I treat then as young adults, teaching them to cook, use an iron, use the washing machine etc. He doesn’t see any of this and wants them to be wrapped in cotton wool forever.

What the fuck am I going to do?

OP posts:
Missingstreetlife · 11/10/2017 21:26

Well done op. Don't delay. Let us know how you get on. I suppose you could get tickets and let the kids come home on bus or train. The eldest is certainly old enough to vote with his feet (& bring the younger ones). The police may take a dim view of his dad keeping him against his will.
Wish people would read what you have said instead of going into hypothetical.
I don't think ssd care whether mum is at work or in the pub as long as kids ok. People are so judgy.

Charley50 · 11/10/2017 21:29

I think

Charley50 · 11/10/2017 21:30

Oops! Grin I think it was fine what you did and your ex is being an arsehole. Just showing my support for the sistren!

dotdotdotmustdash · 11/10/2017 21:54

My DB and I were let into our house by a neighbour after school and were alone from 3.15-5.30pm as our Mum was a full-time working single parent. This began as soon as I started school at 5 and my db was 7.

It wasn't ideal and I certainly wouldn't do it, but nothing bad ever happened to us. We ate bread and jam and drank squash in front of the Tv.

Nanny0gg · 11/10/2017 22:52

So your Ex is now planning to have 7 children living in his house? Has he discussed that with his partner?

He's being spiteful.

serialcheat · 12/10/2017 08:31

Tyoo

Stop being so anal, take a day off...... I didn't give her any advice, merely disagreed with her choice to leave her kids alone, and they are kids, but she knows them better than anyone.......

My point was, her Ex will try to use the situation for his advantage, and as their father, why shouldn't he be concerned !? I was painting a hypothetical picture of, how, if it went to court, a shit hot soliciter could twist the Op in knots......

Although Tyoo, ' Bollocks ' is probably the epitome of your vocabulary......

Fishface77 · 12/10/2017 08:36

Have you got kids back yet op?

serialcheat · 12/10/2017 08:38

Court;

Ex's solicitor: So you left two older school children to manage two infants, all day long, with all the inherent possible dangers that could be involved !? '

Tyoo: Representing Op. ' Bollocks '

Result

Nice one

serialcheat · 12/10/2017 08:47

Op, I sincerely hope you've got the kids back, I don't agree with leaving four kids alone for a pro - longed period of time, but inherently, you sound like a good and loving Mum.....

I'm suggesting be prepared, your Ex may already have spoken to or engaged a solicitor...... If he's serious about having custody and only you know if he's bluffing or not.....

SuburbanRhonda · 12/10/2017 09:02

I had a similar situation with a family I worked with.

Get your education welfare offficer or attendance officer on board, OP, and if necessary ask them to send him a letter telling him he is responsible for making sure his children are in school unless they are sick, and warning about fixed penalty notices for unauthorised absences of more than five days.

Witchofthenorth · 12/10/2017 10:50

Don’t have them back yet. He has agreed for me to have 3 kids back tomorrow but he is keeping my oldest daughter. I don’t know what the fuck is going on. I can’t even speak to them Sad

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SuburbanRhonda · 12/10/2017 10:52

Then please contact your EWO, OP.

If he's keeping any of them out of school for no reason he can be prosecuted.

misscph1973 · 12/10/2017 10:53

Why on earth would he keep one child only?

Shadow666 · 12/10/2017 10:56

Don’t have them back yet. He has agreed for me to have 3 kids back tomorrow but he is keeping my oldest daughter. I don’t know what the fuck is going on. I can’t even speak to them

What!? It's not Sophie's Choice. I hope you can get the court order sorted soon.

Shadow666 · 12/10/2017 10:57

Why on earth would he keep one child only?

I'm guessing the others are too much work and his partner said no.

mogulfield · 12/10/2017 10:59

I just wanted to offer some non judgmental support Op. As parents we know our kids, and some young teenagers are incredibly capable. If we always do everything for them and never give them responsibility how will they cope when they leave Home?
I had (mainly male) fiends at uni whose mothers did everything for them, including a 19 year old who didn’t know how to make a cup of tea (he’s a banker now Grin ).

In other cultures 13 year olds are given great family responsibilities...but we often molly coddle ours.

I hope it all works out for you and you get them home Flowers I was raised by an alcoholic who constantly left us alone from a young age (5-8 year olds). Now THAT is neglectful.

PhelanGood · 12/10/2017 11:00

What a bitter man your ex sounds. If he cared so much for the kids welfare he would not be tearing them from school for a week over something so trivial as this. I was watching my younger siblings for hours when I was age 12 and my mum was fiercely overprotective, she just knew I was mature and sensible and trusted me. It's not like you were off to an all day boozing session! Good luck dealing with this but I don't think you'll have a problem, ss see far far worse!

Galaxyfarfaraway · 12/10/2017 11:03

If it's the oldest does he now want her for babysitting? As ss have told you she's fine to do it? Hmm

Mix56 · 12/10/2017 12:34

I was going to say that galaxy, or, he is keeping her so that you won't have the oldest to look after the other 3
or, she has said she will stay there to avoid babysitting?

She could vote with her feet, can't you call her & tell her to get a bus?
You need to get this sorted so that it doesn't happen again

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/10/2017 13:31

He can’t keep your oldest daughter. Legally she gets to decide who she lives with if it goes to court.

Does she have access to money or a bank card to pay for a ticket? Could you tell her to get on the train and come home?

GrockleBocs · 12/10/2017 14:10

He probably thinks she can help look after the 3 that live at his...

Witchofthenorth · 13/10/2017 09:19

Hi all, just letting you know, I will get back and update soon, just in a flurry of trying to sort this out.
Spoke to my oldest daughter briefly yesterday and she told me she wants to stay with her dad but just shrugged her shoulders when I asked her about it.

I actually suspect that she thinks it is going to be better, which is fair enough. Her dad and his partner can take her out, have bought her concert tickets and stuff, they kids don’t have the boring bits of family life up there.

However, I will come back later with a proper update. I thank you all ladies, you have helped me stay strong. Flowers

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Fishface77 · 13/10/2017 09:25

She'll be back soon enough op, once the rose tinted glasses have fallen and she realises that looking after her siblings for a couple of days is very different to being an on tap babysitter like they will probably expect!
Hope your looking after yourself too!

PerfectPenquins · 13/10/2017 09:25

Good luck today

Mummyoflittledragon · 13/10/2017 09:26

Good luck Flowers. I expect your dd will at some stage see the grass is greener. I hope she doesn’t trash her education if she decides to stay up there. It’s always fixable but not desirable

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