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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 02/10/2017 21:28

It's ok, mortal. Think of it as emotional rewiring that is preparing you for a proper relationship in the future. So messy and painful, but short lived and allowing you to function better in future!

UkuleleRose · 03/10/2017 07:15

Twenty-five years! lol / I'm 55

Do you ever want to tick some life experience boxes?

Sensitive Old Guy - well, if you're talking about Way Too Young Dude, if the offer was made, I wouldn't turn him down! lol

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 03/10/2017 13:43

UkeleleRose, I was indeed!

thegirlupnorth · 03/10/2017 14:05

Just catching up on the thread. I think his response is very strange...although if he's said it does he mean dangerous in that it'll accelerate things. What a pity. I hope he seeks you out and apologises for being such a prick!

MargoLovebutter · 03/10/2017 14:17

I am so impressed by what you did Mortal. You have saved yourself months of angst by being a bit brave.

I don't think we can work out what is going on in his head - although I like Carelessdad's take on it. The reality of it is, he didn't take you up on your suggestion, but said something a bit twatty. Maybe he did walk in an oval for 36 hrs or maybe he didn't. Doesn't matter, you can now go about your business and not be torturing yourself with a "what if".

MortalEnemy · 03/10/2017 17:55

Don't be too impressed, Margo. It is 5.30 pm and I have eaten two bites of an apple and three cups of coffee since yesterday (#Heartbreak Diet) Blush, during a ferociously busy day during which I bumped into my colleague in an unexpected part of the building through which I was taking a shortcut. I pretended not to see him to see whether he'd speak because I am a teenager and when he came up beside me, he looked flushed and rather unlike his usual self, asked me what I was doing in a slightly confused way, and showed no inclination to linger when our ways parted.

The whole thing was over in 20 seconds, and while his behaviour seemed very changed from that of the man who has often spent an hour by the lifts talking to me (only a few days ago!), it could be down to something else entirely. I know he's under a lot of work pressure.

Or we could go back to the interpretation of 'that would be dangerous' that means 'You're pestering me and taking up too much of my time'...?Only I don't think I was! I'm fairly sensitive to body language/boredom signals etc, and he seemed to be enjoying our conversations every bit as much as I was. I don't think I was the office pest.

I'm now quietly furious with myself (for minding so much) and him (for despite everything still having the ability to make my stomach lurch and for managing to look rumpled and slightly sexy while being visibly uncomfortable/stressed). Grr.

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badbadhusky · 03/10/2017 19:32

Hmmm. That is confusing, although gratifying that you seem to have thrown him off kilter. I know it's agony for you at the moment, but I am fascinated to see how this plays out. Promise you will keep us posted. MN needs more data points so we can better advise lovesick, confused 40 somethings. Flowers Wine

TinkleWoed · 03/10/2017 20:11

Really hoping this thread goes the Somerville and Nocapes way Grin I'm getting positive vibes from the ether about the whole thing. Fingers crossed..

Saffronwblue · 03/10/2017 20:43

I think there is something going here. Hope he has nice friends giving him advice in the background.

MortalEnemy · 03/10/2017 21:26

I'm pretty certain he doesn't, Saffron, just as I'm as certain as I can be without hiring a private detective that he's single -- I think he's one of those extrovert-seeming introverts who seem like natural 'people' people, but who are in fact deeply private and need a lot of time alone to recharge after engaging with other people. My sense is that, not unlike me, his friends are scattered widely because he's moved around a lot, and while they're important to him, he doesn't see them often. I think he lives for work, and it's very much not a 9 to 5 type of work, and his children.

I mean, I have very good friends, but haven't told anyone other than you lot about this, because it feels juvenile and embarrassing in the absence of any indication he's interested.

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carelessdad · 03/10/2017 23:54

Mortal, forgive me for imposing my views once again.

Today, the situation (I originally typed ‘you’, but that’s wrong) took him by surprise, and he again didn’t know what to do, so did something as pretending to hide behind the nearest potted plant wouldn’t work. I’m surprised that he didn’t squeak ‘Eeek’ on seeing that you were there.

If you’d initially made a mistake with the coffee invitation, he would have had a chance to think about things and brazen it out when he next saw you. The fact that he didn’t means that he’s now back in his oval, in the dark, and kicking the hydrangea every time he passes.

You now have two options, only one of which I’d recommend. Firstly, you wait until he’s passing the photocopier room, in which you’ve already ensured there’s a lock on the door, and closeable blinds, and I’ll leave the rest to your imagination. Alternatively you go up to him when there is no-one else around, apologise for any awkwardness or surprise your comment may have caused, and say that you do really enjoy his company and that the suggestion of coffee still stands. Then say that he doesn’t have to respond now, but you’ll come past his desk in 30 minutes to see what he thinks, and you hope that whatever he says you can still be good friends.

This gives him enough of a chance to really decide how to respond, even if he starts gibbering in front of you.

Some men really need a helping hand, and I’m sure that I missed out on what could have been wonderful relationships because she was initially put off by my tongue tied, incoherent ramblings when faced with a situation. There’s no downside in pursuing what makes you feel good, and doing what you can to get what you really want.

I apologise in advance if my musings here seem flippant. Life is too serious to be faced with anything but humour, and I hope that whatever I ramble on about can help you on the road to happiness, wherever that might come from.

MargoLovebutter · 04/10/2017 10:02

I have to say I disagree massively with carelessdad on this. DO NOT accost him in the photocopy room!!!!!!!

Don't go back for more at this stage, just be friendly in a work colleague way. If he is interested he will come back to you, he really, really will.

Remember you work with him. You don't want him telling everyone that you've got the hots for him & you are chasing him around the building.

I am naturally a bit of a coward though unless i'm prosecco fuelled so maybe I'm too cautious.

JustWonderingZ · 04/10/2017 11:19

Hi OP, you sound so lovely. All the signs say your colleague has got feelings for you, hence the ‘dangerous’ comment, him getting shy and fleeing, then looking uncomfortable and flushed when he saw you. If he was indifferent, there would be absolutely nothing to feel awkward about. Your suggestion of a coffee was neutral and perfectly ordinary. But his reaction has been everything butGrin

Keeping fingers crossed for you. It looks like it’s just a waiting game. He will pull himself together at some point (hopefully) and act Flowers

cresit · 04/10/2017 12:41

Sorry carelessdad, but no, OP has done more than enough, he needs to stop being such a wuss and say something.....preferably not Eeek.

Faint heart never won fair maid, and his heart is looking exceedingly faint at the moment.......too faint for the lovely OP, who needs to investigate online dating, Guardian Soulmates perhaps.

MortalEnemy · 04/10/2017 20:19

Careless, again a lovely post, but I'm not even considering jumping a man who let's not dodge the awkward fact can't commit to a cup of coffee. And as someone who, under a confident exterior, is in fact pretty shy herself, I do have a certain amount of sympathy with male shyness, but there are limits to how far I'm prepared to go to spell out a situation, without resorting to semaphore.

If someone has shown over and over again that she likes your company, and has asked you for a casual work coffee, you're not being asked to do anything drastic or unreasonable in saying yes, surely? Either he doesn't like me, or he's too emotionally constipated to even countenance a move to the cafeteria! And absolutely, as lots of you have said, if he didn't want to, the best thing would have been to say 'Sure, sometime', and then not follow up...?

The snag is, cresit, that I want this specific man, not any old Guardian Soulmate. I realise he comes across as wet past belief on this thread, but the man I thought I knew (before Friday!) is clever, funny, very well-read, multi-lingual, kind, attractive and very entertaining to be around, and a generous colleague. Unfortunately, he seems to combine this with a complete inability to function socially. Nothing I've said has suggested more than a friendly collegial desire to go for a coffee, unless I'm wrong and I'm making bedroom eyes at him across meetings.

Not a glimpse today.

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 04/10/2017 20:42

Have you moved to your new office in the arse end of your building yet? I guess one of the benefits of moving will be that you know he's deliberately sought you out if he turns up.

ShiftyFades · 05/10/2017 01:52

Oh OP, I think he likes you too, and he's very shy.

Any news today?

Tartyflette · 05/10/2017 02:51

I think it's almost impossible to tell whether he wants to change the relationship between you or not.

He seems hard to read, even though you describe him as funny, warm , interesting etc.
You made a very tentative gesture and it threw him completely. Which may mean that he just doesn't think of you as anything other than a work friend. Or not.

BrokenBattleDroid · 05/10/2017 03:43

This sounds excruciating, I feel rotten for you just reading it Sad.

I really do want to join in with the "but it's 'cause he likes you" brigade but can't quite being myself to because:

  1. It's actually affecting you physically. You need to pull back and ground yourself, not delve deeper into the possibility of his feelings being reciprocal (because they might not be so you mustn't torture yourself).

and

  1. He was actually a bit rude to you. Maybe unintentionally, possibly shyness. But if you were to end up in a relationship you don't want it to be with someone doesn't know when they need to apologise, nor someone who can't even tell that they've been hurtful. It's exhausting being with someone like that, whatever the cause.
TinkleWoed · 05/10/2017 08:27

Much as I wanted this to go down the romantic route Mortal, I have to agree with broken. If he did think of you in that way, he would have been mortified enough about his thoughtless comment to make some sort of voluntary contact with you by now. Even if not, decency would dictate an ice breaker conversation just to clear the air with a colleague who he's been close to in the past. You know,a light hearted convo so you can both laugh it off and get back to being corridor friends. He's not coming across very well from how you are describing his handling of this. You on the other hand sound wonderful and I'm thinking this is a trial run for someone else to come your way. Not through guardian soulmates though Grin

ColossalKalamari · 05/10/2017 08:42

Carelessdad is giving terrible advice! Do not apologise for asking for coffee and say you hope you can still be friends! That would be totally weird.

Ultimately you aren't responsible for this man's emotional constipation

Speakeasy22 · 05/10/2017 09:21

Are you sure he knows that you're now single? It sounds like your ex is still around. Maybe this guy thinks you're still involved with your ex?

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jumbleblob · 05/10/2017 15:00

I am sure others have said this but are you absolutely sure he is single? Most men, even if they only liked you a little bit, would not run off if you asked them if they fancied a coffee, unless they had a guilty conscience.
Often it's the people we think are lovely and shy and unassuming who are well aware of what they're doing and might even have an ongoing concern or too... not to speculate of course about somebody I have never met.
But they do say the quiet ones are the worst.

Timefortea99 · 05/10/2017 15:07

Please heed Broken's advice. Get on with your life. If he wants something more he knows where you are. It is lovely having a romance and lust object but it is exhausting too. Stop chasing him, or perhaps the fantasy of him. You sound lovely. His loss if he doesn't fancy you or he is just a wuss.