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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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StealthNinjaMum · 02/12/2017 09:21

Maybe Rumpled infected you - hence his lack of emails?

Joysmum · 02/12/2017 10:29

I’m one of those annoying people who like to do things in the way see as best. This means if I can’t do something to my standards then I’ll not do it at all and will do something else I am capable of instead.

So if he’s used to sending you long emails but he’s feeling crappy, he could be similar to me and therefore not replying at all rather sending sending something not up to scratch.

I realise it’s infuriating, but when you’re in it it’s hard to see it in any other way than your own.

MyOtherProfile · 02/12/2017 10:37

I searched the other day and again tosay and the GEG stuff by NoCapes has gone. Her old threads about her ex are there but not anything newer apart from one about being pregnant in August I think. So I wonder if she posted in chat or somewhere where the threads eventually disappear.

MortalEnemy · 02/12/2017 10:48

You could be right, Joys. It’s not so much that they’re just long, they are usually gloriously articulate, funny and thoughtful, and exactly like he is to talk to, minus the hair-rumpling — and yes, it’s been obvious once or twice when he didn’t fully cover his tracks as well as usual that he redrafts and edits them before sending. Which I find deeply endearing. Grin

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MortalEnemy · 02/12/2017 10:51

Oh, that explains why I couldn’t find it, then, Other, and why the threads I kept finding by her were so sad and concerning. She sounded like a real trooper, though. Delighted to hear she found happiness.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2017 11:05

Just to add another take on this, is there a chance he could have gone "off the boil" a little because he's worrying that you're out of his league? We women aren't the only ones who get nervous or afraid of rejection, and it's pretty obvious you're an attractive, resourceful and very articulate lady. There was that tease about you being "intimidating" too, and while I'm sure it was really meant as a compliment, maybe that also suggests he's feeling a bit unsure of himself?

Nobody's suggesting you fling yourself at his feet, but maybe a slightly more direct approach could be worth a try? Smile

reallyorange · 02/12/2017 11:32

it’s been obvious once or twice when he didn’t fully cover his tracks as well as usual that he redrafts and edits them before sending. Which I find deeply endearing.

omg dies

MortalEnemy · 02/12/2017 11:47

Puzzled, you’re very kind, but I am in fact on the plain end of ‘ordinary-looking’, so I find it hard to imagine that even the most self-deprecating man would think I was ‘out of his league’. I’d post a photo if it weren’t for the fact that virtually none exist of me, for exactly that reason...

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 02/12/2017 12:10

I'm sure you're doing yourself an injustice, Mortal, and anyway there's a lot more involved than just what someone looks like Flowers

No doubt this chap has his insecurities too, just like the rest of us, but remember that he knows you and has still been prepared (as a male poster usefully mentioned) to make an effort

No need to make a big deal of it, but why not just ask - lightly and cheerfully - "are we still up for (whatever)?"

mousemoose · 02/12/2017 21:55

I’m so sorry, I never do this but am blatantly place marking. I love this thread!

mousemoose · 03/12/2017 21:26

OMG I killed the thread / the romance / OP’s future happiness Shock

badbadhusky · 03/12/2017 21:28

Haha. No. This is a work romance, office hours Monday to Friday for the time being. Wink

YoungYolandaYorgensen39 · 04/12/2017 18:35

Any news? How's the cold? Not kicking your butt, hopefully.

NewLove · 04/12/2017 21:51

Yay the thread is back - I AM glad. Stupid troll hunters...

MortalEnemy · 04/12/2017 22:47

Oh, I haven’t gone anywhere. (And I’m still not a troll, though I gather the rest of Mn is infested with imaginative people with husbands having imaginary affairs with imaginary hot workmates...)

Today was kind of dispiriting, or maybe just sad, and makes me suddenly feel this isn’t going to go anywhere, even though we ended up talking for ages at the end of the day. Or maybe I just saw a new, more wounded side of him, or became very aware that he’s dealing with a lot of things of his own. Which was why he didn’t reply to my mails late last week. It feels like a million miles from the silliness of a few days ago. It might be a new stage or a retreat into friendship.

He’s still coming to help me out on my offsite thing, though. And I do now have his number. Though don’t think I’ll pluck up the courage to use it in the near future...

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Florene · 04/12/2017 23:05

What's happened Mortal? Sounds like something is bothering him?

Does he have your number also?

badbadhusky · 04/12/2017 23:08

You now need to establish some mundane to & fro on his mobile (eg “I’m headed to venue & grabbing coffee is Neros. Can I get u anything?”) I am sure some gentle chit-chat will ensue eventually, although your comment about him having a lot on is noted.

Chiconbelge · 04/12/2017 23:12

As you say, maybe a new stage ... he certainly doesn’t take things lightly, does he? But could that be a good thing?

NewLove · 04/12/2017 23:25

MortalEnemy MRHQ locked the thread whilst they 'investigated'...

badbadhusky · 04/12/2017 23:29

I missed that.

OhforfucksakeFay · 05/12/2017 06:10

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Brokenbutbreathing · 05/12/2017 08:51

Good grief! This should come with a health warning OP - I read the whole thing before going to sleep last night and woke up this morning from a very racy dream about a very hot and rumpled academic type Grin Rooting for it all to work out for you Smile

MortalEnemy · 05/12/2017 15:10

Oh, he's not being an arse, he's grieving for his father, who died in the summer (when I was on holiday, and R was only someone I was starting to find attractive), and this is the first Christmas he's facing without either parent and without visiting home. Plus, as he has no living siblings, and only a couple of cousins he doesn't know that well very small extended family I think he's struggling with what he sees as the final cutting off of his real ties with our home country (where DD and I will be for Christmas with family). And it's all being triggered by work stress with some big stuff culminating in the next two weeks, some of which also involves me, at a time I'm also flat out. (I have been at my desk since 8.30 am with one quick loo break, and it's now 3.05 pm as I write. ) At this stage, we'll both be attending the Christmas do in matching straitjackets.

On the other hand, we can't quite keep away from one another today, and have been continually talking and emailing, ironically on this last day I'm in my old office down the hall from his. And ironically, given how fatalistic about everything I felt last night, he's said one very sweet thing buried in an email. Sigh. Groan. Confused. Sad

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ThisIsTheRightTime · 05/12/2017 15:16

What has confused you MortalEnemy?

TheMShip · 05/12/2017 15:32

Bring him back a little something traditional from your home country after the holidays?