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situation with my colleague

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MortalEnemy · 21/09/2017 19:05

Let me start by saying that I am over 40, but if I sound like the most clueless of teenagers, that is because I am in relationships terms -- I was with the same man from my teens until a couple of years ago, and as I've been single since, and am the busy working parent of a demanding small child with no evening childcare, as a result I have pretty much zero experience of relationships, flirting etc.

Which is why I'm finding this confusing and talking to a bunch of strangers on the internet about it.

I've been in my current job at a large organisation (being deliberately vague) for just over a year. Over the last two or three months, I've found myself feeling close to a colleague from another department with whom I have intermittent meetings/dealings, after only vaguely registering him as a nice guy before that. Recently we seem to end up drifting together at any events we're both at, and falling into conversations which end up often being very long and wide-ranging, and often end up hovering by the lifts or in the corridor talking more, if it's something at the end of the day.

I thought I was overthinking this while I was away over the summer, but now it seems to be becoming more frequent, if anything, and the conversations more personal. It's a busy period at work, with a weekend event and a conference we both had to attend, and in the last five workdays alone, we must have spent four or five hours talking at a reception/on the way out of the building/on the way to the car park. I'm finding myself thinking about him more and more, and realised I find him attractive. He's 48, clever, funny, observant, and kind, and apparently amiably divorced, but clearly a besotted and very involved father to teenagers.

The issue, I suppose is that I'm completely confused about what this means. The last time I was in this situation I was 18, pretty and confident, and I was falling in love with the man I married. Now I am in my 40s, no looker, and my confidence has taken a big knocking for various reasons in the last five years, when I found parenthood tough, my career foundered, my marriage ended and I haven't been particularly happy -- my marriage was celibate for the last few years, and I have not thought of myself as someone who could be considered attractive for a very long time. I also have none of the basic comprehension of men that an average, single 40something woman has. At some level I am terrified, but mostly what I feel is as though I'm a beginner at a language everyone else seems to speak fluently.

How on earth do you know if someone reciprocates your feelings? How can you tell the difference between someone who likes you as a workmate and someone who is developing stronger feelings for you? I have butterflies. I'm off my food. When someone says his name I get a rush of pleasure. I am a teenager in the body of a 42 year old professional.

I realise this probably sounds like a complete non-problem to anyone with experience of adult dating, but despite being a functioning adult I am absolutely unable to conceive that anyone would find me attractive, and while we gravitate to one another when we encounter one another at work and can't stop talking, it's always 'accidental'. He's very self-deprecating, and I sense he's been out of the game for a while, too. I'm especially wary because presuming something about a workmate could have horrible consequences. Also, we're both originally from the same country, though have lived in the UK most of our adult lives, so I wonder whether this might just be nostalgia for 'home' from him. But then I think of all the times when an hour suddenly melted away just standing in the corridor, and the fact that he remembers absolutely everything I tell him.

Thank you for struggling through this any advice? How does this sound to you? What would you do? A bit of me hopes you will all say 'predictable office crush all in your head no basis in reality, no need to do anything'.

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QuitMoaning · 12/11/2017 10:30

This is just lovely. How did I miss this thread before?

I have lots of male colleagues at work who I go out for lunch with and it is very open and casual (I am in a very happy relationship). If it meant something I would be tongue tied.

TatianaLarina · 12/11/2017 11:28

I’m English and middle class and wouldn’t be seen dead in Boden so Wine Wine

RockinHippy · 12/11/2017 12:22

Unapologetically place marking so I can catch up with the end of the thread when I get back from my Sunday lunch.

I’m guessing he’s on the spectrum too though, I’ve seen this sort of behaviour with old close Male friends. I used to feel like shaking some sense into them when they cried on my shoulder about unrequited love for a girl, when they missed every clue going that the girl liked them too - 🤞 for you, you both sound lovely

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 12/11/2017 13:14

This is my favourite thread ever, on MN.
Glitterball

Badbilly · 12/11/2017 13:53

A previous poster asked if their was any special days celebrated in your home country/culture.

I think this may be a good idea to pursue, because it means you have an "excuse" to either celebrate something together, or, maybe just make him some special foods that are associated with your countries/cultures special days. You can also use the "excuse" that you were making these (insert special food of your Country here) at the weekend and thought you might like one.

In that way, you are not exposing yourself to risk of embarrassment by asking him on a "date", but are getting one step closer.

I think that is the key, taking small steps, one at a time, so the relationship progresses naturally, and if you have misread the situation, you do not lose face at all, as you were just giving him a few small food items as gifts.

That will obviously not progress the relationship immediately, but could open opportunities such as inviting him over to your house, not on a date, and no baby-sitting issues, to eat the special meal that is always eaten on that date in your homeland. This could be in the day time on a Saturday or Sunday, so once again, would not be thought of as a "date", but just two people getting together to celebrate a common culture/country.

Badbilly · 12/11/2017 13:56

Oops-I see the thread as progress quite a bit-I misread it as having 22 posts not 22 PAGES.

Sorry!!!!

MeMeMeMe123 · 12/11/2017 17:50

Op have you ever shaken his hand? I tend to take my.client's lead and take a hand if offered.

However,

I'm mulling over a handshake I received on Fri from a guy I got on very well with in a work context. He offered his hand.. I took it. He squeezed firmly but not squashingly so, and it went on for quite a few seconds. He was funny but quite reserved, listened to my pov, paraphrasing to his business partner a few things I had said at different times..

Can't believe I am analyzing a handshake. Ffs. I'm 41!!!!

Must be due to the years of being ignored and unimportant. Overanalyzing a business handshake 🙄

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 18:26

No, no handshaking here. Grin How was it that you shook a well-known colleague's hand, Me? It would seem weirdly formal to me, but then I'm not much of a handshaker anyway. I can more easily imagine kissing my colleague than offering him a handshake though that's also my overheated imagination talking...

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MeMeMeMe123 · 12/11/2017 19:55

end of a meeting. hes a client. it was when he was leaving. we dont know eachother. sorry if previous message was jumbled.

just got a lovely vibe from him... i meet lots of people through work. lots and lots. none of whom have impacted me in this way...

Weird!

OP we need your overheated imagination to sustain us! Please do keep it up. Nothing on earth like a good kiss. They can stop time (i think i remember!!)

OohAahBird · 12/11/2017 20:13

Just read the whole thing in one go and had to comment as a fellow chalet school fan, you have cheered me up (sick in bed) and he sounds like my husband, in the end I got so fed up of him never making a move I outright asked him if he was going to kiss me (4th date that I instigated) he still blushes after 16yrs of marriage!

SammySays · 12/11/2017 20:20

Are your company offering a Christmas party? With a few drinks flowing you should get a better idea of his feelings. Good luck!

Tartyflette · 12/11/2017 20:32

If he lives an hour or so away from the Christmas party venue he might well consider booking into a nearby hotel for the night so he doesn't have to drive back afterwards and can have more than one glass of wine or something Just saying.....

MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 20:43

Are you single, Me? Is he? Will you see him again? Can you put the moves on a client? I always find it interesting how a relationship suddenly rattles over some kind of internal set of points, and you start realising you're attracted to them... I vaguely remember being introduced to my colleague when I first started this job, and not registering anything other than that we were from the same country and that he was nice. I didn't think I'd be shedding a stone and a half out of colleague-related perturbation, or be able to tell at once, in any room/corridor in a busy workplace, whether he's in it. Blush

Ooh, oh if life were like the Chalet School we would just hurl ourselves into the arms of the nearest medic, exclaiming 'Oh, X, what a solid lump of comfort you are!' And then there would be a chapter break, and we'd be suddenly engaged. Grin

Sammy, there is cue this thread smacking me on the wrist for ordering something from La Redoute Grin but he told me he wasn't going but according to the organiser now is. It's too late for me to cancel the La Redoute order, fashion fascists, but I can just return it immediately, now I know it was a false step!

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MortalEnemy · 12/11/2017 20:46

Tarty, Grin Grin Also, stark terror, obviously. Remind me how you do sex, someone?

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Mix56 · 12/11/2017 20:52

Oh La Redoute can be OK. Just try it on & see.

Just remember that Rumpled doesn't know you know he is coming...
You have to play surprised, & Delighted

OohAahBird · 12/11/2017 20:54

He has a SLOC badge that he was awarded by some fellow fans years ago 😀 after he let them all invade his house for a weekend.

OohAahBird · 12/11/2017 20:58

La redoute can be fine, my favourite wrap dress is from there!
If you like vintage cuts do not do lindy bop, look at vivien of holloway or house of foxy and i think seamstress of bloomsbury have wrap dresses as well.

As for the sex, just do what feels good

MeMeMeMe123 · 12/11/2017 22:15

I am yeah (divorcing) and he wasn't wearing a ring (I know that means nothing)
He was really listening and giving me my place which is not sthg I'm used to... hmmm he'll only be a client for a while thankfully.

I'll see him again in a couple of weeks so....will be interesting to see if I'm still intrigued by him. I cant tell if someone is flirting though so may watch some TED talks or read some books 😂

If nothing else it's a great distraction from the humdrum.

OldPony · 12/11/2017 23:01

Oh I'm so gutted I've missed the latest instalments of this thread! I'm so proud of you Mortal and all the lovely cyber friends.

-I have self harm scars too-

I need to know what you will be wearing?. If it was me, I'd wear leather leggings, even though the S&B forum say they look like Loose Women at the Xmas party! Fuck them! And a comfy top with heeled boots.

NewLove · 13/11/2017 12:57

Mum's net is such a crap forum tech wise - I HATE HATE HATE that it lists by date started instead of most recent post! I've rediscovered this thread after it had dropped off the bottom - page 13 and now on page 22!!

I'm so happy things are progressing - I've been in that situation and it's torturous! Me and my colleague even got to the stage where he invited me home and we'd sit and watch box sets and drink gin together. We were close enough that I'd sit with my toes up on the sofa under his legs to warm my feet. We were comfortable enough that he'd play with my hair - yet when nothing happened and I suggested taking it further I was firmly friend zoned :( I wondered for a few years if he was gay - he isn't as he's now engaged; he just didn't fancy me :(

So I have been living vicariously through you! I hope your outcome is better than mine

Mix56 · 13/11/2017 15:26

NewLove just click on "watch this thread " !

NewLove · 13/11/2017 16:02

NewLove just click on "watch this thread "

I had. It lists them in order of date posted not last updated and if it was a while ago they fall off the bottom of the page. The site is rubbish

Mix56 · 13/11/2017 16:33

I tend to agree !

QuitMoaning · 13/11/2017 17:18

NewLove my watching threads list is in latest posted order?

PaddingtonBearHardStare · 13/11/2017 19:14

NewLove mine is the same as yours, pleeeeeeaaaasssse can someone tell me how to fix it??! Cake