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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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OldPony · 23/11/2017 11:59

No! I'm certain the OP is legit!

MortalEnemy · 23/11/2017 13:15

If this were a novel, don't you think I'd have made something anything happen by now? It would be the novelistic equivalent of those Slow TV programmes on BBC4 where you just get a boat going along a canal in real time.

I haven't emailed him.

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StealthNinjaMum · 23/11/2017 15:05

That's a shame he hasn't been in touch. FWIW Op I have been with dh for nearly 20 years and I probably would be as hesitant as you if we split up and I met a new man. You know he's going to the Christmas do and hasn't told you and you'll be able to see how often he finds excuses to visit you in the new office. That'll give you a better indicator of how he feels but I still really think he likes you

holeinmyheart · 23/11/2017 15:13

But mortal this thread has 25 pages of advice and you are still cliff hanging......won't the juices of your ponani be dried up soon if you don't hurry up and DO something, anything?
I wonder if longing can develop like a banana does? Go slowly brown and mottled and then shrivel up?
Another 25 pages like these and you may have lost interest in him, as let's face it Mumsnetters are more interesting than some bloke who appears as though he is only going to get the message, if you lie stark naked along the top of his desk with a note pinned to your ponani that contain instructions as to what to do. Lol

OldPony · 23/11/2017 17:37

In my world, I've sacked off Porsche man as I just know I'm not the girl for him. As in, I'm a woman and I think he wants a trophy girlfriend.

I think this is a positive step in my serial shagging / looking for Mr Right!

Be brave mortal

MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 09:08

Old, you are an inspiration. How are you so sane about the whole thing? I get that practice must help, but you are exemplary. (And I'm being entirely sincere. I obsess about helping DD to develop emotional resilience because her mother doesn't have any. Blush Porsche Man is an idiot if he chooses a trophy girlfriend over you, and I bet you are extremely decorative anyway!)

In brief, yesterday was a damp squib. I cracked you lot made me do it and emailed him asking if we were still on for lunch, and had a hugely stressed-but-being-funny-about-it mail mostly in capslock back saying he couldn't, he'd been asked for new material for a major project he's been spearheading by the end of the day, and had a 2 pm 2-hour meeting he couldn't rearrange into the bargain. Which is all very well the project is huge, the work of years, very much his baby, and was recently knocked back at an advanced stage by senior management on ludicrous grounds but as I can't imagine he'd only been asked for the material yesterday, he could have said earlier he couldn't make it.

To add insult to injury, as I was backing out of my office just before 2 o' clock, carrying papers, trying to hold the door open with my foot and looking for something on my desk, he hurried past without acknowledging me. And yes, he was massively stressed and distracted, and late for a meeting, and I had my back turned, and was half in and half out of my office door, and it's unfair even to resent that though when has that ever stopped me?

I went home in a foul 'I've been completely misinterpreting his interest, and I'm friendzoned (not even that -- acquaintance-zoned?)' mood, then felt bad and emailed him to say I hoped the paperwork wasn't being too painful, and it turned out he was still at his desk, and it turned into an exchange about stargazing and novels that went on until he got chucked out of the building by security.

My problem is again that I'm doing all the running. And I'm turning into a panic-stricken psychopath because in my head, I'll never see him again after this week, apart from in the distance at meetings where he will give me a Polite Wave. For the first time in my life, I entirely understand the impulse that leads people to drive to the object of their affection's home at 3 am and hang around outside! Fortunately, he lives a long way away and I don't know his address Blush

Now is everyone convinced I'm not trolling this whole scenario for a romcom? At this point, the reader would be saying 'Oh, for fuck sake -- he's adorable apart from the fact that he never takes the initiative, and she's turning into a total bunny-boiler before she even kisses him...'

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Mix56 · 24/11/2017 11:14

Well if you can't or won't bite the bullet & ask him if he would consider out of hours going for a walk /pashionate sex / other.
It seems like you need to wait now till the Xmas party, see if he contacts you when you move office & then there's the work trip..

If nothing moves ahead you may have to send him a Happy Christmas mail. & say, "I miss our banter, infact I miss you."Are we really only office colleagues? I find myself asking myself if I am imagining this ? Please can you put me out of my deluded mind ?"

eddielizzard · 24/11/2017 11:55

i think you are doing too much running. sit on your hands. don't happen past his office. make him work for it too. being needy is unattractive. sorry to be so blunt, but you're heading that way...

StealthNinjaMum · 24/11/2017 12:20

It's really hard to advise without knowing either of you. From everything you've said he does sound interested but just not very good at making a move which is why I said earlier that i would wait for the xmas do and office move and just see how it turns out. Yesterday was shit but we all have busy days at work and he was still there late so it wasn't a lie. Given that your conversations can last an hour or more maybe he could've spared 5 minutes but not longer.

Perhaps I'm projecting because dh was like this. We were friends for about 2 years before anything happened and his attempts to 'woo' me were so subtle I didn't notice! We were part of a larger friendship group and it is probably good that dh was too nervous to make any big moves as I didn't initially find him attractive. Once the move was made things happened pretty quickly, I think I had the keys to his house after about 2 weeks!

MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 17:49

How was the move finally made after all that sublety, Stealth?

The one thing I do know about my colleague's marriage is that his ex-wife proposed to him, which I can't help but feel is highly significant at the moment . (And no, no idea why he told me that, in a random conversation about the city where we both went to university.)

Eddie, thanks for your bluntness. I think you're right. In fact, I'm a bit disgusted by myself. I haven't replied to a long email he sent today, I'm not suggesting coffee any more, and I'm going to tell him nicely I don't need his help on the offsite event, but thanks for offering. The work trip I can't get out of, though.

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MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 17:50

SUBTLETY. I may be deluded, but I can spell. Blush

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raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 24/11/2017 17:57

Eddie, thanks for your bluntness. I think you're right. In fact, I'm a bit disgusted by myself. I haven't replied to a long email he sent today, I'm not suggesting coffee any more, and I'm going to tell him nicely I don't need his help on the offsite event, but thanks for offering. The work trip I can't get out of, though.

No, that's going too far the other way! No offence but you really are bad at this! There is a difference between not doing all the running, and giving someone the cold shoulder.

Not replying to his email straightaway - fine, but do reply soon if he always replies quickly to yours.

Not suggesting coffee for a while and seeing what happens - also fine.

Turning down his offer of help for an off-site event - why would you do that? That's rejecting his advances / giving him the cold shoulder. He may take that to mean you're not interested. Don't do that unless you've decided you don't want this to go any further. Otherwise that's self sabotage / self-fulfilling prophecy territory IMO.

MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 18:10

I have literally no idea what is normal behaviour. Sad I just want to feel less out of control about this. I hate my inner needy bunny boiler. I appear on this thread to be a flaky madwoman whose job is a mere excuse for conversations in corridors and a lot of emailing, but I'm good at my job, very dedicated to it, and not in fact a total idiot. Not that you would know this from here.

Yes, I am spectacularly shit at all this, I'd be the first to admit it.

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eddielizzard · 24/11/2017 18:23

it is a very difficult line to walk. i think it is very significant that his ex made the move re. proposing. do you know why they're divorced? not suggesting you tell us, but it might also shed a lot of light on what you're experiencing now...

StealthNinjaMum · 24/11/2017 18:32

Ooh that's a hard question, I haven't thought about this stuff in years. He had seen me a few times with mutual friends in pubs and at parties and been too nervous to even talk to me. One day after about six months I bumped into him in a coffee shop (we worked very close to each other) and vaguely recognised him and one of us initiated a conversation and I probably suggested lunch. I had loads of male friends who I was never going to sleep with so I suppose I saw him as like one of them whereas he had a major crush and me suggesting lunch was probably a huge, scary thing for him. We went out a few evenings alone too, as friends, and he was (still is) very clever, funny, self deprecating. One night we went to a concert together and I stayed at his house (on the settee) and the next morning he came down and snogged me for a few hours. I have no idea what made him do that (especially as the more normal time for most men would be when we were both drunk the night before) but things worked out.

I agree with raisins (and again I am no expert) but there is a difference between not being pushy and giving the cold shoulder. I would just go at the same pace as him with regards to replying to emails / texts, accept the help politely and then see if he makes the effort to find you in the new office/ speak to you at the xmas do and work trip. I also think you need to follow the advice at the start of the thread which was about finding a babysitter and finding new interests and I say buy a new wardrobe to fit your fabulous new figure. You sound like such a lovely, funny person that all of us would like to know in real life and you need a boost to your esteem.

MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 18:33

I think she had an affair, and is now married to the OM.

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MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 18:50

Sorry, X-post with you, Stealth. Your husband sounds lovely. Had he spent the entire night upstairs psyching himself up? That's kind of wonderful that he came down and was all passionate in the cold, sober light of day!

I now don't know whether to reply to my colleague's email or not! Sad We both normally reply very quickly, and even on Fridays, when both of us usually work from home or offsite, it's within the hour.

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bluescreen · 24/11/2017 19:03

Don't delay further in replying or he will wonder what is wrong, but please don't turn down his offer of help - that's like turning him down! Just carry on as normal. But best wait till after you've replied before having a glass of wine. Wink

StealthNinjaMum · 24/11/2017 19:14

I have never thought about whether he had psyched himself up to kiss me. In fact tonight's the first time I've thought how weird it was he didn't kiss me when we were both drunk but I think he is generally quite respectful of women so maybe didn't want to take advantage of me.

I would reply and carry on as normal.

Has he had any girlfriends since his wife left?

JustWonderingZ · 24/11/2017 19:36

Mortal, do reply to him and accept his offer of help with gratitude. The worst thing you can do is give him a cold shoulder. He is all angsty as it is and being cold with him would create emotional hell for him. Remember that well trodden path in the garden?

Be friendly, smiley, breezy and easy to approach. Encourage him and show appreciation, but don’t cling. He cares for you. He is just needs a load of little help :)

MortalEnemy · 24/11/2017 19:53

Remember that well trodden path in the garden?

What, the one that we invented on this very thread? Grin

Stealth, no, I'm pretty sure not.

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tygr · 24/11/2017 20:27

I've forgotten now but is there a reason why can't you ask him out?

I'm bisexual so perhaps because I've had relationships with women and have been the asker rather than the askee with men and women, I don't see it as an issue.

The thing that pushed me to ask someone out was a horrendous situation with a work colleague where we clearly liked each other but before either of us could pluck up the courage to take it further, he was offered a new job and ended up leaving the country. Please don't let this go the same way.

raisinsarenottheonlyfruit · 24/11/2017 20:53

If you both usually reply quickly then do that.

If you're worried you're doing all the running with coffee then cool that but not everything else.

Mix56 · 24/11/2017 21:06

Mortal, I have said this before, he is probably at home raging at the old moggy that he is a fool, but has been dumped hard by his XW, he doesn't seem to know how to do this, , or have confidence that he won't make a fool of himself, or indeed be certain he can face it all again.
errr, actually a tad similar to you !
Don't give up, it would be silly to cut off all contact because he isn't up to speed.
Please reply to his email, & accept with pleasure his offer of help if he can afford the time, or he might have to meet at your house ! :o)

JustWonderingZ · 24/11/2017 22:07

Mortal, don’t despair Flowers I know it is extremely frustrating. It is not a popular belief, but guys can be very sensitive, too. I have got sons and I was surprised to see they also worry and fret about stuff, can be afraid to make that first move, to go up to the girl and start a conversation etc (I think girls can indeed be more confident and forward).

Look at it from a positive angle. You look and feel fabulous. You love coming into work. You have got an attractive man pining after you and thinking about you. Yes, some tangible errr results of this mutual attraction would be nice, but it is not bad on the whole :)