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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

OP posts:
badbadhusky · 20/11/2017 23:50

Draw on mindfulness grasshopper... Thoughts are not facts. You may think or worry that abandonment is imminent, but you don’t know that. In fact, you have mounting evidence of interest from Rumpled. My tip: do not rush to judgement, just wait to see what happens. When you catch yourself editorialising, just knock it on the head and wait it out. Learning to recognise when you are editorialising is a really useful skill. Wink

Mix56 · 21/11/2017 07:20

IMO, But he needs encouraging, & surmising, he is terrified too, he doesn't know if he wants a new girl friend, how will his girls react? what if he gets hurt again ? He swore that he wouldn't ever do it again. Maybe he is going to make a fool of himself, maybe you are just a friendly colleague.

also, you are who you are, it's pointless trying to be someone you are not ! If you are encouraging & it frightens him off, well it was just never going to be more than office camaraderie.
Moving from your current office may make him realise he has to act !
So whether he takes this from emotional affair to full on passion, remains to be learned.

MortalEnemy · 21/11/2017 18:20

Bad, you're right, I'm a total catastrophiser. I know I'm doing it, but it's my natural mode when I really mind about something! And you're right, of course, about the wisdom of waiting and not rushing off to conclusions even though that's so not me.

Mix, I think that what worries me is that minding about someone seems to change who I am! I turn into this clingy, anxious, low-level psychopath, rather than the devil-may-care heroine of a rom com. Something is making me feel weirdly bruised this week. I nearly burst into tears of gratitude on a dash into M and S when one of the staff led me to where the hummus was hiding, rather than just telling me.

Also, I think my inexperience shows, actually! Blush OldPony would not get herself into this state and nor would anyone over seventeen.

God, I was way more fun maundering on about cleavage and coffee, wasn't I? Grin

In nicer news, if I determinedly look on the bright side, he let me run a finger down the clipped short bit of his new haircut. I have a thing for that lovely velvet pile feeling of close-clipped male hair. And fortunately, there's still plenty to rumple...

OP posts:
Mix56 · 21/11/2017 19:00

Good Lord, that sounds pretty intimate !!!!
Things are moving on, even if not fast enough for you!

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 21/11/2017 19:07

YOU TOUCHED HIS HAIR?! 😍😍😍

MortalEnemy · 21/11/2017 19:40

I did. I am officially a Jezebel. Blush

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badbadhusky · 21/11/2017 20:11

Hair touching, you say?
You are now officially out of friendzone territory, Mortal!

Saffronwblue · 21/11/2017 20:22

Well he was right that coffee would be dangerous, then, wasn’t he? Hair touching - whatever next?
That teary, needy feeling you describe was always me being pre-menstrual. Hope it is that simple for you.

OldPony · 22/11/2017 13:26

Oh my god, that is such an intimate gesture! I am very impressed.

Meanwhile, Elite man and I have been messaging daily, which is lovely. But, I am having anxious thoughts about who he might be shagging!!

I need to calm the f* down, I haven't even met this man yet.

MeMeMeMe123 · 22/11/2017 14:03

OMG!! Hair touching....v v intimate imo....He's invited you into his space and permitted physical contact.
This is a fabulous thread .. you sound so erudite and quite fabulous OP...he'd be lucky to have you 😄

MeMeMeMe123 · 22/11/2017 14:39

OMG!! Hair touching....v v intimate imo....He's invited you into his space and permitted physical contact.
This is a fabulous thread .. you sound so erudite and quite fabulous OP...he'd be lucky to have you 😄

MortalEnemy · 22/11/2017 14:49

He's invited you into his space and permitted physical contact.

Or the other explanation is that I lunged at him, and he didn't run away in time...? Blush

OP posts:
picklemepopcorn · 22/11/2017 15:06

Mystic rose says.... I foresee a game of footsy in your future...

dizzy174 · 22/11/2017 17:35

oh this is a wonderful thread, thanks for the laughs

Ollivander84 · 22/11/2017 18:00

He has a cat? SOLD Grin

comfyshoelady · 22/11/2017 18:09

Oh this thread is lovely, you sound just like I'd be if I found myself single at this point. He sounds nice, I hope it works out!

LJ25 · 23/11/2017 08:48

This is the best thread I’ve ever read! It sounds like it’s going to be a happy ending for you Grin

MortalEnemy · 23/11/2017 09:04

You are all very sweet and encouraging, but I am sitting here at work chewing my nails, and resisting the urge to go down to his office (while this is still just down the hall, rather than a ten-minute walk away) and say 'Are we having lunch today?' Which I am definitely not going to do I suggested it earlier in the week and he said yes, but we never firmed it up or made a time because I feel as if I'm chasing him at the moment, with no idea of whether he would do the same back if I didn't. Which, come to think of it, has always been my problem in relationships of all kinds. I panic because I'm afraid people won't come through if I don't do all the running myself.

So basically, today it's a war of nerves (well, my nerves, anyway), about going out for a cup of coffee and a sandwich which never gets eaten, so I suppose we can leave out the bloody sandwich entirely. Grin

God, it's exhausting being this neurotic. I so want to be the kind of woman who never doubts her own powers of attraction, and can put on mascara without getting it on the bridge of her nose.

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MortalEnemy · 23/11/2017 09:09

And yes, he has an ancient, cranky cat who refuses to use cat flaps, and who occasionally pisses on his clothes as revenge if his water bowl is put in the wrong place. Grin

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tygr · 23/11/2017 10:25

Mortal, if you want to see him, please just ask him or you’ll miss your chance.

I’m in a situation with a man that I’m seeing where it’s usually me that initiates contact and it’s pants because my head turns that into him not being into me and his feelings having cooled but actually he’s always pleased to see me and is just a bit shy and rubbish at forward planning.

I get how it feels to feel that you’re more into someone than they are but focus on how you feel when you’re together and assess him on how he is then too.

Good luck x

OnTheRise · 23/11/2017 11:04

Go and ask him before I explode with the waiting. Please. The worst he can say is no, in which case you will get to eat your sandwich and we will all be here to commiserate.

OldPony · 23/11/2017 11:18

FFS! Ask him!

Tonight I'm going on a date with another bloke off Elite but only to keep busy. I don't think I like him. He drives a Porsche and is a bit of a wanker. I'm still keen on the bloke who's travelling. We spoke on the phone for the first time this morning and his voice wasn't as manly as his pictures.-yes I am that shallow-

NoSquirrels · 23/11/2017 11:23

Email him: Still on for lunch today?

holeinmyheart · 23/11/2017 11:40

Good grief....you are only 42. I know it is difficult and if you asked him out and he said 'no' it would be cringeworthy. BUT what if he is holding back because of the same reasons as you?
It would be like ' The Remains of the day' both longing for something but getting nowhere. Lol
There must be some way of clearing your decks, so that you can casually ask him to go somewhere with you.
You know what he likes....so what about getting two tickets to a cinema showing ( you were given the tickets by a friend?) it is in a week. Long enough for him to arrange childcare....have you not got a friend who would help out, this once?
Then explain to 'your object of desire' that the friend who gave you the tickets can't now go and offer him the two tickets. That way he won't think you are asking him out. Hopefully he will say no..let's go together..and then you will know, whether he fancies your pants ...or not.
Stop saying you are not attractive...as I am sure you are....you are very kind and sensitive and I am sure this must be reflected in your unlined 42 year old face. Beauty comes from within, plus false eyelashes, plucked eyebrows, well applied makeup and a stance that says 'I am great' in it?
Chin up, keep up posted as you are writing riveting stuff. You also write very well.....

holeinmyheart · 23/11/2017 11:44

Good grief I have just noticed when this thread started and it has hordes of answers. Perhaps the OP is writing a book?

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