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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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Mix56 · 05/12/2017 16:11

I'll just lob this grenade , Invite him for Xmas too !!!!! (I know you'd need to get permission from your family, & he will be having his DCs, but the gesture is what you do for a friend who is in his position, alone & missing his home/folks

Mix56 · 05/12/2017 16:12

strike through fail !

MortalEnemy · 05/12/2017 16:37

This, I'd decided last night to back off and protect myself against probable heartbreak just be a good friend to someone who was in pain and who was being commendably stoical and non-self-pitying about it all, and then realised again today just how much I am going to miss seeing him all the time, the way you do when your offices are only down the hall from one another, and which won't be possible after today -- and how much I am going to miss him over Christmas and NY. I really, really like this man, for all his maddening foibles, complications, obliviousness and blowings hot and cold, and if someone produced a crystal ball and said he was going to go back to his wife/enter a monastery/decide to explore sleeping with men, I would still absolutely want him as my friend. He's so odd, and tender, and clever, and kind, and so much himself.

Somehow that feels far more complicated than lust-and-liking and what-am-I-wearing-to-the-Christmas-thing. Though that may be also because I am exhausted, will have to take a lot of work home with me, and haven't eaten anything apart from an apple since yesterday.

Also, if you haven't got a lump in your throat by now, I'm typing this from an office that's completely empty apart from a few crates, my laptop and my bag. I am about to stick a 'Mortal and Officemate have moved' sign on the door... Sad

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EBearhug · 05/12/2017 16:41

Please eat, and sleep. That always makes life easier to deal with, whatever is going on.

gleerocks123 · 05/12/2017 17:53

Mortal, I’ve been reading but just had to respond - you sound so great, and Rumpled sounds like a thoroughly top chap. Maybe this office move is actually a good thing - so that you have to move beyond standing in corridors and have to have more frequent coffees and lunches. And the fact that he’s confiding in you about his feelings and worries about Christmas is a good thing! Bringing you closer together hopefully. Rooting for you...

MeMeMeMe123 · 05/12/2017 18:02

Mortal can you allude to what he wrote in the email that was so sweet/endearing??

I still think your situation has lots of promise x

I remember feeling this way about an old friend. He's very himself too and that's so attractive - foibles and all. A soulmate in another life perhaps but cant be in my life now. I treasure his friendship and respect his pov massively..

MissSmiley · 05/12/2017 18:08

What was the very sweet thing he buried in the email?

NoSquirrels · 05/12/2017 19:41

Mortal it sounds like it's definitely moved to a level of intimacy and confidences, and whilst that is confusing because you are empathising with his hurt, it is actually a positive sign that he is letting you into his world and trying to show you his emotions.

ThisIsTheRightTime · 05/12/2017 19:42

Dear Mortal, whilst our situations are quite different I must say your last post has touched me greatly. I've been totally endeared, and frustrated, by a brilliantly-minded man who makes me laugh like no other. And yes, I fancy him rotten Smile In a quite different way to R, I am sure, his past sadness has got in the way of a proper relationship although we were both equally attracted to each other. All I wish to say is that, despite a certain scepticism from some of my friends, I truly would have been grateful and happy with a friendship with this man. He has been so supportive during the last months of my father's life and beyond.

As I have written; your relationship is quite different and has every chance of success. But yes; a friendship at the least would have been wonderful.

Mix56 · 05/12/2017 21:50

Mortal, Slow Down !!! how many times do I say this, You are gagging for this man, but he is slowly slowly getting up to speed. Daring, against all probability.
Wait for the Xmas bash, Wait to see what happens when you move offices. just wait to see if this can evolve... He may suddenly realise he misses you madly. There are several thing happening with you both re work & party/off site/trip.
Stop rushing.

MortalEnemy · 05/12/2017 22:22

What R said that touched me so much was based on a misunderstanding. Careful readers of this thread might remember I was disappointed about a work issue last Friday -- this was a promotion I found out I didn't get, and which I was desperately hoping for for the extra money, because I'm barely making ends meet since Ex and I divorced.

Anyway, I mentioned to R in passing that I was going to have to seriously consider looking for another job with a higher salary which I am and he looked shocked and said something inarticulate, but it was a hurried conversation in passing, and I was juggling office move stuff. Then in an email written from my forlorn empty office, in which I'd been chasing him for some information I needed, I was thinking more about my office move than my future, and I said as a sign off, in what I thought was an obviously joking tone, 'You'll miss me when I'm gone!' -- meaning when I'd moved office.

He replied with the information I needed, but then seemed to think I was saying I'd actually quit, and wrote 'Don't go. Don't go. Don't go'.

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MortalEnemy · 05/12/2017 22:31

Sorry, x-post with several people. MeMe and This, I get you. Some people get under your skin, don't they? Mix, I am so not rushing, I am the most cautious and patient of women. Apart from on here. Grin

But I should probably breathe. I did eat dinner tonight, and feel more ballasted.

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badbadhusky · 05/12/2017 22:37

Ballasted is a great word.

Lovely update Mortal. Sounds like R treasures you equally.

MNOverinvestor · 05/12/2017 22:50

Just jumping in. Having lost both parents, I can vouch for the fact that being an orphan, especially the period immediately afterwards is SO knackering. I was also in a similar(ish) position with a man, and it was only his extraordinary patience that meant we got together. Before we did, I had to battle my belief that I was over-emotional (and couldn't handle any more of life's rollercoasters), I wasn't worth having, that I'd be a crashing disappointment to anyone. We're still together and v happy btw. You sound lovely and most deserving of happiness. Is there anything you can bring back from shared homeland that you think he'd like? Food or something?

NoSquirrels · 06/12/2017 00:19

"Don't go. Don't go. Don't go."

That's rather more than "one very sweet thing buried in an email", Mortal. It's extremely hopeful.

But yes, slow down. See what happens. Bring food back from homeland. sounds good.

Tartyflette · 06/12/2017 01:11

That is sweet, Mortal .
Are you going to respond?

IndieTara · 06/12/2017 02:09

Placemark!

Saffronwblue · 06/12/2017 03:53

Oh that is strong.

Mix56 · 06/12/2017 07:49

Wow, "Don't go x 3", would make me literally lift off like Cinderella .
So..... There is hope !

badbadhusky · 06/12/2017 08:02

The truth of the Chinese curse ‘may you live in interesting times’ settles ever more heavily on my shoulders with each passing day. Tell me Trump threadsters, how does one tell the difference between a temporary historic blip and the end of days? (Just listening to the US Jerusalem article on the news....)

badbadhusky · 06/12/2017 08:03

Aw shit, wrong thread - sorry Mortal. Blush

Slartybartfast · 06/12/2017 08:03

Indeed,
Interesting times

Wink
MyOtherProfile · 06/12/2017 08:12

Oh my word! He was bold! Hope you responded with some encouragement after that!

MortalEnemy · 06/12/2017 08:15

But I agree with all sentiments expressed, bad. I only don’t go on the Trump threads because it freaks DD out when her mother shrieks at the iPad...

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Zaurak · 06/12/2017 08:20

I was late thirties when I met a chap I liked at work. He was in a different country and we mainly chatted via messenger and phone but there was something about him. I was roundly mocked for this at work what with it being impossible, me being not exactly a looker, him being lovely and blah blah. There was much tiptoeing and not quite sureing and all that. Pie in the sky, what? Impossible dream... get some cats zaurak.

Reader, I married him... ;)