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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
BaconAndBees · 05/10/2017 19:00

Oh come on MNHQ!

JumpingJoey · 05/10/2017 19:38

Bacon are you on the right thread?

JumpingJoey · 05/10/2017 19:40

Oo just saw your previous message was deleted...

BrokenBattleDroid · 05/10/2017 23:10

Huh? What's the problem Bacon?

How was today at work OP?

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 06/10/2017 01:47

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MortalEnemy · 06/10/2017 08:06

Honestly, I'm not a wind-up merchant, and every word of this is true. (Although, as always on an online forum, there's no way to prove this. I mean, we could all be lonely lorry-drivers posting frenziedly from lay-bys in Bulgaria, I suppose.) I've changed details to make it less potentially identifiable, but I'm not doing a dry run for a workplace Mills and Boon I'm planning. The weight loss is real, too. One entire stone of teenage lovelornness down, as of today.Blush

I didn't post yesterday, because I was offsite all day, and I think people are either (a) hoping for some action in the photocopy room or (b) telling me, quite correctly, to move on, eat properly, get a babysitter and start dating in tones of increasing irritation. Which I do get. But I haven't yet quite moved on in my head -- I'm not pursuing him, within a week or two, I'll be working a long way from him in our building, and I'm trying not to dwell on him. I'm doing my best.

But, because he's latterly got such a bashing (which, again, I understand!) on this thread, I'll say again. He's utterly lovely. Whatever his considerable social shortcomings or his feelings for me, he is. On that note, I'll bow out.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for all the lovely, supportive, and bracing posts here. I'll reread when I need to give myself a good kicking. Flowers

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 06/10/2017 08:17

One entire stone of teenage lovelornness down, as of today.

Envy < envy

Don't feel like you have to bow out because the troll hunters have turned up. It seems to be the MN bloodsport du jour, but a lot of us aren't that bothered. It's hardly as if you're passing round a begging bowl for a boob job "to give you more confidence" or whatever. FWIW, DH and I met when we were young and I would probably be in a similar quandry to you if I was back on the dating scene.

cresit · 06/10/2017 09:06

What a shit post SensiveOldAgeGuy. I suggest you change your nn.

Please keep us updated OP, I for one would like to hear from you again.

tygr · 06/10/2017 09:23

Hi OP

You sound lovely and someone I’d like to be friends with. Whatever happens with this guy, I hope you can appreciate that he has reawakened a part of you that was lying dormant and whatever happens with him, that part of you is now ready to be out in the world again. And that’s a fantastic thing!

Can I tell you my very similar story to your situation? I had a colleague that would seek me out in work situations, come stand close to me, tell me all his innermost fears. We gradually became friends - sharing a lot about our lives with each other - and then I fell deeply in love with him.

He continued to do what I considered to be flirting with me until one day we were together at a social event and I told him that I’d rather like to kiss him now.

He literally ran away. Picked up his things and ran out of the building without saying anything.

An hour or so later he text to apologise.

Anyway. When we talked about it all - it transpired that he did have some feelings for me but he identified as gay and it was too mind blowing for him to contemplate being in a relationship with a woman. —I myself am bisexual so contemplating opposite or same sex relationships isn’t so terrifying—

He basically let me down very gently and respectfully.

After this conversation, however, his over-familiar, intimate and suggesting he wanted more behaviour continued and it eventually led to problems at work between us because I still had feelings for him and told him he wasn’t being fair to carry on the way he was.

Sorry - I’m trying to empathise with you. Seems it’s turned into therapy for me!!!

Anyway, sometimes men are shy but sometimes men enjoy a level of emotional intimacy with someone because it’s safe and they have no intention of following through with the scary parts of actually being in a real two-way relationship.

I hope your guy is the shy and socially awkward type but there might be a reason why he hasn’t taken it to the next level and ran - because he actually isn’t ready yet - or he will never be. —I don’t think he’s gay by the way!!—

Just protect yourself. Be kind to yourself. You were very very brave. I hope it works out for you but focus on your needs for a little bit.

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 06/10/2017 14:01

Thanks Tygr for reminding us there are all sorts of possibilities.

Wishing you all the best Mortal

Justonemorelatte · 06/10/2017 18:02

I think this has been a great thread.

I think that the default "he's too shy, ask him out!" resulted in a lot of similar situations for people?

Many of us have been, or will possibly be single/ looking to refresh and open up our dating /social lives at some point.

Overall it can be a fantastic existence: there ARE however some
pitfalls which I think aren't uncommon experiences?

Ive met a few work people who appear to want to extend their social connection with me (seeking me out to instigate deep conversations, asking to exchange personal numbers, saying "we must do drinks some time" )

Like the op, I'm not pushy, can read signals, wouldn't dream of forcing my company on anyone (if anything I'm on the quiet/sensitive side. I am "open to meeting new people" but not desperate and clearly enjoy my own life and company )

But when I respond according to their prompts, it's like "what are you talking about you desperate single type, ha ha I have REAL friends and I'm watering my plant that weekend . Oh I MIGHT go out with you socially at the last minute if you bombard me with invitations?"

It's a "thing" to watch out for social dynamics.

Not life threatening but it's a passive aggressive little power/control game?

Some people never get out of the playground hierarchy mentality and love to subtly goad others into appearing desperate or needy so they can go "I'm uber desirable with all these stalker types after me! "

Even if they're quiet "nice" types, they're raging manipulative attention whores underneath.

Or it's a control thing: they want to ensure that if an interaction does progress, it's based on the other party doing all the work/"chasing" whilst they sit back smugly.

I dated someone who was consciously trying to meet other women after asking to be exclusive (casual dating so not the end of the world)

he claimed all these women he encountered (allegedly) were socially pursuing him out of the blue with NO instigation or encouragement from him.

So of course I had to "up my game" and pursue him too because he couldn't help all these women after him. Yeah and I'm Kate fucking Middleton Grin

It's not gendered - I think it's like women who consciously "friend" men they don't know on social media, post photos (im anti slut shaming but they aren't of them with no make up and work clothes Hmm ) invite comments from the men, then saying "I feel so harassed and these men are so icky!" Confused

It's low level gaslighting really.

Lambzig · 06/10/2017 20:57

OP I have just read your thread and clearly the man is deluded. Grin Anyone who can reference PG Wodehouse while nursing a hangover should be beating men off with a stick. I wish I knew you in RL.

Please dont let this knock your confidence, you sound lovely.

NeonMist · 06/10/2017 23:21

Dear Mortal, regardless of what might happen in the future with your co-worker, it's understandable that you're heavy-hearted and lovelorn at present. You seemed to have a great emotional connection, and you will most likely experience loss; loss of the interaction, loss of a fantasy, loss of him. As Tygr said, perhaps one day you'll be able to appreciate that the interaction with your co-worker has re-awakened you romantically, and you might be able to be open to other men as well. I know myself that it's easy to shut out all romantic, and become almost asexual when you're single and have a small child as your child is your priority. However, it's quite invigorating to be romantically awakened isn't it? I would certainly welcome it! Take care Mortal

ToHisMistress · 07/10/2017 07:39

Lambzig in my experience most men would prefer to be beaten off by hand.

As you were.

EmmaJR1 · 07/10/2017 08:27

I really want an update from OP saying he's found her in her arse end office and apologised for being a twit and they've gone for coffee!

BaconAndBees · 07/10/2017 15:50

Sorry OP, my mistake BlushFlowers

AlessandroVasectomi · 07/10/2017 18:31

in my experience most men would prefer to be beaten off by hand

situation with my colleague
Jakethekid · 10/10/2017 11:03

Any update op?

MortalEnemy · 12/10/2017 00:15

Nothing dramatic, but he's come by my office twice in the last few days on entirely trumped-up excuses (one was asking where another colleague's new office was, and I only realised afterwards that as he and the other colleague actually swapped offices in the first wave of a departmental reshuffle, and were carrying boxes in and out together, of course he knows where her new office is... Grin) And I had asked him to read something only tangentially work-related as a favour, which he could have dealt with in a ten-word email, but printed out and came over with and spent a lot of time on doing a kind of sexy, hair-rumpling thing.

So our time-evaporating hall conversations are now in my office, and involve actually sitting down, but even though I'm ovulating and I constantly have to fight the urge to kiss him I'm preserving my sanity and if not playing it cooler, exactly (see previous remarks about kissing and weight loss) then usually being the one to break it up.

I did manage to pull off one thing to my own satisfaction, involving appearing in the right corridor at the right moment, with a new haircut and an old, lovely silk dress that now fits me well again because of the heartbreak diet when usually there's a strong correlation between looking like a bag lady and seeing him. Whatever happens, it felt like a minor victory...

OP posts:
cresit · 12/10/2017 00:26

Ooooohhhh.... here we go again OP.

RoseWhiteTips · 12/10/2017 00:28

Yay!

ferrier · 12/10/2017 00:39

This is good news for all of us that are over invested in this thread Grin

Getttingbackinthesaddle · 12/10/2017 00:43

Just read this thread and so pleased I did Smile Very very promising update OP. It’s gonna be a slow burn but so worth it in the end is my prediction Grin

tygr · 12/10/2017 00:44

Good news. All is not lost.

Flowers
SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 12/10/2017 00:51

Watch what you say there Ferrier hahaha