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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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UkuleleRose · 25/11/2017 01:03

Mortal, it may be that you need to decide what you want in a relationship before continuing to pursue, or not, this man. Presenting-on-the-Spectrum or not, he doesn't appear to be an Alpha male who is into the chase. From what little you know about his marriage, that his wife had to propose is highly significant. If you want to be the one to always have to do the heavy lifting, make plans, pursue, then this may be a match for you. If not, let him go and find someone else more compatible.

If you've never read it, I highly recommend Mars And Venus On A Date. It helped me immensely with relationships both dating and in my own family. Good luck! We've all been there, unfortunately. :-)

MortalEnemy · 25/11/2017 10:27

tygr, I have no entrenched ideas at all about men or women doing the asking out -- my reluctance is entirely down to (a) my complete inexperience in relationships, and the fact that as several posters have justly pointed out, I am really, really terrible at this stuff, and (b) the fact that I just don't have any real indication that the attraction is reciprocated. Everything from his side is easily explicable as no more than friendly collegial behaviour.

Ukelele, I do want him. I wouldn't give a hoot about not being 'pursued' if I had any indication he felt anything for me other than collegial good will. I am going to see whether he gets in touch.

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dizzy174 · 25/11/2017 12:05

when is your Christmas party?

Nicecuppatea21 · 25/11/2017 12:36

OP I don't see you as a crazy woman who is useless at reading situations. You sound lovely, funny and kind. STOP thinking about it all so much. Worst case scenario you don't hook up and he leaves. You can then email him and tell him you have feelings for him. If he doesn't feel the same you will survive.

If it doesn't work out with him think of this as cutting your teeth in the dating scene.

I cried when you mentioned your scars. My DD went through this and survived just like you. You should be very proud of yourself. BTW Vichy do a very good cover up cream.

I wish you all the best and I know deep down you will find love again. Don't ask me how I just know you will.

It's early days for you getting over a break up, working full time, having a young child in a different country without family support. Things will get easier. It won't be overnight but it will get better. I was in the exact same situation and things improved greatly for me. Other people admire you hugely for what you're doing.

I wish you were my friend, we would have such a laugh.

You really are wonderful. You should start a blog about your life because trust me lots of women are in the same shoes.

If he doesn't ask you out believe me it will be his loss! Look after yourself Flowers

Mix56 · 25/11/2017 12:39

He is spending hours writing emails !!! he is spending a lot of his spare time on you !! I'm think he feels something !

MeMeMeMe123 · 25/11/2017 14:26

Lovely warm post nicecuppa
OP remember you're the prize x

Apileofballyhoo · 25/11/2017 14:37

Just read all the updates since my last post - I can't believe I missed them. He is so into you, Mortal. He is more than likely going through much the same angst as you, and is possibly wondering if a relationship with a colleague is a bad idea, and possibly afraid of being hurt. But he can't stay away from you either! I think he's got you under his skin!

Apileofballyhoo · 25/11/2017 14:37

Old Pony, my cousin met his wife on elite singles.

meladeso · 25/11/2017 16:31

Oh I do hope this is the long game and it will gradually evolve into what you hope! Loved reading your thread

MortalEnemy · 25/11/2017 17:48

What a lovely post, Nice. I honestly don't think of myself as having it at all hard compared to other people, but it's true that I've just been trudging along for a few years without a great deal of emotion now I seem to have woken up and realised I was just moving along on a treadmill in a bit of a trance, and I'm a bit freaked out by how different I feel. Suddenly I'm moved by sunsets, have boundless energy, am reading poetry, smiling at random babies going past in pushchairs and being touched by the little glimpses of people's lives you see in lighted windows after dark etc etc much more of an appetite for life. I am a total cliché. Grin So I have had that, if all else fails, I suppose.

Christmas do is Dec 14th -- but it's perfectly possible we'll be stuck on opposite ends of a long table, so not necessarily expecting a great deal of that, other than that it's nice that he's going to something he doesn't usually. And I will make an effort with my appearance, just for the hell of it.

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Florene · 25/11/2017 18:17

Is it set seating at the Christmas do? If not, ask him in advance if he wants to meet for a drink before the meal, then go onto the meal together and make sure you sit together!

Nicecuppatea21 · 25/11/2017 18:38

You're waking up because it took that time to get back to being you after a baby, a break up and rest. You are a survivor and things will work out! You are stronger than you think. Keep your head held high.

Nicecuppatea21 · 25/11/2017 18:42

Sit at the opposite end of the table and have a blast! Nothing like playing hard to get! Works every time!

MyOtherProfile · 25/11/2017 20:03

ask him in advance if he wants to meet for a drink before the meal, then go onto the meal together and make sure you sit together!

This! Please please do this!

Oh except he doesn't know you know he's going...

MortalEnemy · 25/11/2017 23:46

Even if I thought it was a good idea, there's no time for a pre-Christmas dinner drink, as dinner is early, immediately after a big team meeting (my team, not his), so I imagine we'll all walk to the restaurant together straight from the meeting. I don't know whether anyone else from his department is going. (Of course I don't know he's going...)

I'll take a vote.

Should I

(a) somehow try to make sure I sit near him, by hook or by crook?

(b) sit at the opposite end of the table in an expensive DvF wrap dress and flirt pointedly with the three men in shorts who could not tell DvF from a bin liner and the HoD, who's married but always mildly flirtatious in a safe way with me?

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bluescreen · 26/11/2017 00:07

For goodness sake! Of course you should sit near him if you have the chance. He's your friend, isn't he? Don't you want to talk to him? Doesn't he want to talk to you? Please stop overthinking this.

bluescreen · 26/11/2017 00:12

Sorry, that sounded harsh. But really, it's not so difficult. Just be natural.
Flowers
Wine

tygr · 26/11/2017 00:19

Sit next to him and chat and then if the opportunity arises, slip away somewhere afterwards so you can get to know each other better.

By the way, my first ever asking out was done by text message after an agonising age of being too shy to even speak to the object of my affection. At least you're further along than I was but I did get there eventually. Hope you do too.

But don't put too much on this one evening or it'll build up too much in your head. If you can set something up before then it'll put you and all of us out of your misery!!

FlexTimeCheekyFucker · 26/11/2017 08:25

Just go with the flow. But don't flirt with the MIS or your boss.

Chikka1971 · 26/11/2017 08:40

Definitely try to sit next to him if you can. Please don't flirt with other men! I don't think this situation needs more ambiguity or reasons for him to back away. But at the same time try not to pin too many hopes on this night.....things may well develop for you at a completely unexpected time or situation. Who knows what's going on in his head?!!! We're all rooting for you OP. If it works out for you both we'll be beyond thrilled. But if it doesn't there is someone wonderful and gorgeous out there for you. I absolutely believe it Smilexx

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 26/11/2017 08:45

Sit at the opposite end of the table and have a blast! Nothing like playing hard to get! Works every time!

This is bad advice for someone as backward coming forward as him IMO.

MortalEnemy · 26/11/2017 08:45

In fairness, the Men in Shorts are unflirtable with, now that I think about it amiable, but I've literally never heard them talk about anything other than some of the more narrowly technical aspects of work and Rumpled knows perfectly well that although I do like my HoD, I am also regularly driven mad by his mansplaining.

Yes, R is my friend, and yes, I do always want to talk to him.

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somethingDifferent38 · 26/11/2017 08:46

sit at the opposite end of the table in an expensive DvF wrap dress and flirt pointedly with the three men in shorts
Don't do this unless you're trying to tell him you're not interested!? There's a world of difference between not being too obviously keen, and flirting with other people in front of him.

If you saw him flirting with other women, I'm guessing you'd probably take it as a sign that he was not that into you, and just wanted you as someone to chat with? He is very likely to interpret the same way.
I do sympathise with your position - I've had similar situations a few times, and one became a relationship, others didn't (tho in one case the bloke initiated a chat about what I thought was happening, because he didn't want 'more', and a colleague had noticed we spent time together and suggested we were heading that way!).
It may be worth considering whether your workplace is likely to have people who are gossiping as well, if you make too obvious a bee line to sit near him? I'm not saying thats a reason to avoid him, just that sooner of later you may encounter jokey comments, so be ready!

MortalEnemy · 26/11/2017 09:04

As I've said before on the thread, our workplace is rather dour and unsociable, with virtually no culture of going for lunch with colleagues, or friendships that seem to extend outside of work, at least in our cluster of departments. People simply don't talk a lot about personal stuff, and also as a lot of colleagues commute quite long distances, people know very little about one another's personal lives, so it's not gossipy as such. Yes, people would have to have noticed how much time we spend together, and there's been the odd joky 'Are you two still here?' comment on the corridor when we've been talking at length , but I'm pretty sure only my office mate knows my marital status, and it's perfectly possible his isn't generally known, either. We might just code to most as innocent corridor gossips.

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Saffronwblue · 26/11/2017 10:14

Sit as near to him as you can. If he is possibly on the spectrum and takes things quite literally he may see you flirting with others and think that that means you are more interested in them. He will completely retreat. You need to sit, chat, have some alcohol and say to him ' I really like you - do you want to hang out outside work?'