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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 01/10/2017 15:40

I also enjoyed CarelessDad's post, particularly the 36 hour sponsored walk. Grin

I need to come back to the assertion by a PP that a man who is too useless to ask you out is a rubbish relationship prospect. I flirted outrageously with DH for a year, made my interest (I thought) clear and, eventually, asked him out. He said no & half-heartedly ran away in panic. He then asked me out a few months later. We've been together for nearly 25 years. He is an excellent husband and father, just crap at dating intrigue.

EmeraldIsle100 · 01/10/2017 16:14

Bad you're right I was being overly harsh. I will lose that theory of mine. Lots of guys are just shy and would make great partners.

badbadhusky · 01/10/2017 16:17

Sorry to drag this discussion into the gutter, but LurkingHusband's 9 1/2 weeks commentmade me wonder if the OP's reluctant colleague had to flee to conceal a raging hard-on. Grin

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 17:11

Ukelele, can I ask whether, before you started telling them to go away, you were an equal participant in these conversations, or whether you were the one nodding along to a male monologue? And did you ever try to move the situation with the man you liked on to a romantic level, and if so, what happened?

I was always an active participant, being that I can't keep my mouth shut. On one occasion, about six months ago, I finally tried to nudge NMNK into at least seeing each other outside the office, by saying if he ever needed a 'pal' to go to X, Y, or Z lecture (he'd said he always went to these alone, and they did actually sound interesting) to let me know. He hasn't. We did go for coffee once at his suggestion, so he could tell me about his very exotic trip.

I guess if the attraction isn't there, the attraction isn't there. On his side, at least.

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 17:21

*Sounds emotionally mercenary but as an older single woman I don't actually hugely value building a collection of unattached/unavailable men as close friends?

I'd rather be doing Pilates or on a date on Friday night than be comfort chat woman for Dave in accounts who finds me "easy to talk to"

I don't think this progresses my own needs and emotional life one bit.

Men don't tend to "set single female friends up with eligible mates" or do organising/ "Wifework" in friendships so it just feels like a one way emotional "give" street?*

Oh, my gosh, Just, this is it exactly! I'm the work wife! Oh, HELL, no!

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 17:24

I will admit to a big attraction to Way Too Young Dude, to the point he caught me looking at him in a meeting. I immediately panicked, and after the meeting plastered a big smile on my face and asked if he wanted me to set him up with a lovely young friend of mine. Thank God he said no, because there was no lovely young friend. KMN.

PsychedelicSheep · 01/10/2017 17:38

Hmm, how young is too young? My DP is 11 years younger, don’t be so quick to write him off!

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 17:59

Twenty-five years! lol

I'm 55 (JHC, when did that happen?), and the only men who find me attractive are geriatrics. Just the other day I was asked out by a veryveryveryvery much older man at the grocery store.

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 18:00

I said no. I'm not going to nurse another man through his final illness. BTDT.

SonicBoomBoom · 01/10/2017 18:26

Ukulele I'm enjoying the challenge of working out your acronyms Grin

WhiteHairReally · 01/10/2017 18:33

I have just checked out your 'Friday After Work Situation' OP with DH, a man in the same age bracket as the chap in question.
He says that the chap must be feeling a right chump now.
Stop beating yourself up ( you are lovely) and wait. Trying not to live a vicarious life, but I'm looking forward to your Monday.

Justonemorelatte · 01/10/2017 19:07

I agree op sounds like a class act, tbh I reckon when she gets the babysitter sorted and gets socialising/ online dating properly it will be like "oh my god, all these lovely men and I don't know which one to pick, can I keep three on the go?"Grin

Ukelele, like you I'm not a clingy or needy person and am fairly emotionally independent and good humoured and low maintenance but some of these guys really take the urine.

I don't mean I'm even attracted to them or want them to see me sexually - like you, I wouldn't want to go out with most of them.

But it's like I'm meant to be "flattered that they want to confide their drama in me" Confused

They don't ever want to "try out a new restaurant", or do something pleasant (I mean go to a Costa and pay my share, not take me to the Savoy! )

they want to dump their shit on me (via the cheapest and "easiest" method possible - free text messages or online messenger anyone? Angry)

then waltz back to their "real life" feeling refreshed but having passed all their negativity onto me.

There's a huge element of sexism in it - it's like they can't believes reasonably personable single woman isn't "flattered" to have their "friendship" ( which basically is nothing like even the minimum standard of social contact - I had one guy tell me he was "up for doing things out of work if I organised them and then I could let him know and he'd decide at the last minute if he wanted to come along!")

Years ago now (I dealt with it well in the end ) I had an unpleasant bullying situation at work

someone who was Mr. "I come and talk to you all the time about my life and partner because I'm your work FRIEND" was like a chocolate teapot - when I talked about the situation he just blanked me and glossed over it.

(because it was my social "job" as a woman to listen to his problems about his life, but I wasn't allowed to have any of my own Hmm)

There should be a word for this, it's like a special case of Wifework for male "friends"

MortalEnemy · 01/10/2017 20:58

I've got the Sunday night blues, and am currently inclined to think the thread's wise cynics Just and Ukelele might be right, and my apparently lovely colleague just sees me as a work wife and failsafe confidante, and ran away because going for coffee was more 'friend commitment' than he wanted, rather than because he was overcome by the depth of his feelings (or concealing an erection). Grin

Not that I'm not loving CarelessDad's 36-hour sponsored walk of torment idea. (Thank you, that was a very lovely post, among other lovely, generous posts.) I genuinely don't think he'll be kicking himself, though, because I honestly don't think it can have sounded as if me asking him for coffee was particularly significant. He'd seen me with his own eyes having coffee with a new colleague the same day! It wasn't code for 'let's take our clothes off in the photocopier room'...

No one should hold their breath about tomorrow, whether I work from the office or not. We have no meetings together scheduled for weeks, I'm not going to engineer an encounter, and there's no work reason for him to seek me out. I might not see him for a week or more. Sad But maybe that's a good thing.

OP posts:
UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 21:00

Whoops, sorry, Sonic! Glad you're enjoying it. Lol!

Yes, you exactly nailed it, Just. What makes it worse for me is that it's literally my job to interact and be pleasant to everyone, but hell, if I was a therapist I'd make a whole lot more money!

One thing a friend recommended when I first started this job is not to friend anyone at work on social media, and with the exception of one gal (we've developed a friendship outside work), I've taken his advice. It doesn't help with the day-to-day baloney, but at least I don't have to put up with them outside of the office.

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 21:07

(((OP)))

I'm truly didn't mean to sound cynical, and I very much hope my post didn't get you down in the dumps. It's so hard to figure out signals, sometimes! The problem is, I used to be pretty back in the day, so when men take the time to seek me out and chat, I still assume their motivations are the same as a hundred years ago, when I was cute. When it finally dawned on me it wasn't, that was a killer, both from social and aging aspects. Also, like Just said, there's nothing in this for me except low-grade sadness, and I don't have time for that in my life anymore.

UkuleleRose · 01/10/2017 21:09

Your case is very different, of course, and you're much younger than I, so please take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Like PPs have said, however, yes, get your babysitting situation ironed out and go socializing!

WhatsGoingOnEh · 01/10/2017 21:13

OP, are you sure he's single?

PsychedelicSheep · 02/10/2017 06:57

I thought that. The ‘dangerous’ comment sounded like he had a partner to me.

SensitiveOldAgeGuy · 02/10/2017 12:26

UkuleleRose

Twenty-five years! lol / I'm 55

Do you ever want to tick some life experience boxes?

bluit · 02/10/2017 12:49

SensitiveOldAgeGuy, Tinder perhaps?

picklemepopcorn · 02/10/2017 17:53

I know you told us not to hold our breath but Sad . Can't help it...

MortalEnemy · 02/10/2017 19:01

Oh, pickle, sorry. Sad I didn't accelerate my office move and worked solidly in my usual office all day, and not a glimpse of him.

Actually, I tell a lie I was talking to another colleague in a crowded communal area being used for a conference lunch, and caught a glimpse of him from behind, walking past talking to someone else. I don't know whether he saw me or not but I had that heart-stopping sensation, because I am a lovesick idiot who has probably lost another couple of pounds and had worn her nicest dress--.

But I think I have to get past the nice, face-saving story that he spent the weekend pining and pacing in his garden, and embrace the alternatives. And, joking aside, I feel pretty low about it. Sad Angry

But thanks to all of you again. I did actually feel you all in my corner shouting 'Don't go and hang around outside his office looking lovelorn!' Mumsnet kept my dignity for me today...

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 02/10/2017 20:02

I know you're having a tough time of it, but you're really selling the 'lovelorn diet' to me. Keep on truckin'.

MortalEnemy · 02/10/2017 20:12

bad, it's freakishly effortless, though I don't recommend the completely unreasonable misery that goes along with it. Blush

The irony being that I have the kind of looks that look much better when I'm thinner, only my colleague isn't going to so much as notice, is he... Grr.

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 02/10/2017 20:20

He may yet, unless he's a lying, cheating, not- single flirt-bag as a couple of recent posters suggested.

If it doesn't come to anything, you can at least thank flirt-bag for getting you into dating condition and ready to find someone who will fall at your feet & worship you. Wink

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